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I hadn’t realised the rampant trade in private testing. I read an article last week about Portsmouth FC testing it’s whole team - been happening loads apparently.
Drac
SubscriberMaybe if you’d not worked ,as per government advice and instead gone for your essential shopping during the day you would have found what you needed.Did my mum’s shopping today,plenty of stuff available and the supermarket had the fewest customers I have ever seen there.
How’s that work then as I didn’t get anything to eat until 9 hours into my 12 hour shift, should I have skipped that quick 15 minutes to go shopping. I know when I was planning to have my break and ended up consoling a member of staff for an hour who was heartbroken as they were having to leave their family for 2 weeks to live in isolation. I should have told them **** you pal I need bog roll.
Drac The poster works in a brewery from what I can gather,not quite the same as an emergency worker.
The govt need to really get a handle on giving a clear message. It's leading to situations where people are selectively picking up on what suits them. Just been on the phone to my mum who is obeying the rules but my dad is ignoring the rule to stay inside at all times for over 70's and vulnerable people (he's 80 and undergoing chemo) and all he hears is that it's ok to go for a walk once a day so this morning he took the dog for a walk to the newsagents to get the papers. He's adamant he'll do it again tomorrow.
Their lack of cohesion on official advice is genuinely going to kill people.
The govt need to really get a handle on giving a clear message. It’s leading to situations where people are selectively picking up on what suits them. Just been on the phone to my mum who is obeying the rules but my dad is ignoring the rule to stay inside at all times for over 70’s and vulnerable people (he’s 80 and undergoing chemo) and all he hears is that it’s ok to go for a walk once a day so this morning he took the dog for a walk to the newsagents to get the papers. He’s adamant he’ll do it again tomorrow.
Their lack of cohesion on official advice is genuinely going to kill people.
It really is very, very clear. How much clearer do you want it? A tattoo, perhaps?
A tattoo? No. Instructions about which workers should still be travelling to communal work places? Yes. Closing newsagents? Dunno, but you can’t expect people not to walk or drive to shops you allow to stay open.
A tattoo? No. Instructions about which workers should still be travelling to communal work places? Yes.
Different question, agreed confirmation is needed. But for the above, the rules are quite clear and if in doubt, don't go out.
It really is very, very clear. How much clearer do you want it? A tattoo, perhaps?
What the outside world thinks of Boris' actions.
Others deem it not to be clear or cohesive.
I thought the over 70s had been dropped from the cocooned group?
What the outside world thinks of Boris’ actions.
Others deem it not to be clear or cohesive.
Apologies if I sound flippant, that's not my intention - but the rules are quite clear although if folk decide to find a small loophole then more fool them - but that also affects everybody else.
Don't go out unless absolutely necessary.
Apologies if I sound flippant, that’s not my intention – but the rules are quite clear
But they are not clear
If they say no one goes out unless they are a key worker then there is a list of key workers and your employer will have informed you that you are a key worker ( which is in goverment websites)
Bojo has said essential workers and some employers are classing people as essential workers (who are clogging up trains/tubes in London) so there is no government definition of an essential worker = unclear advice
Plus a few on here have said the advice is not clear (to them) so then surely that makes it not clear?
I am quite scared to be honest, I dont want to die.
Correct me if I'm wrong but about 96% (subject to change of course) of those who contract Covid 19 in the UK recover without dying.
The entire 60 odd million population of the UK will not contract it, that hasn't happened anywhere including the worst affected nations.
Lets get a grip here!
I won't hold it against you GlennQuagmire, these are extraordinary times that none of us have ever contemplated happening here. Apart from the obvious trolls on here I'm giving everyone a lot of slack for what they type on here, a lot of people have no point of reference for what is happening to use as a basis for making informed decisions. It's that exact reason why we need clear rules defining how we conduct ourselves. This place has even helped me come to terms with what's happening right now so I can't expect everyone else to just figure it out on their own. Not having a pop at you whatsoever, more talking about us as a whole. We need each other to get through this intact.
Morning folks,
Open your windows and air your beds it's another day in the rabbit hole.
Get ready to marvel at how you could spend a day in and still wake up to washing up.
Are you Morris Dancing your way through the new rules of life towards an answer that sounds something like - The dog ate my home work. You're not really getting the rules of the game are you? It's still the only one in town - protect people, protect the NHS.
Take care and be kind.
The entire 60 odd million population of the UK will not contract it, that hasn’t happened anywhere including the worst affected nations.
Lets get a grip here!
Whilst that may be a correct statement, the pages above are testimony to people being idiots and not being able to listen to simple instruction.
No not everyone will die, but people WILL DIE UNNECESSARILY
FWIW my folks are referring to this
And don’t count the collection of daily newspapers as necessities, and although this has changed in the last few days, the attitudes of most of their family/friends/neighbours have shifted significantly as well. And people are staying in under pretty much all circumstances.
The dog is now exercised in the garden too, food that comes into the house is delivered, and selected on the basis of infection control. E.g. tinned food, or food that will be cooked with high frequency hand washing. I don’t think enough tinned options are available.
I suspect with my parents at least, this attitude is influenced by cancer/chemo treatment in the last couple of years.
The joke at present is that the front door is sealed with duct tape.
Apologies if I sound flippant, that’s not my intention – but the rules are quite clear
But they are not clear
They are - go to work if you cannot work from home unless your business is on the must-close list.
Not saying thats the right rule, but its the rule.
The problem stems from companies that can't accept their employees can be trusted to work from home or keep their employees safe through PPE and distancing. What happens then? Thats the lack of clarity.
The best countries at having dealt with CV19 haven't shut down. They have used testing, screening, sanitising and PPE effectively to deal with the issue. Taiwan, right next to china and with a population that travel to and fro constantly has barely skipped a beat. Next years bike supply is safe. Far east countries have this stuff pretty much down now since H1N1 Sars etc. Why our Govt. couldn't just cookie cutter their approach is beyond me.
I live in a market town and the market is being set up today as I write, i'm seething tbh tainted with despair.
These traders reside from all over the country, should I pop down and remonstrate or have a mooch I might get myself a bargain.
Might be worth a read
Claim of 86% of Chinese infection are undocumented And that 86% accounts for 79% of infections.
Back to the “it’s just a cold mate” thing, if they had any symptoms at all.
These traders reside from all over the country, should I pop down and remonstrate or have a mooch I might get myself a bargain.
If people stay away they will slope off. The council should move them on though.
Reasonably successful – early morning walk, observed someone else from a safe distance whilst out and about
Me too. Saw binners on Holcombe Hill and stayed well away from him. It's good advice all year round...
Just a PSA. Ocado is open/opening and when ordering you can elect food to donate to food banks - if you do they’ll double your contribution. Please try to do that if you can, even the smallest contribution helps someone.
Has anyone received a NHS letter ?
I'm on my GP's vulnerable list for flu vaccinations due to an auto-immune condition and had half expected a letter or text ??
Read that New Scientist piece. It's very worrying and why we need huge roll out of tests. For the last few days I've not felt 'quite right'. Slight chestiness, croak in my voice, dry scratchy eyes. But no cough or temperature. So not enough criteria to self isolate, but possibly infected.
Also, the Law Society advising that they envisage on/off lockdown for 2 years.
Thank you, and apologies once again if I came over as a bit of an arse, that really wasn't my intention. That's not like me at all - quite clearly all of this is having an effect on me. Like you say, it's unchartered water for all of us. Time for me to be more positive (well, I'll try to be!).
Looks like Guys and St Thomas's have helped develop a symptoms tracker app to help try and track the spread of the un-diagnosed cases
They'd like people to track even if they're feeling well at the moment
Our GP surgery has shut. They have 4 out of five doctors off sick.
They have been great at sending out texts, ASKING us to help ourselves.
The local tip has shut - Goodness knows what the next door neighbour will do with his 4 bags of weekly rubbish (yes 4 bags). Really hope they don't fly tip it.
Yes it's getting harder and harder for hubby and I to get through to our parents that they must stay in (except for a quick walk alone and not near anyone else), or have friends, neighbours and family round. Their excuses are not going down well with me.
at the risk of being flippant, could anyone with more time than sense overlay a graph of posts per day on this thread onto the CV19 graphs. I sense we've peaked for absolute posts, but argumentative / condescending ones are still growing. There's a lot of posts going un-noticed too, because they're saying what's already been said and no-one is paying any attention to them.
I'm worried though that this thread could ebb and flow for another 12-18 months, unless certain individuals start to observe a distancing policy - maybe only 1 post per 2 pages?
Here's something coronavirus related, but instead of being an utter LOOK AT ME **** and starting YET ANOTHER new thread I'll stick it in here 😉
Sky Sports users can pause their sub while there's no live sport on. Just in case you didn't know - just go to the MySky site and follow the covid blah link.
Their excuses are not going down well with me.
Hang in there Bunnyhop - I feel your pain. They do get it in the end.
In the experience of walking a mile in someone else's shoes, I now vague inkling of what it's like to have teenagers.
I live in a market town and the market is being set up today as I write, i’m seething tbh tainted with despair.
I'm not sure I understand how this is any different to a supermarket being stocked, staffed and opening.
If people are buying food from the market, that is food they would have otherwise bought from the supermarket.
chestercopperpot
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I am quite scared to be honest, I dont want to die.Correct me if I’m wrong but about 96%
More llke 99 to 99.5%. they seem fairly confident the mortality rate is about 0.5 to 1%. Don't use the official tested numbers to infer a mortality ate,
I work for a retirement home in France and from today all meals will be taken in the bedrooms.
It means those residents won't see anyone apart apart from 1 or 2 staff for the next 4 to 5 weeks.
Thought for the day....
You know what would be interesting to see is gov estimations on how much the measures in place have actually had an effect so far, ie like daily updates, society functioning at 90% first, 70, 50, 30% for example after each measure or this measure should see us at X%, then state we need to get this down to X%... Let the general public know how much more needs to be done.
2nd thought for the day..
Forty-nine percent of the UK construction industry’s workforce is officially self-employed – sort of – latest tax office numbers reveal.
A Freedom of Information request made by the Unite union to HM Revenue & Customs revealed that 1.12 million construction workers were paid via the Construction Industry Scheme (CIS) in 2017/18. This is a 4% increase on the figures for 2016/17.
Do you think that's maybe the reason sites are still open? They've not figured out the SE situation yet?
LOL why would they want to quantify it when vague waffle works so well.
stevextc
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Has anyone received a NHS letter ?
I’m on my GP’s vulnerable list for flu vaccinations due to an auto-immune condition and had half expected a letter or text ??
https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus-extremely-vulnerable
just watched Nick Crane eating a fish supper on the tv show Coast. i am now massively craving a chippy tea!!
ed. just checked, our local chippy is still open! - not that bothered now 😀
The last paragraph is especially alarming. Good job there's a sensible, intelligent, restrained, compassionate and astute decision maker in command of the US army.
stevextc
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Has anyone received a NHS letter ?
I’m on my GP’s vulnerable list for flu vaccinations due to an auto-immune condition and had half expected a letter or text ??
I have as I'm apparently high risk. There are groups within that - High, medium, low. It depends on your meds/conditions.
This link contains guidance and gives you the general gist of it. Seen similar for other conditions: https://www.crohnsandcolitis.org.uk/news/advice-for-people-with-crohns-and-colitis-self-isolation-social-distancing
I think i'm in a lower group based on the guidance above but I wont be going out to any enclosed public places like shops etc anyway. I'm also mid 30's and never really get any colds so must have some form of immune system so I'm not panicking. I think they've used it a bit bluntly, one size fits all etc so best to think about your situation.
Here's my take on the Oxford "study" for anyone that will have read the news this morning:
If it was here earlier, then where was the epidemic of Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) - a normally rare respiratory complication? I consider the analysis, (or most-likely the reporting of it) irresponisble in the extreme. In the exponential phase of an epidemic, the initial conditions play a huge role in the trajectory - on a log-scale this is the intercept, not the slope. A better analysis would be that we do not know, so more surveillance is needed to help us know.
To be honest, when all you have to analyse data is one tool that is a very simple model, it will be found wanting in the absence of data. These models are helpful in POLICY decisions, once things are known (e.g., influenza). They are also useful to show what we DO NOT know. Forget the 50% figure - what was the confidence limit on the headline prediction 5-95% of the population? or 47-52%? There is a HUGE difference.
The Imperial analysis paints a picture of what may happen. With sensitivity analysis about what we do not understand, it shows that spread is likely to overwhelm the health systems. That is clearly coming to pass in other like-countries. What makes us different?
Yes it’s getting harder and harder for hubby and I to get through to our parents that they must stay in... Their excuses are not going down well with me.
Having the same, my mother insists on going out to the shops, often by bus. She doesn’t need anything or seem to buy anything but she won’t stop and takes no notice of me. I have asked my brothers to get her grandchildren to nag her into stopping, hopefully this will bear fruit.
If half the country has already had it, why are the deaths and hospital still rising in the way that they are?
What makes us different?
Nothing, nada, squat, zip. Apart from a bumbling early response which will hurt us unnecessarily.
Weak request to "stay out pubs" made at a similar time in the progression to Italy's Lombardy lockdown. I would aasume similar adherence, here, lots of idiots getting down t'pub before the lock on the Big Boris Friday Bash, there, lots of Italians ignored the problem, see the Mayor of Milan, "Milan doesn't stop" 27/2.
Later, serious request, accompanied by legislation, at a similar time to Italy's country wide lockdown.
Similar growth in deaths, and confirmed cases, tracking closely, UK around 2/3 of the deaths at any point in the curve so far. All may change. The Great British Bank Holiday Weekend, where big crowds of idiots went to the same places to do their social distancing together, will have a negative effect, question is, how much.
Could very likely make the same comparisons with Spain and France, although France got in quicker with lockdown and Spain got in late.
[TL:DR] "Judge me not by my point estimate, but by my prediction interval".
Oh - there aren't any in the "paper". Is it 50% (5-97%) or 50% (47-55%)? There is a HUGE difference. Irresponsible.
Apparently an oxford uni study reckons up to 50% of the population may have already had/got it..
Can't see that being the case however it would be great news if true!