Who could've ever predicted that the government's version of the app wouldn't be as good as the Google one?
Does seem remarkable that we haven’t done this sooner , but it’s months late now, and many weeks behind what other countries have done, my mate & his gf were shocked when they flew back from New York in mid March when everyone from their flight got onto the picadily line to go home
I can see the logic. People coming in at the moment are coming into lockdown so less likely to spread CV.
As we are gradually released from lockdown the need to check people coming in increases.
Who could’ve ever predicted that the government’s version of the app wouldn’t be as good as the Google one?
Am I the only one that thinks its a bit too convenient that the much derided centralised app approach is suddenly 'creaking'. Sounds to me like they just had terrible take up and someone's decided to blame performance problems.
Apparently the Neil Ferguson model was not very good. Any of the IT bods on here have any comment on this.
I'm not putting too much faith in an anonymous author on a website called "lockdown sceptics".
Am I the only one that thinks its a bit too convenient that the much derided centralised app approach is suddenly ‘creaking’.
Probably. Uptake has been huge where it has being tested. The technical problems are bloody obvious to anyone who’s ever developed an app for iOS, or read anything by anyone who has as regards the problems facing the route they took. This is what happens when Cummings&Warner&Warner are left to make the decisions.
Hopefully the French will soon be alone in their approach. And then we can have some headlines in the UK papers about how foolish they are…
It’s both
Did you read the blog you pointed me to?
Although other factors probably contribute as well, the main reason we have a flu season may simply be that the influenza virus is happier in cold, dry weather and thus better able to invade our bodies
Danny Dorling in at 49 min
After all, who the **** gave the green light to this report?
BBC went spraytan decades ago. It’s all social meeja now.
We still have 5000 new cases diagnosed per day. What is the main vector for those? Govt scientists have said community transmission is low, so where is it happening?
Govt scientists have said community transmission is low, so where is it happening?
Being passed around within care homes
We still have 5000 new cases diagnosed per day. What is the main vector for those?
The fact we are finally testing people?
We walked to the local free mask pick up point this morning. There was a short queue for pedestrians and two long ones for cars. I'd forgotten just how disgusting a traffic jam of idling diesels smells. There are some things about confinement I'm going to miss.
Zero new cases locally for a while and zero new cases in 64 for a few days now.
Hope the case levels keep under control there Ed.
Locally the overwhelming majority are being sensible, still the odd 🛎 end around admittedly.
’m not putting too much faith in an anonymous author on a website called “lockdown sceptics”.
Despite the fact that the website is run by Toby Young, there is intelligent debate there beyond the headlines. The first call of being a scientist is to be sceptical. It’s given me a few pointers anyway (TSA was one).
The counter comments to that article were equally reasonable, about the use of academic programming to solve one problem, rather than professional coders writing to keep an airbus flying.
Echo chambers just give you echos. That said, I won’t be downloading the Daily Mail app any day soon! There are limits to my scepticism.
Something I've been wondering: death stats on worldometer for the UK have been falling, but new cases are mostly flat. Is this due to better testing and diagnosis?
I'd be intereted to see some recent intensive care survival rate stats, Molgrips. I noted the same for France about three weeks ago. Cases were still high but the death rate improved. At about the same time doctors were reporting success in managing intensive care patients with new protocols, particularly in patients with runaway immune responses.
We still have 5000 new cases diagnosed per day. What is the main vector for those? Govt scientists have said community transmission is low, so where is it happening?
Care homes and hospitals, community transmission is about 0.5, but 0.9 overall
(according to peston the other night )
If I read the Guardian I also try and read the Daily Mail. Both can have good journalism, but both can also be echo chambers full of opinion and biased frames of reference.
& while we are arguing whether a two hour ride is acceptable...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52587368
^ a 2hr ride isn't acceptable
https://twitter.com/MPSHackney/status/1259128381452533761?s=19
Honestly I give up. I don't blame people going out (so much) but those in power who didn't make hard and fast rules/laws
For all those in the park, half the forum have been taking the piss with bike rides for the duration of the lockdown
The government are spending 2 bn pounds on increasing cycling infrastructure.
a 2hr ride isn’t acceptable
Why?
half the forum have been taking the piss with bike rides for the duration of the lockdown
In what way?
Let's not derail this thread with the same arguments we've had on other threads please.
The Gov gave some signals a few days ago that the lockdown in the strict sense would end early next week, hence people have now decided that it's ended already.
R will surely go >1 soon and Covid isn't going anywhere. You won't catch me socialising.
It was never a strict lockdown and yes people have definitely decided it's being relaxed, accelerated by B & Q reopening and yesterday's jingoistic bellendery.
& while we are arguing whether a two hour ride is acceptable…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52587368/blockquote >And yet every time I’ve been out, I’m pretty much the youngest around (43 & 3/4).
The white women in their 50/60’s walking on opposite sides of the path chatting seems to be a particular favourite.
The white women
Whats the fact they're white got to do with it?
And how do you know they identified as women?
How many of us ever caught a regular cold from going out to the park or the beach on a sunny day, compared to being stuck in a stuffy office with a sneezing co-worker, or sitting next to someone sniffling away on the tube?
a 2hr ride isn’t acceptable
No, it's fine, if you are excercising responsibly and remain socially isolated.
Probably. Uptake has been huge where it has being tested. The technical problems are bloody obvious to anyone who’s ever developed an app for iOS, or read anything by anyone who has as regards the problems facing the route they took. This is what happens when Cummings&Warner&Warner are left to make the decisions.
IMHO the issues with using the Bluetooth in a way the os and hardware developers didn’t envisage so you’ll really need them to come up with something a bit innovative that doesn’t kill the battery.
There’s really not much to the nhsx app once you ditch the Bluetooth code.
The back ends google hosted so should be more than capable.
They’ve actually not done too bad with what they had to play with tbh.
Am I the only one that thinks its a bit too convenient that the much derided centralised app approach is suddenly ‘creaking’.
There's now 3 options for the presonal privacy sceptics - no app, apple/google app, cummings app.
Option 3 being eliminated leaves the apple/google version as the sensible middle ground.
People who were either too lazy or too stupid to find out the basic concepts of how the A/G app works - what data about you it collects etc - have now found out due to the multitude of articles and infographics on the subject.
It's Ok, Boris has it under control, he's rolling out a Covid alert system so we know how serious a threat it is. The same system worked so well for terrorism it erradicated it, oh wait, no it didnt make the slighest difference. Straight out of the Oh look a squirrel playbook.
Just read about that alert system.
What utter bollocks. Great way of making people complacent though if we are rated at "4 out of 5" etc. Makes the government look like it's doing something too I suppose.
Reeks of Cummings bs.
Really not sure where to post this, it’s connected to C19, to the 5G conspiracies, and to @AngryTinkerbel, as well as right-wing, QAnon ass-hattery in general, but bloody terrifying for what it says about modern society in general is what it is...
Hmmm, not sure why the link to the NY Times isn’t showing properly...
So after the mysterious "Frenchman tested positive in December despite no link to China" story, this one looks a little more possible, but can't be verified. No idea how common Wuhan-UK travel would have been at the end of last year, or we'd have been hearing more stories like this by now I'd have thought?
BBC News - Coronavirus doctor's diary: The strange case of the choir that coughed in January
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52589449
The mysterious Frenchman has a wife who had contact with Chinese working in a Sushi bar. The wife is thought to have been the asymptomatic carrier.
More worrying is teachers who caught the virus at a meeting to prepare the return to work having been in confinement for about 7 weeks. One of them had the virus after being confined to the family group for much longer than is needed to elimininate it according to all the theories presented.
Lord knows whay they had a physical meeting, at Madame's school with 1200 kids all the preparation was done by video conference.
You know, I’m not well educated about such things but I am hugely instinctive. For the last 24hrs my head’s been buzzing . I’m absolutely convinced something very unusual Is going on with this lead up to this announcement.
It’s beyond logical that the lemming like society like we now appear to be has been led to the flamboyant dismissal of Lockdown - both politically and in society. I find it strange to believe so many are so ignorant or so stupid, how can this be? Here we have a virus of which we’ve only just coped and 10’s of thousands have died and surely more to come, yet - in general - some people are parading around in a near normal state.
im not sure of the press with it’s isolated pockets of enhanced reporting about gatherings and street parties is to blame for my gut feelings. I’ve seen more traffic on the roads but also completely empty natural places of interest. People walk apart from one another covered with gloves and mask yet push past you in a small space. Transport is down and the environmental impact is decreasing temporarily, we are confined, yet we’re free to publish and be lead by utter BS in the media.
I’m not sure if I’m going stir crazy over what I’m being fed by the media, I’ve come to realise how stupid we all really are, or something else. I really wish - and it’s not beyond the wit of a semi intelligent person - we end up with a series of clearly defined rules for the next phase. However, by 8pm tonight I bet we are all puzzling over what it means when we wake up Monday.
Ah well, I’ll put the beer to chill...
Nudge, nudge, nudge…
Indeed - although more of a shove in this case. Jumping straight over amber.
Seems to be the usual leak fest this morning. BBC was reporting the government is going to have a five point virus status scale 1 Lowest - 5 Highest Threat. We are apparently at level 4 moving to level 3. That would appear to most people to be moving to the mid point. Perhaps an amber status - using the standard risk traffic light system. Yet we seem to have jumped over amber to green.
You have to wonder if it's design or incompetence to ignore the accepted scale. If it's design surely mixed messages / risks of going for green were flagged up at the design stage. Doesn't exactly help get out of the phoney war conspiracy zone with this one.
I think the message is reasonable with a little guidance as to what it means but the colour in the background projects a slightly different message.
Stay Alert for what, exactly? Some suspicious-looking pathogens sneaking up your road?
Control the virus? What, stick a jam jar over it and call for a doctor?
Nebulous, meaningless shite, purposely put out so the government can abdicate responsibility for its failure to suppress a second (and third) peak by its weak lockdown in our cities, and the lack of proper test and trace now. Everything can just be blamed on the public.
With every week that passes, I am becoming more convinced that the overall strategy was to control the epidemic only to the degree where it could still be blamed on someone else.
Yep, show common sense when looking out for those microbes. Duck, weave, blow hard and do a runner, Boris will show you
I counted over 100 people at the beach yesturday . Car park half full, large groups of people milling around or walking along the foreshore
No BBQ's ,but it was past 5pm. Have a feeling the 'important announcement' and media hype about lifting of restrictions has been taken as 'end of lockdown.-its safe to resume what you used to do' .
Silly thing to do this week imo. Another week and some better planning is needed.
One of them had the virus after being confined to the family group for much longer than is needed to elimininate it according to all the theories presented.
One anecdote is not data.
The teacher could have caught it from any surface or person outside the home, or while shopping. It can survive for a predicted two years in a domestic freezer, for example.
Even the dimmest person can see that social distancing hasn't taken place between kids - probably why it had such little effect - so a classroom might be, statistically, relatively safe compared to anywhere frequented by adults.
I don't hear doctors / nurses / paramedics / carers throwing a tantrum about going into work in the current circumstances. If you're not prepared to do it, you're not forced to. Perhaps being grateful that you have a publicly-funded job to go back to would be a better start.
