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First vaccine today through the local voluntary services organisation (I’m a volunteer delivery rider).
It was utterly impressive. Calm, organised distanced and a constant flow of people. You are not allowed to hug the nurses for obvious reasons but it was the first time I’ve felt a glimmer of hope for a while. The NHS is amazing.
If they carry on like this we can afford to be a bit more optimistic. No change in behaviour until we have many more vaccinated but there is a pathway to better times ahead now.
The EU seem to be throwing out the teddies over AZs supply issues.
Herd immunity from the start was always his aim.
I've said before that passive herd immunity (by that I mean acquired by natural infection) can no more be a policy than flooding can be a policy. It's what happens in the absence of human intervention. It's spin for no policy.
MrsMC had her first jab today (frontline social worker). Also reported an incredibly slick and efficient service 👍
@Mark, sorry to hear that mate, hoping you and your wife make a quick recovery.
That video. I find it utterly and totally depressing.
Covid has brought out the absolute best in so many.
The absolute worse in a significant, noisy minority.
My heart goes out to that doctor. What must he feel like at the end of any shift these days let alone having to put up with utter turds like that guy?
Times like that you want US hospital security ....
What do we think 'normal' will look like once/if everyone gets vaccinated x2?
I notice Whitty et al casually introduce the idea that vaccination may reduce severity and may or may not reduce transmission and therefore we may not get back to how it was.
Meanwhile the SAGA members are booking holidays.
27.01.21 Group 4 East Devon still no notification.
However Ms Sturgeon - who was briefed on the UK government proposals in advance - told her daily coronavirus briefing that a "comprehensive system of supervised quarantine" was required in the next stage of the pandemic.
"Our best route back to greater domestic normality right now, as we continue with the vaccine programme, is firstly to suppress the virus here to as low as level as possible - as we did over the summer - then give ourselves a better chance of controlling it through test and protect, and next by doing much more than we did last year to protect our borders."
But she said people "might not be able to go on holiday overseas" in order to "get domestic normality" back - including the reopening of schools and allowing people more interactions with loved ones
An actual strategy. If this had been done first time around there's a chance we all might be going about our business fairly normally right now (without overseas travel of course). I wonder how far she will get with persuading Boris. Difficult to make this work without UK-wide agreement unfortunately.
That was their strategy last year. But then the UK gov went “back to worK”, “save Pret”, “save Spoons”, “ween you off Furlough”, “no mixed learning”, “all kids on site every day”, “first years in hall”… and a keep low and contain plan for any nation of the UK was over.
I would like to know in what way preparation was considered for the 'second wave' last year once the 'first wave' had been dampened down. All this seems so inevitable now in hindsight with no significant herd immunity either through infection of vaccination in place. Did they just hope for the best without planning for the worst?
Depends who ‘they’ are. SAGE notes say they were calling for measures for months.
EDIT: September:
@mariner patience please!
They are genuinely going as fast as they can but there’s big variations nationally and partly down to where the vaccine has been delivered. It wouldn’t surprise me if Deliveries were partly targeted to areas with higher numbers - my parents are group 4 near Birmingham and were vaccinated last week but their areas case rate is about 5 times of Devon!
I’m North Devon and group 2 but was only vaccinated yesterday. All our sector of nhs healthcare teams up here Are being done this week but I know of colleagues in group 2 closer to you that haven’t had a offer to book a slot yet.
The whole process from invitation to jab is efficient and organised the teams administering the vaccine are clearly working as hard and fast as they safely can. Kudos to anyone involved on delivering it!
@mariner patience please!
Not panicking but just like to keep the powers that be on their toes.
Would hate to see headlines about targets being fully met while still waiting.
My 92 year old neighbour is also still waiting in fact apart from one 80 year old chancer who happened to be in the right place at the right time I don't know anyone who has had the vaccination yet.
@mariner last time I spoke to my granddad he told me that the 97 year old lady over the road had been to get her vax and the 30 minute queue freezing outside nearly killed her. Consequently he said he (86) and my Nana (96) would be best off staying put and asking someone to come to their house to do it. They'd been isolating for 10 months already and had been managing reasonably well.
Unfortunately it turned out that my Nana had picked up Covid whilst in hospital over xmas. Amazingly she's been asymptomatic, but my granddad picked it up from her and has been in hospital now for over a week. It sounds like he might pull through, but will have lasting damage. Given he was her full-time carer Nana's finally had to leave her home and go into a care home on the other side of the country, effectively locked in a room on her own with her dementia. Luckily she can manage to skype so we're all trying to keep her spirits up. I really don't know if she'll last long enough to see him again. A bit a shit way for things to end.
reeksy, that's terrible to read.
I truly hope your grandad pulls through and they do get to reunite again.
Fingers crossed for you reeksy (and Mark and everyone else)
Saw the ONS figures reported this morning - what is going on there? They always seem to be a dollar short and a day late, reporting a stable trend when we could all see rates rocketing before Xmas and now reporting a "shallow decline" when reported cases & Zoe data suggest a much bigger drop. In fact to the untrained eye it also looks like hospital admissions may now be declining too, so that'd put the peak of infections a couple of weeks ago.
Are the ONS actually delivering carefully worded reports that the media then mis-report, are their methods flawed (one for thecaptain and TiRed!), or are they actually right when everything else is wrong?
I was talking to the security team at a big local hospital (there for work),on tuesday. They said they've been really busy dealing with the covid nutters. The level of delusion and entitlement of some parts of our population is mind blowing.
at times like these, we need the B ark
Saw the ONS figures reported this morning – what is going on there?
which ONS page?
Could we just not let the asylum seekers out of the detention centres and replace them with these idiots harassing hospital staff and patients.
Sounds like a good deal to me.
I read on WalesOnline that a suspicious package was sent to a vaccine processing (pacakging I think) plant in north wales and the bomb disposal team had to come to diffuse it. It's not the most reliable news outlet but if true suggests militant anti-vaxxers???
Looking at the Welsh numbers we seem to be well onto the downward slope of hospital admissions (reducing for 6 weeks excluding a minor 1 week blip on for weke ending 10th jan (christmas?)); but still higher than the peak in the first wave. Deaths still seem constant or rising though.
uk wide deaths appear to be about turning the peak and following the reduction in infections
where are you looking for the welsh numbers?
edit: ignore me, its still early, missed 'walesonline'...!
Could we just not let the asylum seekers out of the detention centres and replace them with these idiots harassing hospital staff and patients.
Sounds like a good deal to me.
Apparently turning up at a hospital, abusing staff, claiming its all a hoax and then sharing it on social media is now a thing.
WTF is wrong with some people.
they're getting their 'news' from facebook, they're easily influenced, and scared, and now they're way down the rabbit hole and need deprogramming
there might not be anything fundamentally wrong with them, or might not have been before
@mrmonkfinger - WalesOnline was just that article re. the bomb. For numbers, I look at:
If you follow that link then thre are a bunch of tabs along the top and you can get deaths, hospital admissions etc and drill down into health boards and MSOAs
the react figures don't appear to match confirmed tests, wonder if it is the timeframe they are taken over that causes that
Zoe app says there are issues with the React data, whereas Zoe & ONS agree and tell a different story.
my other half is on the Novovax trial and was told at her appointment this week that interim results are due soon, if they show the vaccine to be effective the trial will be un-blinded and those on the placebo will be offered the vaccine, this should be in the next 4-6 weeks
This is a list of the vaccines in use or under development for use in the UK
https://www.gponline.com/covid-19-vaccines-lined-roll-out-nhs/article/1700217
The gsk Sanofi one isn't likely to be used anytime soon though as it showed limited immunogenicity. I think they are reformulating
My wife got her jag yesterday, the Pfizer one. She was very ill last night, very painful joints, nausea, weekness very flu-like and as a result is off work today. Seems to be an.uncommon reaction?
My wife got her jag yesterday, the Pfizer one. She was very ill last night, very painful joints, nausea, weekness very flu-like and as a result is off work today.
Same as Mrs Lunge with the AZ vaccine. Had a sore arm and felt ropey for 24 hours, was fine after that, though her HR was a tad high for another 24 hours after.
She was completely normal (well, as normal as Mrs Lunge ever is...!) 48 hours after.
Scotroutes - i was warned that this reaction is fairly common - flu like illness - when i got mine
Did i read that you are likely to have a worse reaction if yo have had covid?
Scotroutes – i was warned that this reaction is fairly common – flu like illness – when i got mine
Yeah, says 1 in 10 for many of the symptoms, 1 in 100 for some.
Did i read that you are likely to have a worse reaction if yo have had covid?
Intetesting. I'll look that up. Ta.
She's mostly annoyed that she could have chosen to have the jag at the start of her days-off cycle rather than the day before she starts her days-on.
Did i read that you are likely to have a worse reaction if yo have had covid?
Purely anecdotal as I said before, but this is certainly the case amongst the testing team my wife has been working with, 36 hours of minor flu like symptoms, not enough to put anyone off, certainly.
My wife got her jag yesterday, the Pfizer one. She was very ill last night, very painful joints, nausea, weekness very flu-like and as a result is off work today. Seems to be an.uncommon reaction?
one of the parents in our school circle had the jab (vulnerable elder child) and was in bed for a day with 'something like the flu'
uncommon but not that much so, I guess
scotroutes
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My wife got her jag yesterday, the Pfizer one. She was very ill last night, very painful joints, nausea, weekness very flu-like and as a result is off work today. Seems to be an.uncommon reaction?
I had similar about 24hrs after the vaccine: I went to bed, slept like a log and felt fine in the morning. Hopefully the symptoms will wear off equally quickly for your wife.
She’s mostly annoyed that she could have chosen to have the jag at the start of her days-off cycle rather than the day before she starts her days-on.
Surely you want to be ill on your days on not days off 😉
good on her for thinking like that in reality
I guess it has to be a reassurance that the vaccine is actually doing something though.
The reaction is your immune system going mental and attacking an invading item.
MrsMC was jabbed yesterday with the AZ vaccine - retired to bed early last night with flu like shivers and headache. Fine today apart from a very sore arm.
Are the ONS actually delivering carefully worded reports that the media then mis-report, are their methods flawed (one for thecaptain and TiRed!), or are they actually right when everything else is wrong?
ONS wont have an agenda, there role is to collect the data, and interpret it as accurately as they can.
Their methods are better than the daily testing numbers, but as you said, theres the delay in getting the data back, analysing it and then reporting it.
Not what you need in a fast moving pandemic.
This is one of the reasons lockdowns havent come soon enough, as they are looking at data which a couple of weeks old.
The daily cases number isnt perfect (far from it), but it does give data in a timely manor.
Look at at % of positive cases.
Back on the 4th Jan it was 14.9%, but its been falling fast down to 5.0% on the 25th Jan.
If that rate of decline continues there will be minimal cases by the time we get to the 8th March
scotroutes
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My wife got her jag yesterday, the Pfizer one. She was very ill last night, very painful joints, nausea, weekness very flu-like and as a result is off work today. Seems to be an.uncommon reaction?
My sister-in-law and my cousin have both had reactions to the Pfizer jab.
Not surprised regarding the Sister-in-law (42) - she has some issues and is often ill - however my cousin (33) is fit/healthy.
I'm happy to have the jab ASAP - a couple of days feeling ill looks better than COVID.
Thoughts on Boris doing a trip across the UK to do a hospital tour mid lockdown?
Feels a very poor choice to me - his role should surely be to demonstrate where the line is on essential travel and human to human contact regardless of any risk or otherwise. To me this social distanced moral booster political opinion booster falls well below that.
Underlines he's incapable of learning, doing the right thing or reading the room country