Church and State are separate, unlike the US
While legally untrue, it's factually fairly close to the truth - the British state is a lot more atheist that the US one, you'd be hard pushed to find a senior politician banging on about his or her faith, while in the US the opposite is true...
There are two main reasons for keeping the monarchy: 1)it works*; and 2) President Blair (or Thatcher).
* it does work: despite a number of faults, it's stable, relatively free of corruption, not massively given to either oppression or populist gestures, etc.
you'd be hard pushed to find a senior politician banging on about his or her faith,
*cough* Tony Blair *cough*
philconsequence - Member
*is still waiting for my wholehearted applause*
Its the closest I could find Phil, but I'm not at all sure if the cat's paws aren't glued together...
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Im torn, I actually like tradition and appreciate the pomp and ceremony and the huge influx of tourism it brings. Plus the vast sums of money raised for charity and good causes by the royals.
Yet I cant argue with the logic behind the weirdness supporting an unchosen few..
I hate to agree with socialists though, so for now.. its extra bank holidays for me!
all socialists should be made to work on that day.
We should deffinately drop the national anthem though, its becoming very tedious and embarrassing at sporting events etc.
*cough* Tony Blair *cough*
Not until he was out of office, though.
I like having them around, its part of what makes us better than other countries!
Truth be told they cost us bugger all really, the civil list is granted in exchange for land the Royals handed over.
As for hereditary wealth, got no problem with it....I'd like to know that I can pass my home, savings and belongings to my children when I pass on, this should always be a right regardless of wealth.
I also like the layers of government in this country, a combination of MPs, Peers and the Royals generally ensure not too many collosal mistakes are made by one power wielding President or party.
Do you think the Russians had it any better under Stalin?
Which is something these anti-Royalist agitators conveniently like to forget.
Having a monarch as head of state guarantees that we will never have a communist government - that's a fact ........ a teacher at school once told me so.
And there is no better example of what a credit to the nation royalty are, than the Queen Mum, God rest her soul. She always had a smile for us during the Blitz. And it was that simple morale boosting act during our darkest hour, along with indefatigability of the proud British character of course, which guaranteed final victory. Gerry never stood a chance ...... what were they thinking ?
We salute you Ma'am ....
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If we got rid of the real Royal Family those bloody awful womens magazines would appoint the beckhams or some other losers in their place.
ps I bloody hate Tony Blair. Just imagine that sanctimonious ****er as president. Did I mention I really really hate Tony bloody Blair?
If we got rid of the real Royal Family those bloody awful womens magazines would appoint the beckhams or some other losers in their place.
Good point.......can you imagine how tedious hospital appointments would become ? 😐
BTW which is your favourite mag for the latest royalty gossip zippykona ?
Call me an old softy but I saw the Queen go past in her car and I was really excited.The hairs on my arms stand up when I hear God Save The Queen and I go just a little bit peculiar. Maybe I have been brain washed all my life, I just like her that's all.
And I still hate that lying scumbag Blair.
If any of you recruit staff do you limit your recruitment process to one person, perhaps the son of the person leaving for example?
If it's a family business, then yes.
In reality - monarchy or no, it makes very little difference.
The hairs on my arms stand up when I hear God Save The Queen and I go just a little bit peculiar.
I know that special feeling 🙂
It's not something which Johnny Foreigner will ever understand. It makes you realise how lucky we are 8)
Church and State are separate, unlike the USMy point was based upon money being the deciding vote in their political process,
TOP TIP:
Next time you want to blame money why not mention it in your point rather than a factual inaccuracies about something unrelated 🙄
you were wrong just admit it as that explanation does not make you look any better.
If it's a family business, then yes.In reality - monarchy or no, it makes very little difference.
one wonders why other nations bother with elections then after the first one for head of state ......any suggestions why they do this?
one wonders why other nations bother with elections then after the first one for head of state ......any suggestions why they do this?
Because they do it all wrong........foreigners always do. Like driving on the wrong side of the road.
i luve em.. cheaper than elections ever 4 years where we d end up with alternating boris johnson tony blair ego ists whod then demand a big pension.. much better to let old phil and liz soldier on ( how many other 85 yr olds travel never mind as much as they do.. good on em they could have cleared off 20 yrs ago and people would have said she was due a retirement but no shes stuck at it and certainly has my respect.
cut out the dead wood 3rd cousins etc and we re on our way
i think someone has taken over ernie's on-line persona.
Love the irony of using johnny foreigner and the Royal House of Saxe Coburg Gotha in the same sentence.
Because they are so popular, even in Aus and it gets under the rabid republicans skin. Hilarious!!
i would like to add weight to the gratitude we owe our marvelous royals for their selflessness during the blitz.
without their efforts we certainly would have ended up with a german as head of state. then where would we be ?
gawd bless 'em.
i think someone has taken over ernie's on-line persona.
your irony on here is not lost on us all ernie though i suspect some of your best work is lost on many.
any suggestions why they do this?
Er.. isn't it obvious?
They were often deposed in revolutions back at a time when the monarchy were actually ruling things.
Anyone have an example of a modern non-executive monarchy that just got wrapped up?
I'm sure they are lovely people and they do a lot for charity/tourism etc, but, when you've got millions on the bank and own some hefty property, you probably don't need me to help pay for your boat/holiday/DIY. Also, all that chosen by god guff, if you are gods chosen leader, why's the country so far up s**t creek then. Except harry, he seems like at least he's fun. but of a knob i'm sure, probably, but fair do's at least he works a bit.
Having people born to something is wrong, be it poverty or royalty if you cannot see that I pity you.
I like having a monarch as head of state because it represents continuity and is reasonably a-political. I do not want an elected president; we have enough politicians.
I don't care that they are rich by their own efforts, but it's the curtseying, the bowing and scraping, the entitlement to live in lavish state buildings, the tax money spend on the civil list and royal security.
They should pay rent on Bucks' palace, or move into a semi in Guildford!
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but, i read that Americans are not going to church anymore in anything like numbers they used to.
The Queen is OK I suppose, but I don't see why I should bow or curtsey or call her anything other than Liz or Mrs Windsor though, she's no different to my gran, I'd get rid of all the rest of them, all the hanger on and aunties and cousins
It's why Englishmen have knees; to get down on them before your betters.
It's a fairly Medieval way of thinking that may have served us well in days gone by but has, fortunately, run its course. The royal family are just part of the celeb roadshow, more tabloid fodder, more opium for the dim.
Pippa's arse notwithstanding...
Having people born to something is wrong
So will you leave your house to your kids when you die?
i'll probably work something out so that we they can avoid the inheritance tax.
because we have to pay tax.
The Queen pays tax on a voluntary basis from her private income, but not on "head of state expenditure". But she did not pay almost £20m of inheritance tax after the death of the Queen Mother: this, says the royal website, is primarily because "constitutional impartiality requires an appropriate degree of independence for the sovereign".
Junkyard, I'll admit to a slight error in phrasing, if you admit you secretly cherish a royal dalton mug of Charles and Diana's wedding, and you spent all of your pocket money on it. Now that it's worthless, your manifestation of anger and bitterness is aimed at royalists and all they stand for.
There there junkyard, it's ok.
molgrips you compared the head of state to a family business so why dont other nations do this instead of elections ?- you did not answer that question
AndyRT - MemberThe views on here are extreme, so i went from Monarchy to socialism
Well, no, you didn't- you went from monarchy to fascist dictatorship. Stalin was as much a socialist as Prince Charles is a republican.
Fair point.
But you get my point...
One of the best arguments against monarchy is the intelligence shown by those who support it...
... And Prince Charles, a total waste of food...
molgrips you compared the head of state to a family business so why dont other nations do this instead of elections ?- you did not answer that question
Yeah, I did. Republicanism arose through other events, so that's now what they have.
❓ I cant be arsed doing the dance with you
I wouldn't be too harsh on Charlie... People are partly a product of their environment, so it's no wonder he grew up weird. I think he makes an effort, he's just rubbish at it.
Members of the Monarchy aren't "employed" as staff into the Royal Family... they're born into it,
...and thereby hangs the tale doesn't it. So why do you reckon the passing of job from father to son stopped a good while back?
It hasn't. There's loads of family businesses that are perpetuated by siblings.
But the Monarchy is not a business, & being part of the Monarchy isn't a job. The stuff they do is just part of what's expected of you as a member of the family.
I'm neither pro- or anti- Royal. I remain indifferent. Couldn't give a monkeys really. Although there is some good history and what-not that we'd not have if the monarchy had never existed.
I get the impression that the main reason people grumble about the Royal's comes down to money. As if they'd all turn down that much money for (apparently) "not doing anything" 🙄
There's loads of family businesses that are perpetuated by siblings
Actually there aren't that many that get past 3 generations, the adage being that it takes one to build it, one to live off it and one to lose it. I think if you check it out you will find that is pretty often the case, although I would concede there are exceptions that prove the rule.
The stuff they do is just part of what's expected of you as a member of the family.
What behaving boorishly, feathering their own nest, breaking their own rules etc etc??
the main reason people grumble about the Royal's comes down to money
Actually you've got that back to front, its the main argument people come up with for retaining them, i.e. the tourist income blah blah blah.
The main people "grumble" about them is that they are an anachronism, which should have been consigned to history alongside such things as ducking stools, stocks, floggings and prima nocta. They are also the pinnicle of the class system, and as such we will never move past that thing which determines the vast majority of peoples life chances still to this day while they are still in place. Sorry to disagree, but financial issues are a minor distraction alongside those.
joao3v16 - MemberI get the impression that the main reason people grumble about the Royal's comes down to money.
Is that not a legitimate reason to grumble?
