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Hi.

I'm going to need to use my PC for loads of FEA and 3D modelling in the next year or so. My CPU is a Core i7 920 at 2.66 or 4GHz. At 4 it's being pushed about as hard as can be expected of it 🙂

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Now I see this:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1426601/xeon-w3680-playing-around-trying-to-get-above-5-0ghz-tips-11-3-cb-score

Is there, by any chance, a geeky STW user who has or can find me a cheap CPU like that, a 6-core Westmere. The w3680 look like the sweetspot for this motherboard!

Cheers!


 
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Tried Ebay?


 
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Yeah man, they usually go for about £150. Seems like with older servers etc getting retired, I might find one much cheaper, if someone knows who is scrapping them or just was a nerd with a few old CPU's.

I was under the impression we all worked in IT 😉


 
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We do, but since the 'cloud' came along, we can't salvage kit from old physical servers any more 😉


 
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United we stand, divided by zero.


 
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I'm pretty sure someone on here has one.


 
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Late night geek bump? Where to get a 1366 Hexacore?


 
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How is your software licensing?
The Amazon EC2 Compute Optimized might be of use to us
http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/
We have been pushing demanding stuff up there recently. I can install what I want and run it all from Remote Desktop.


 
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Yeah, cheers for the tip.

I guess I can use that for the FEA, but for the modeling it would probably suck. I actually had this discussion with the network admins.

Thanks though 🙂

I've been looking at X3660s, can get one for about £80, but I'm still waiting on Gigabyte to get back and tell me if it will run in my [url= http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3103#ov ]motherboard[/url]. It's not listed as compatable, but the 980/990~x are, and they're the exact same hardware.

Fingers crossed.


 
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Whats the issue with the modelling? There are some GPU optimised options too?
We don't get the real benefit as all out stuff is single core but it does keep the temp in my office down and stops the electric meter spinning out of control.


 
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Hmm, well you know how those packages are about certified graphics.

I can't actually get that page to load, which is a little off-putting 😉

I'll check again in the morning.


 
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Fair enough if it's specific but there might be one out there for you, there is a lot of choice. I have a couple that I just turn on for testing big stuff then drop them again after a few hours, been cheaper than popping out and upping the RAM in my machine to 32gb so far.


 
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This one [i]should[/i] be compatible with your your board; I use two in my z800 workstation.

[url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Xeon-X5650-OEM-2-66GHz-Six-Core-SLBV3-Server-Processor-CPU-/271431971344?pt=UK_Computing_CPUs_Processors&hash=item3f329b3210 ]X5650 on ebay for £65[/url]

If you can't get what you need and have to get a cheap rendering rig running look for an 8 core AMD FX in the sales over the weekend. Many of the ASUS boards can even use unbuffered ECC memory if you need the extra stability.


 
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Cheers guys! Yeah, those 5650's are tempting. I assume it'll overclock to at least 4 as my 920 was rated for 2.66 and that hits 4.1.

I was looking at the 5680 which was much more expensive but may be good for 4.5/5, hence the question about picking one up cheap, but that shop has '50 and '60 chips bloody cheap, so I may yet change my mind.

BEB - just curious, like, but have you tried building a PC with one of the X56-- series and a domestic motherboard?

Thanks STW 🙂


 
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BEB - just curious, like, but have you tried building a PC with one of the X56-- series and a domestic motherboard?

Not yet, it would only be worth doing if it overclocked well else an AMD FX would yield a better performance/price ratio. These are the forums you need to look at:

[url= http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1820772&page=6 ]Overclocking x56XX[/url]

[url= http://www.overclock.net/t/1461359/official-xeon-x5660-x58-full-review-discussion-comparison-to-x79-high-end-cpus-and-xeon-l5639-benchmarks-inside-longest-post-ever/350 ]X5650 on X58[/url]

Unfortunately I can't overclock my X5650's but I can tell you that a quad core Sandybridge i7-2600 is better for everyday usage thanks to its higher IPC ratio and a haswell i5-4570 feels like lightning. (I have N+1 on computers as well as bikes) Just be careful you don't get so sucked in to overclocking an old chip that you should have just bought a new CPU and Motherboard!


 
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Cheers dude, that's all useful info.

Unfortunately, unless the Uni is going to give me a budget for a new machine, I'll struggle to spend more than £200 on this thing, all in. But that should net me a 5650/5660 and 12GB of RAM, which is probably enough.

I also have a 7970VapourX and a FirePro 5800; and an SSD, so I should be good for all modeling then 🙂

Let me know if you happen to have some low latency DDR 3 1600 RAM 😉

Also, what is the clockspeed of the two newer chips you mention? Because If I can get 4GHZ+ then I suspect I'll be feeling pretty snappy then, too.


 
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You might be able to get the X5650 running smoothly at 4GHz but you would need a decent cooler and you wouldn't know the history of the 2nd hand chip.

If you can stretch your budget of £200 slightly you could just about buy a brand new AMD FX8320 with a motherboard and cooler suitible for overclocking with some fast DDR3 RAM.

I used to have an FX8320 and it happily overclocked to 4 GHz without touching the core voltage on a motherboard with 8+2 Phases like the one listed:

[url= http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/4zmq7P ]Motherboard bundle[/url]

Reviewing results in Geekbench 3 an X5650 overclocked to 4GHz is faster in most tasks than an FX8320 at 4GHz but not massively so. Left at default speeds they are fairly similar.


 
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Also, what is the clockspeed of the two newer chips you mention? Because If I can get 4GHZ+ then I suspect I'll be feeling pretty snappy then, too.

The i5-4570 is 3.2Ghz with a 3.6Ghz turbo. The i7-2600 is 3.4GHz with a 3.8Ghz turbo.

Take a look at my Geekbench 3 profile and sort by multi-core score, you'll find results for most of my machines in there; [url= http://browser.primatelabs.com/user/68499 ]Geekbench 3 Browser Link[/url]


 
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Yeah man, they usually go for about £150

Minus what you'd get for your old one. Should get £30 for it if eBay is any judge.


 
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Reviewing results in Geekbench 3 an X5650 overclocked to 4GHz is faster in most tasks than an FX8320 at 4GHz but not massively so. Left at default speeds they are fairly similar.

I think I got that a bit wrong, you would need to overclock an AMD FX higher to match the multi-threaded score of an X56xx at 4GHz.

Oh, and sorry I've just checked, no spare desktop RAM, just a couple of laptop sticks. I did find a spare GTX 660Ti 2GB graphics card, a 2012 Mac Mini and spare 120GB SSD drive that I should have sold a few months back all gathering dust 😳


 
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I'm interested in the 660ti Bigeared, what make is it?


 
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I think I got that a bit wrong, you would need to overclock an AMD FX higher to match the multi-threaded score of an X56xx at 4GHz.

Sadly, for AMD, this is the case.

Hopes, for now, pinned on "[url= ]Captain Jack[/url]"


 
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BEB - thanks for all your help.

I think I'll probably wait until the scholarship money starts flowing in a few weeks and make my decision then. Looks like there's a fairly ready supply of these lower-end Xeons [I wasn't searching for the right model number previously]

Cougar: Seeing as the 920 has been lapped, it's probably worth [i]less[/i] than as stock. I'll keep it in case I manage to break the Xeon [not that I've blown a chip before].


 
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If I remember correctly the 1336 Xeons are the highest quality chips out of the batches hence the price. You will be looking to get the same clock speeds as with your 920 just with two more cores and it being an Xeons it is probably less likely to fail. I easily clocked my i7-950 to 4 but after that it was a pain in the arse. Those 1336 CPUs were the last Intel CPUs that were difficult to overclock but have massive potential, for example your 920 would bench pretty much to the same as my 950 if you got it to the same frequency. The newer ones are dead easy to overclock not much to them.


 
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On this subject anyone know where to get some cheap triple channel RAM? Why does this stuff cost the same amount now as it did 4 years ago?


 
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[url= http://browser.primatelabs.com/user/68499 ][/url] 😯 😯 😯 n+1


 
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On this subject anyone know where to get some cheap triple channel RAM? Why does this stuff cost the same amount now as it did 4 years ago?

If you need triple channel you just buy the sticks in threes. What you really need to know is it;

DDR3?
Speed?
ECC?
Unbuffered or buffered?

Workstations like my Z800 need DDR3 at 1333MHz buffered ECC. This can be found fairly cheap on ebay thanks to the number of servers and workstations being decommissioned were originally purchased between 2009-2011.

After reading up on overclocking socket 13636 Xeons I'm almost tempted to start another project since I don't rarely use both CPU's and all 48GB in my workstation - but I occasionally do so, no, none of you can have it 🙂


 
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Defintely DDR3 off the top of my head I think I have 1600 speed RAM at the moment. It looks like I can stick a couple of dual sticks in and it will operate them as dual channel.

This my motherboard

http://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/P6X58DE/


 
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6 x DIMM, Max. 24GB, DDR3 2000(O.C.)/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory
Triple Channel Memory Architecture

What's the question?

Also - you're replacing RAM that's in it already? What are you taking out and what are you putting in? If you're not actually short of memory for the work you do, going from 3 to 2 channels will slow the access down a little.


 
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I was thinking to keep the 3x2 already in 3 of the channels then add 2x4 that would operate as dual channel. The 6gb that I have at the moment isn't enough these days it is definitely a bottleneck.


 
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Can you do that?

From [url= http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1366/P6X58D-E/P6X58D-Premium-Memory-QVL.zip ]ASUS[/url]

6 Dimm :
• A*: Supports two (2) modules inserted into slot A1 and B1 as one pair of Dual-channel memory configuration
• B*: Supports three (3) modules inserted into the orange slots (A1, B1 and C1) as one set of Triple-channel memory configuration
• C*: Supports four (4) modules inserted into the orange slots (A1, B1 and C1) and the black slot A2 as one set of Triple-channel memory configuration
• D*: Supports six (6) modules inserted into both the orange slots and the black slots as two set of Triple-channel memory configuration.

OOH STEAM SALE!

*Downloads Mirror's Edge and Bioshock Infinite*


 
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I was thinking to keep the 3x2 already in 3 of the channels then add 2x4 that would operate as dual channel. The 6gb that I have at the moment isn't enough these days it is definitely a bottleneck.

I don't think that would work, safest approach would be to buy 3 x 4GB sticks which match the speed of the ones you already have (same vendor and latencies would be best). Then you should get 18GB; if the new and old memory are incompatible with each other (sometime happens) you will still have 12GB and you can sell your old memory.

Today is a good day to look for RAM. If you are lucky you might find a deal on a 4 x 4GB set that is cheaper than buying 3 x 4GB sticks separately.


 
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• C*: Supports four (4) modules inserted into the orange slots (A1, B1 and C1) and the black slot A2 as one set of Triple-channel memory configuration

If you find a 16GB set of 4x 4GB sticks it sounds like you could use them all as Triple Channel 😀


 
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OOH STEAM SALE!

*Downloads Mirror's Edge and Bioshock Infinite*

I just got all three BioShocks for less than £7. Now to find some spare time...


 
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Hmmppf - that should be a t=45

EDIT: NSFW


 
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Damn. I actually logged on to get this

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/11/goat-mmo-simulator-impressions-massively-moronic/

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but forgot and bought other stuff instead.


 
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Hmm so my mobo runs 4 dims as a triple?


 
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!!!! Mine Does !!!! I had never noticed.
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1 X5660 and 12GB of Crucial 1600 8-8-8-20 Ram ordered.

Fingers crossed for full compatibility!


 
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Completed Infinite on Hard. Still have a few bits to pick up, but got most of the main elements.

AWESOME.

Now need the 2 DLC's!

EDIT - nom nom nom gotta stuff my face with it 🙂
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[IMG] [/IMG]

Well, the CPU sure works at the stock speed alright!

I'll do the overclock when I have finished the work I have just taken on.


 
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What will you aim for?


 
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Up to 4.8GHz. 4.4 as a minimum, I hope.


 
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4.2 After one hour 🙂
[IMG] [/IMG]

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/4996968
That's a 41% boost to the physics score 🙂

Need to tighten a few timings, I think, but after my work and after I get that 12GB RAM set. [I will be selling 2x3GB of 1333 7/7/7/24 Crucial RAM shortly]

Goodnight!


 
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Not bad how long will you run prime for?


 
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When I think it's dialed, in I need to run it for 24 hours on each test to be 100% sure it's gonna be stable. And Memtest+ the same.

With the 920 at 4 it NEVER crashed. Took a lot of crashing and tinkering to get there though!


 
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http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5001380 [1600MHz RAM cpu locked at 3GHz]
vs
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5000813 [1066MHz RAM, CPU turbo enabled [1.6-3.2GHz]]

Forcing the ram to 1600 makes literally [i]no [/i]difference.


 
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Overclock in progress.

Have got BClock to 220 making Memory Controller/Caches run at 3520 [that +46%] using only 1.295VTT


 
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Yep - those were a little too easy, eh?

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The issue is the IMC - as other have found out.

that 4.2 ran fine for gaming - but show it Intel Burn Test and there was a lot of rebooting.

I'm currently running 4.0 with Uncore at 3200. VCore is now 1.312 [Might be able to reduce] and VTT is all the way up to 1.335 for that - which is scary-close to the "letting the magic smoke out" value of 1.35.

I am hoping that the VCC droop of about .035v is the same for the VTT! Oh well I do have that i7 in the box of spares.

Honestly, with this chip on this board, [i]at safe voltages [/i]it looks like 4.4 would be the limit, at a guess.

A little disappointing, but 4.4*6[+HT] is still scary-fast and should sustain the twin 970GTX's I'll buy when I have passed my MPhil.


 
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[url= http://www.overclock.net/t/1461359/official-xeon-x5660-x58-review-discussion-and-xeon-l5639-benchmarks-inside/2470#post_23344460 ]Link to the actual thread covering this process.[/url]


 
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so how many gears has it got, mister ?


 
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Funny you should ask that:

EX58-UD3R:
*Supports the newest Intel Core i7 processors in socket LGA1366 with QPI 6.4 GT/s
*Revolutionary energy saving design with DES Advanced
featuring hardware based [b]Dynamic 4-Gear switching[/b]
*Unique hardware control IC to provide more precision voltage control
*Patented DualBIOS with dual hardware BIOS protection
Home theater quality 8-channel High Definition Audio


 
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I've had a flick through the linked thread, it looks like you have had a lot more patience with it than I would have had 🙂

You might have lost on the silicon lottery with this one though. You also don't know the history of the chip, I think you said your mobo o/c your i7 ok so it probably isn't that but I suppose the 6 cores could be pulling enough to overheat the VRM's or some other component?

My Z800 workstation is now sat spare for the minute, if you are not far away you are welcome to extract and test the X5650's in there and swap if one is better.


 
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?!

Duuude.

I'm in Bradford.

Email in profile.


 
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Results from [url= http://www.overclock.net/t/1461359/official-xeon-x5660-x58-review-discussion-and-xeon-l5639-benchmarks-inside/2540#post_23368078 ]here[/url]

I can hold the following [HT ON IN ALL CASES]

190x21= 3990 [Uncore 16x =3040] /// Vcc About 1.30 under load [Vtt 1.315 in BIOS]
200x20= 4000 [Uncore 16x =3200] /// Vcc About 1.30 under load [Vtt 1.33v in BIOS]

Scores:
927: Cinebench R15 CPU at 4/3200
918: Cinebench R15 CPU at 4/2800

103.48: Cinebench R15 OpenGL at 4/3200
100.66: Cinebench R15 OpenGL at 4/2800

And a Firestrike Physics score of 13983

Temps stay about 71, max

I might be able to bench at 4.2, but I can't pass IBT, even Standard. Well, it passed a few, then gave an error. Ramping core voltage up several steps won't help at 4.2.

Also tried: CPU PLL to 1.5, Small bumps to IOH and QPI PLL and even a 50microsecond skew on the CPU clock. None allow me to reduce volts or go to higher frequencies on the Core.

I'm pretty happy at 4.0, but kinda disappointed/surprised with the clock speed, based on what others see with these chips. Maybe mine's just not as good as some. I'm certainly concerned about the 13degreeC spread in temps I'm seeing at 4.2/IBT. Yes, the cooler is seated OK.

I'll try Prime95 Blend for 8 hours tomorrow on the faster setting to ensure it's really really stable


 
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CPU is using about 150W, according to my UPS [load-idle=145W].

Oof.


 
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What's your cooling scheme for the entire system not just the CPU?

What fans are placed where and are they sucking air in or out, how are they controlled? Where's the PSU placed and what is it's fan doing? What CPU cooler with what fan(s) blowing in which direction also what paste are you using?


 
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Me?

Hang on //////


 
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Sorry mate - I'll get back asap, just broke the spare fishtank setting it up.

Bum.

Maybe an hour or so.


 
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Several things came up. I should be able to get back to you with useful info tomorrow.


 
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I'm thinking that a bit of tweaking on fans might get you some improvement on your CPU temp and possibly the motherboard/RAM.

As an example to get the best airflow in mine I run it with a negative internal air pressure, more exhaust fans than input, which makes for a dustier machine but it runs quieter and cooler that way. All of the case and CPU fans are PWM controlled via the motherboard and during normal use only the rear fan and CPU fans need to run at 600RPM to keep everything cool, flat out all of the fans don't need to run at more than 700RPM to keep everything in control. I've a 4770K running a 4.2Ghz which is 700Mhz over stock.

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^^^^ SOMEWHAT WRONG - CBA to fix. They're all 140mm apart from the REAR ONE=120mm
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What's your cooling scheme for the entire system not just the CPU?

What fans are placed where and are they sucking air in or out, how are they controlled? Where's the PSU placed and what is it's fan doing? What CPU cooler with what fan(s) blowing in which direction also what paste are you using?

Overall pressure is -ve. It was better with my 470GTX, which was a blower, the 7970 Vapour-X is a Recirc type, but it much much faster, so meh.

The only fan that is controlled is the CNPS-10X Extreme cooler fan, which is PWM with the 4-position fan controller built-in to the cooler. It can do something like 900-1200, 1000-1500 and 1200-2100 or Manual. With this Xeon I'm just using Low or High PWM modes.

Paste is Artic MX-4.

As you can see, the temps are OK. If I hit 72% of Intel's max temp when running a power virus for 8 hours, running 30% overclocked and 30% over volts I'm not worried!

I think the Chip itself is not well bonded to it's heat spreader, as I only used to have a 5C spread with the i7.

I'm considering buying another of these Zalman coolers, as my attempt at lapping it was a failure [ended up bowed, then fixed by hand but still about the same as before] But then, spending another £40 is a bit of a waste of time, as the hottest core is still cool enough. An unmolested cooler may help, or it may not. I guess I could always send it back if it made no difference.

The machine is really near silent unless it's benching, or if the 7970 is working hard. Max temp for the 7970 is about 63 when 114% power limit, 1180MHz. It's fans are quite annoying, but still less then the 470was! The massive floorstanding speakers tend to drown thee fans out, however.

The only things I'm thinking I should try are a new HSF and, perhaps turning it 90degrees, but I don't think I [i]need [/i]to do either really.

I do have to remove the rabbit fluff from the coolers and fans regurlary. The bit vents in the plexi-glass are liable to suck fluff in, and the mesh at the front has a foam sheet behind it, and a bit gap at the bottom of the front panel where fluff goes in, too. Design FAIL 😀

Any feedback then?


 
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Good thermal paste, lapping heatsinks really does depend on the heatsink/manufacturer some do some don't.

What might be worth a try is switching off that rear 120 as its competing/diverting the airflow from the heatsink fan and top fan. I found that I was getting a cooler overall setup with just the heatsink fans and rear on mine without using the top ones. Where I did find the top ones to be of use is when I'm hammering the CPU and GPU as a fair bit of air leaks around the GPU instead out of the back, so possibly switch on your rear fan in a similar scenario.

I found out all of this by using a FAN controller in one of the drive bays and trying various combinations and monitoring not only the CPU temp but all the other sensors on the motherboard. Also when I upgraded to a Asus Mobo it's Fan Expert software came to a similar conclusion.

Your current heatsink fan is not really drawing any air over your RAM so your suggestion of turning it 90 degrees might be worth a try if so then the rear fan will be of more use.

frostytech.com and silentpcreview.com are worth a read.

I'm using a Noctua NH-D14 which works great but its a beast of a heatsink so it needs a deep case.


 
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Alright mate, that's certainly an easy one to test out. If turning that fan off helps, I'll be chuffed, as that's the one that blows a cold draft across my desk!


 
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One other thing to do I notice you have your hard drives in the cages down at the bottom move them up out of the way of the fan, if they are SATA they are not likely to be needing a fan blowing on them all the time and will survive just fine in the other bays higher up. That way you can also remove the cages holding them and have a really good unimpeded cool air flow in to the bottom of the case from that fan.


 
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Ay up.
When I built this, there were two drives, one at the top and one at the bottom of the cage, most of the air went past towards the 470, and then out the back.

What you can't see in that pic, is there's now 5 drives, two of them are bodged in the upper 5" mounts, including the SSD. The three that are now in the lower are the three hotter ones [still very cool, as you suggest] and the top slot of the cage is written off due to hacksaw indecent [the 7970 is 1cm too long for the case!].

I'll try your fan trick, and I think I can push my voltages up a few more notches to Intels' max published [I'm on about 1.22Vcc and the max is 1.35].

Not that it's going to make any difference in real life, but just because I don't like being defeated, I'm going to bench this sucker at 4.4 or 4.6.

Just.

Because.


 
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Oh, and just for the record, I only lit the fans up for this pic, I'm not a fan of that at all!

I'm kinda wishing I'd bought two 5650s not one 5660. I suspect that I'd have a cooler/more even chip then. Probably hit a higher clock too.

When I planned this, I missed the voltages that people were hammering the chips with. Although mine is a hot/hungry chip, to hit 4.4+ are using 1.4 and for 4.8 they're using 1.5! Yikes.

I assumed more people were conservative with the voltages like I am.

What voltages are you running on the 4770K? Ram speeds and timings?

I´m curious.... try Cinebench R15 single and multithreaded on it 🙂

I think the performance of these Xeons is epic for the cash. I wish I had another few quid so I could bag another one and get a cooler chip. If I could run, say 4.4 or 4.6 at 1.2V like some of the others can It´d be utterly crushing performance, you can pick the 5650s up for 55 quid! Socket 1366 isn´t dead, oh no


 
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Ram is DDR1600 8-8-8-24 1.5v CPU is 4.3 across all cores with two or less able to run at 4.4 using multiplier only with a max of 1.248v.

CB R15 single is 172, multi is 864 with a max temp of 55C OpenGL is 155.23fps on a R9-280X


 
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I can see your logic, but stopping the rear fan adds 2-3 degrees to each core.

Luckily for me, turning the lights off doesn't 🙂

I can have 2-3.55GHz with all turbo functions at 1.22VCC/VTT

Temps <65 with the fans on near enough silent. 🙂 🙂


 
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Cinebench Single Processor score for this CPU is about 127 at 4GHz. Ratio 7.48. The newer chips are faster/thread, but when all cores working, this thing is a godsend for socket 1366.

As an aside - why the hell do you score 50FPS more in the OpenGL test?! We have the same GPU. There's something very funny about that test, I've seen lots of odd results over the years.

What do you get in 3DMark Firestrike? That's probably a more realistic indicator.


 
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Ah but I bet your GPU isn't running at an 1100 Core 1150 boost with memory at 6.4Ghz with a beast of a heatsink and three fans on it, that's the out of the box settings.


 
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Funny how we always check this thread the the exact same time.

You're right - it's [url= http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/product_index.aspx?pid=1679&lid=1 ]clocked [/url]higher! What's goin' on?

[IMG] [/IMG]

[It hold these clocks 100% of the time, BTW]

Something's up. Maybe the screen res?


 
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Mines the R9-280X Toxic Edition which will hold that 1150 boost all the time plus its got 2x8 Pin PCI power connectors to fuel it. No need to play with the powertune settings at all.

1920x1080 for screen res and the latest Catalyst drivers (non beta) off AMD earlier this week.

http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1&gid=3&sgid=1227&pid=2023&psn=&lid=1&leg=0

Are you sure its at that clock all the time and not throttling in some way as mine needs a hell of a lot more power to support those clocks.

I'll do some 3D Mark runs tomorrow and see what I get. I can also get the PSU software to do a pile of logging in the background on temps and power draws so I'll set that up too.


 
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That'll be a fun comparison. Do close all your background tasks, internet connection/antivirus and end explorer.exe to get a Firestrike score, though, that's what I do and it'd only be fair!

WRT Speeds - Afterburner reports 1180, or whatever I set it to. The graph does not fall or vary, apart from when starting/exiting gaming when it returns to 300MHz as the idle speed; so I'm, assuming the clocks hold. You can't be scoring 50% higher because of differences in the cards, surely? If mine's at stock clocks, that's circa 25% more computing power/RAM speed on yours. Something's fishy. I'm guessing we'll score pretty much the same for Firestrike, though it's the first time I've tested this card against another 7970. My geekbud down in Cornwall has a 970GTX on a 4GHz i7. [url= http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5387823 ]That [/url]scores a bit over 10,000 combined, though his Physics score is about 40% less [url= http://www.3dmark.com/fs/3699278 ]than for this Xeon[/url] at 4. Which makes sense, as it's much the same just I have 2 more cores 🙂 His card, however is a 2 year newer arch than this one, so it's to be expected. I'm going to get dual 970s as the last upgrade for this machine. Maybe next year.

I just joined BOINC?SETI@home again for the first time in years.

I have figures here for the throughput of 1GHz Apple G4/Intel Atom [old one]/I7 at 2.7 and the Xeon.

The Xeon is 9.4 times faster [i]per core[/i] than the 1GHz G4!

I want to bench the 7970 at SETI, but there's not work units coming through for it yet. These cards are about the fastest thing to hit a SETI WU, ever. Later models had their FP thoughput cut back - booooo.


 
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CB R15 OpenGL stock is 132

Firestrike stock 8055 overall with graphics at 9242 physics at 10588
with the CPU overclock its 8200, 9259 and 12299


 
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Haha, did you see my score? Literally the same! Well, that at least means nothing's broken etc, both machines are performing normally, ish.

Your card gets more points, the R9 respin of the 7970 seems a little tiny bit faster.

I shall investigate the clocks, I don't know how else to watch them apart from with something like Afterburner. I should be good for power, the PSU is 50A on the 12V rail and the voltges are always spot on when I look in Speedfan.

Tell you what, though, you have to agree, sticking a £90 CPU in this 4 year old machine has done wonders for it! It's toe to toe with a new machine again, and an overclocked one at that. I just wish I'd bough the X5650 for £60 as the extra multiplier didn't come in useful.

I never did manage >4.2 by the way. I 4.2 is stable, but the power required is too high. 4.4 will boot, but I can't pass a burn test, so seeing as it puts me over the volts allowed, I'll settle for 4. In the real world, it would make no difference.


 
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And the OpenGL test is bullox, it would seem.

Maybe its an architecture thing. I wonder if a high-end CAD application would see that difference?


 
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Here is the result of a little experimentation:
[total/GPU score - CPU = 14k]
4GHz - stock clocks [1050 I think] 7366/8228
4GHz - GPU/VRAM overclock [14%] 7996/9016
4GHz - GPU/VRAM overclock PLUS +20% powertune [14%] 7944/9019

[the 8200 score I posted is with a little extra GPU/VRAM clocks, but I haven't dialled it in and saved it. I think it was about + 17% clocks]

I think I'll leave the power setting at +0% from now on?!

Unclear what's going on. My card is 6+8pin with 75W PCIE - available power 300 W total (2×75 W + 1×150 W). Does it really need more?!

With the i7 at 4.1 I just hit 7200 in the past.


 
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