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AC-130 Spooky II with it's little old 105mm Howitzer poking out the left hand side.
Fat Albert gets all angry...!
I truly had no idea this thread would run like this!
Behind sootyandjim's YA-9A is a flying banana!
The ultimate Cold War bomber HAD to be the B36.
The first bomber with true inter-continental range without air-air refuelling - it used to be in the air for a day and a half!
First bomber capable of delivering a H bomb
6 Piston engines AND 4 jets
Carried its own fighters internally in one of its bomb bays or on its wingtips (OK, only in trials, but even so)
Retractable gun turrets
...and they flew one around the continental US fitted with a nuclear raactor for tests!
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Indeed it is.
Uber geek points if you can identify what this one is carrying.
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Great thread.
Proper early cold war bomber - the Convair B-36 Peacemaker
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6 turning and 4 burning!
Must have been quite a sight and sound.
...shame I got the image wrong, the cheats don't appear on the work system! Amazing plane, the book "Magnesium Overcast" is well worth a look if you can find a copy.
johnners you beat me to it!
the Convair B-36 Peacemaker
Who says Americans can't do irony, eh? 😉
amazing loving this thread,
when i was in school 8-9 years old my whole class started a "war club"
everyone drew pictures and added it to the file/folder
we used to take all the military books out of the library
after a while it got shut down by the teachers,
as it was deemed unhealthy 😥
this reminds me of the good old days,
the hind helicopter is one of my favs,
Took this while having a few cold ones after racing at Dartmouth Royal Regatta a couple of years ago. Our trimmer was ex-USAF - he loved it. The organisers ban all movement on the water during these displays - I'm not sure why exactly, but the bigger boats had ~80ft masts. 😯
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Nothing from the cold war beats this:
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OK so it's purely fictional and you had to 'think in Russian' in order to fly it, but if it was good enough for Client Eastwood.
On a serious note, my wife, who is a pilot, said that about 5 years ago she overheard a radio transmission from another plane while flying her 737 over Scotland. The transmission was a request from that plane to 'descend to 58-zero from 78-zero', which means, 78,000ft down to 58,000ft. To put that in context, a 737 typically flies at around 27,000ft and Concorde might have gone up to 55,000ft. What the **** was up at 78,000ft to begin with could only have been military.
Here's a plane that did go to war and kicked ar$e in the S. Atlantic.
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CaptainFlashheart - Memberthe Convair B-36 Peacemaker
Who says Americans can't do irony, eh? [:wink:]
Named after the Colt 45...
Me very first pistol was a cap and ball Colt
Shoots as fast as lightnin' but it loads a mite slow
It loads a mite slow, and soon I found out
It'll get you into trouble but it can't get you outSo about a year later I bought a Colt 45
Called a Peacemaker but I never knew why
Of the planes that officially exist, it could have only been a U-2 at 78,000 ft.
willard - MemberI remember being at Mildenhall airshow a good few years back and heard the tail end of a friendly discussion between an A-10 pilot and a Harrier pilot about which of the two planes was best.
They were mentioning the usual facts (A-10 can fly with one engine missing, one tail thingy missing, half of one wing missing etc, Harrier can do the whole V/STOL thing, hide under road bridges etc). Anyway, the argument got round to the Harrier's VIFF trick, to which the A-10 pilot said: "Yes, I can fly backwards. I just have to keep firing the Gatling".
Apparently the recoil stalls it at 3 seconds and the plane can go backwards at about 5 seconds.
That's a nice story, but it's sadly not true.
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Great thread!
SU-30 at an airshow, it actually briefly flies backwards at one point!
Jimmers - That version didn't officially go to the Falklands, though the basic airframe contained within may well have.
You'll be wanting one of these,
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On the high altitude thing apparently in the good old days an RAF Lightning taking part an exercise with the US 'bounced' a U2 at extremely high altitude from above! A purely ballistic flight path was used and only one pass was possible but it proved the U2's weren't completely safe from manned interceptors.
I stand corrected!
I read this book
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Sharkey (the author) said that they used to beat F-15s in mock dog fights during exercises like Red Flag because they could turn inside any of the large and more powerful fighters, a great aircraft IMO.
Sharkey Ward is widely considered an @rse, especially by those who had the misfortune of working directly with him.
A far better book on the exploits of Harriers in the Falklands is,
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Sitting near the end of the runway at Charleston AFB as 3 C-5s took off during Spring Break in '92 was quite impressive, noisy too.
As were the A-10s in '85 doing stuff up and down the Wye at about zero altitude.
Pook? I though he was a younger lad than that....! 😀
I know, I was quite confused too. Perhaps he had a face lift or something.
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Raf phantoms with another favourite, the Jaguar,
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And where they should have been left, in the days when we had proper carrier aviation.
Feel a bit of RAF/FAA rivalry going on there sooty. This isn't the PPrune forum you know.
Sonor - Its mainly WAFU personnel who have such a low opinion of Sharkey, seeing as its them who had to work with him.
I agree with you though about proper carriers. Their flight decks are well-suited to the kind of cocktail parties the RN excels at throwing.
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[url= http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1271-full.html#199354 ]The Squadrons Are Coming[/url] (RN flight deck ops, scroll down a bit).
The Phantom. Proof of the theory that if you gave a brick enough power, it would fly. A classic from VietNam though. Many an hour spent playing Flight of the Intruder on the old 386 at Uni...
Speakign of which, spare a thought for the role of the prop plane in that war. Anyone else remember the Skyraider?
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How about the Bronco?
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They have two of these at Duxford and, for some reason, I really quite like the design.
A few years ago during gulf war 2 I was riding in the Cotswolds when a B52 flew overhead at approx 6,000 feet with a full load of ordnance (JDAMs?) on its pylons. I guess it was off to Iraq to spread the good news.
Was proper scary - wish I'd had a camera.
The Squadrons Are Coming (RN flight deck ops, scroll down a bit).
I was looking for that link for my post.
I agree with you though about proper carriers. Their flight decks are well-suited to the kind of cocktail parties the RN excels at throwing.
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Actually, listening to the cockpit chatter on that clip reminds me of this:
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Not you're talking CFH.
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Me hooking up a load at Dungannon.
Sweet baby jesus and the orphans. I see the complete lack of style and taste in the 70s and 80s wasn't restricted to just music, fashion and buildings...
Some of those look as though they were designed by H J Simpson esq. Or the bloke what designed the new Edinburgh Royal Infirmary.
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Rotary action?
One word gentlemen... Huey.
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Sooty, you flew Wessexes? Ever done any SAR at all up at Valley?
I see your Huey and raise you Sea King:
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Flew! Hardly, I just filled the things with go juice and connected cr@p to them for onwards move.
And Lynx - my old boss bought one of these second hand, ran it as a pop-stars taxi for a few years until his business partner crashed it:
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If you are going to go the rotary route then it starts and finishes with the mighty wokka.
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Are you sure about that?
I took a fancy to the MH-53 Pave Low after reading "Clear and Present Danger". This should partially explain why...
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Willard - Whilst they do have a seriously purposeful look about them the bloody pilots (or perhaps flight planners) of the 21st SOS never seemed to understand the difference between Zulu time and local time. Hence those bloody noisy beasts passing over my block at RAF Stafford at silly o'clock in the morning being the notice I get that they've arrived early for that refuel I am supposed to be doing in an hour!
I've just realised after a bit of Wikipedia trawling that all the really cool helicopters and planes are either being retired, or have been retired from active service already. The Pave Low IV for example, flew its last mission in September last year. The F117 is out of service now and the writing must be on the wall for a lot of other good stuff.
Looking at the new crop of jets, they all seem a bit samey. As though they have lost all the flair and individuality that used to make airshows so much fun.
I guess all armed forces want these days is a nice clean robot to do it all.
Aircraft technology has matured, there is now an accepted (by the majority at least) way of 'doing things', hence many aircraft starting to look alike. This of course is helped no end by there being far less individual companies making aircraft these days.
I'm currently workiing on Staffs University campus sootyandjim. I remember seeing the MH-53 very often, having lived most of my life in Stone. Still get a lot of Merlins, Lynx, Chinooks, etc at low level over the campus as they drop in to refuel..
I was quite disappointed to see that Tomcats were retired a year or so ago as well ... Top Gun is now officially out of date
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I remember My dad talking about gun sight pictures of U-2s taken by Lightnings back in the 70's. It was a pretty useful fighter for it's time. It would even give a F15 a run for it's money. He tells a tale of a pretty "sporty" one out in Germany that was well known to be a quick even for a Lightning, it could out accelerate 104's even low down. Scared the whatsits out of the Germans and Italians.
