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For chargers, I doubt it. I think enough range for a days work is more likely with charging taking place end of the working day.
Of all the problems to surmount I feel like this should be pretty far down the list.
And yet it's not and never has been. Your talking about needing more assets(vans)
Many courier trunk vehicles are 24/7 operation with 3 shifts of drivers keeping that thing moving. - some of them have long range fuel tanks even at that 600mile + range compared to the standard vans 300.... Based on parcel force vehicle specs.
Sounds like we will just have to get used to deliverys taking a day or 2 longer.,or we could have grouped storage nodes of like type equipment where users could travel too at their leisure and collect.....
Sounds like we will just have to get used to deliverys taking a day or 2 longer.,or we could have grouped storage nodes of like type equipment where users could travel too at their leisure and collect…..
sooooo... having eliminated the need for the personal vehicle (or the second household vehicle) because you commute by public transport, ebike, or virtually; and any large items and other things like the weekly shop are delivered to your door, we now need a vehicle to go to do my click and collect?
it’s a commercial operation. Downtime is a swear word.
exactly, you'll be paying 15-20% more labour for the same amount of delivery/working time, even if your van is doing 1 shift per day - so all other costs are about the same.
even more of an issue when we are talking constant use vehicles, more of them will be required.
I’m actually quite disappointed at the range to commercial EVs, looking around your lucky to get 200 out of a van.
This is the big issue for even small commercial electric vehicles. If you have a good range your payload disappears.
So how does Tesla do it? They seem to have a huge range and a battery pack that does not completely destroy either the boot of the passenger compartment. Is it really not possible that a Transporter/crafter could not do this?
Is it really not possible that a Transporter/crafter could not do this?
Well yes. Teslas are very aero, and vans by their nature are not. The aero thing is arguably a bigger issue with EVs than ICEs, because whilst with all vehicles the air resistance is much more at higher speeds, this is somewhat countered in ICEs by the fact that at lower speeds and particularly town driving they are less efficient. So the optimum is somewhere in the middle. With EVs this isn't the case so it's basically all about the aero, and this is why vans are such a problem.
Having said that, comparing cars and vans in ICE and EV form gives similar results. A Model 3 sized efficient car might do 65mpg on a long run, a van might do 35.
sooooo… having eliminated the need for the personal vehicle (or the second household vehicle) because you commute by public transport, ebike, or virtually; and any large items and other things like the weekly shop are delivered to your door, we now need a vehicle to go to do my click and collect?
utopia has problems. who knew.
you’ll be paying 15-20% more labour
Is that cheaper or more expensive than 2 vans? Of course doesn't work for many use cases.
It's possible that the replaceable battery idea would work for commercial vehicles where it doesn't for cars. It does require more batteries to be made though.
So how does Tesla do it? They seem to have a huge range and a battery pack that does not completely destroy either the boot of the passenger compartment
a Model S for example weighs as much as my XLWB Van empty .
Seems they are subject to the same rules of physics as everyone else.
Oh you didn’t live in a rural location did you? The only bus was once a day after everyone was at work that returned well before work finished.
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Sorry, but you're so wrong it's just funny.
I grew up in rural North Wales. Going to a town to shop at Iceland and stock up the freezer was considered an adventure. Fruit and veg was bought off the back of a lorry (an old yellow British Telecom van to be precise).
Getting to school involved a "Taxi", which was actually an enterprising local farmer in a VW Passat cramming 6 kids in the back.
Tell me again how rural life nececitates a 6 car household 😂
Tell me again how rural life nececitates a 6 car household 😂
Well for one. Not breaking the law and putting kids safety at risk....
We used to be a 1 car family growing up. That was mum didn't even have a license.
It was pretty shit walking 3 miles in the pishing rain on a Saturday to go to the shops - hence I cycled everywhere come time - even with the best rose specs I'm not really fancying going back to having to walk to the shops and worse...back with the weeks shopping.
Well for one. Not breaking the law and putting kids safety at risk….
Blame the council for that one. Presumably he underbid a minibus or multiple licenced taxis.
The point wasn't about seatbelts anyway. It was a rebuttal that dealing with loweing GHG emissions would force us back to the 1950s when that clearly isn't the case when the 2+ car household wasn't a thing untill very recently.
Many courier trunk vehicles are 24/7 operation with 3 shifts of drivers keeping that thing moving. – some of them have long range fuel tanks even at that 600mile + range compared to the standard vans 300…. Based on parcel force vehicle specs.
some companies might be like this, but the average LCV travels 12,800 miles a year (source -> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/connect/small-business/operations-and-logistics/renault/how-many-miles-do-vans-clock-up/ ). assuming 240 working days for an owner/driver, that's 54 miles a day. I'm sure some companies are doing more, but with averages this low, range requirements in excess of 200 miles is the exception not the rule.
Dont doubt it, your average van is certainly not doing daily 500 mile round trips. Although that is a rather heavy handed advert and not what I'd use as a source.
The issue with an average like that is there will be plenty vans that do no miles or 5-10 a day like many sole traders skewing it or vans like mine that havnt moved between the last two Mots......that still fall into the lcv cat.
Not a great statistic.
commercial operators are desperate to move to EV vans and lorries! no bad press from tailpipe emissions and masisvely reduced running costs and servicing. The odd 20 min fast charge here and there whilst the driver has his lunch is no issue whatso ever if your cost per mile has just gone down by 75% !!!
The issue with an average like that is there will be plenty vans that do no miles or 5-10 a day like many sole traders skewing it or vans like mine that havnt moved between the last two Mots……that still fall into the lcv cat.
not denying this but even your average amazon\hermes van is well under 150 miles per day - the one in my village seems to stop every 5 doors, so there really isn't scope for massive milage on those either.
The odd 20 min fast charge here and there whilst the driver has his lunch is no issue whatso ever if your cost per mile has just gone down by 75% !!!
Good point.
We never used to see Amazon branded vans by us - now we do, and they are all electric. One would assume this isn't just done for PR reasons. They also don't have a noise generator on them so they are pretty scary at times.
Just to answer Molegrips & thisisnotaspoon
Rural Gloucestershire in 1984 yep I was the idiot with 2 cars just started working covering an area from Plymouth to Birmingham including south Wales previously a student with a 15mile commute did it on a bike a fair few times but not fun at all.
Sister at college 22 miles in the other direction, father mostly in Bristol 20 miles away, mother working at an adult training centre 18 miles in the opposite direction to him, grandfather with an old P4 Rover did about 200miles a year.
Just to put it into context all cars we owned were considered shitboxes by that time.
To the OP’s original question in the thread headline: in time they will become as curious as steam engines. Eventually an indulgence and hobby for fans and the wealthy.
I expect that is a long time away, it took us 100 years of them to get to now. Likely at least another 50 or so to put them behind us.
Well, if we lived in a genuine winter country like Sweden we probably would. But we dont.
I was in Oslo on the first day of winter (first snow), a few years back.
It was as chaotic as getting snow in any UK city - only needed one person without winter tyres and/or skills to bring it all to a halt.