[Closed] What crimes are acceptable?

Riding a bike with no brakes,

Selling a bike without a bell and reflectors.

No one must get hurt, now or in the future.

As buzz says.
It's almost impossible to go through life [i]without[/i] breaking some law that's been quietly introduced. With some 3-4000 every year, on top of existing legislation how can anyone keep track. They say ignorance is no excuse, but it's not feasible for non-legal people to know what's on the books.

Coveting thy neighbor's wife.

Bar ends with riser bars.

Enjoying the music of Enya.

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Anything drug related is fair game. What the **** its got to do with the authorities what i decide to shove up my nose, down my throat is beyond me

[i]Anything drug related is fair game.[/i]

Only if the corollary to this statement is the legalisation of supply... as opposed to [url= http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/03/mexicos_drug_war.html ]near-civil war.[/url]

The coke has to come from somewhere, innit?

Its the fact that its illegal that is the route of the whole problem.

Its completely unenforcable posturing by macho governments who go to increasingly stupid and expensive lengths to deny whats obviously happening in the real world

"An it harm none, do what ye will."

[i]Its completely unenforcable[/i]

I suspect the Polis would agree.

Spending hours reading Ton and TJ bitching at each other, it's got to be an eco crime if nothing else .

any crime beginning with the letter 'Y'.

and why will i never again be able to read a post here without assuming the poster has been sniffing glue prior to bashing the keys?

🙂

Binners if you believe your end use has no bearing porblems of drugs and organised crime then you are at best in denial. One more snowflake accepting no responsibility for the avalanche. I certainly don't believe the law is infalible, right or even sensible but I don't think you can claim any distance from the crime any more than someone buying ivory or protected birds eggs can claim to be just an innocent customer. I respect and understand the want / need to use but please have a think.

On a different tangent. I'm no lawyer but i believe it is a defence in court if you commit a crime in order to prevent a more serious one.

A while ago some women broke into a BAE systems facility and damaged some trainer aircraft to the tune of 6 figures. In court they argued that the planes were to be sold to indonesia where they would be refitted not as trainers but with weapons and used against civilians in East Timor. The judge listened to both sides and accepted that BAE knew fine that the jets would be used in that capacity and let the women go free. I may have the details a bit fuzzy but that's my version of events

Binners if you believe your end use has no bearing porblems of drugs and organised crime then you are at best in denial.

To put it another way: punching people in the face is both illegal (generally) and causes harm to others. If you made it illegal, it would still cause harm to others because it is inherently a harmful-to-others thing. I suspect Binners would argue that the same is not true for drug consumption...but I will leave it to him to confirm or deny.

Fair enough Kona, I completely agree. I hate the govenment legislating for my good. It's hypocritical, patronising and offensive. It's particularly patronising when you hear how the CIA controls the flow of stuff from Afganistan.

Binners if you want to grow your own and do what you want with it then I'm not your keeper and I'll support your right to do it legally whether i'd do it myself or not. It might makes you a more mellow, less troublesome member of society depending on what you're using. If that is the context of your remark then i'm sorry i misinterpreted. It's none of my business. Diffenert story if you are making / using ice and attacing nurses when you get brought into the local A&E. I live in a semi rural area prone to bush fire. A couple of months ago I nearly lost my house to a fire started when a drug lab blew up 2 km up the road.

My point is that you can't divorce the use of drugs sourced via organised crime from the effects of organised crime for the rest of us. I suspect most governments are at some level corrupt and involved in that organised crime.

My point is that you can't divorce the use of drugs sourced via organised crime from the effects of organised crime for the rest of us. I suspect most governments are at some level corrupt and involved in that organised crime.

binners said "Its the fact that its illegal that is the route of the whole problem.", I understand that to mean he's in favour of legalisation, which would remove most of the organised crime problem.

To the OP:
* Speeding on empty motorways
* Personal drug use
* Blasphemy and any offensive speech not calculated to incite violence.
* Street photography 🙂

3-4000 every year, on top of existing legislation

Say what now? Where's that figure been hauled up from?

File sharing as long as you buy stuff that you actually really like/use. 😛

Import duty evasion is seemingly quite acceptable on here. I suspect self-employed tax evasion is also fairly common.

don simon - Member
Read a couple of threads today, Ton and his glue sniffing, kingkongsfinger and his photo stealing and the anti car stuff with Zaskar and the almost incedent. The occasional appearance of the "my car will go faster than your car" threads, the how to avoid paying a speeding ticket/parking fine threads.

What do you consider is an acceptable law to break?

Anti car? no way just silly drivers/riders who nearly kill you. Mistakes happen but a careless death really gets me.

And no breaking the law is acceptable but its about getting caught and punishment for laws vary. Follow rules too closely and you'll get nowhere, break them very badly and you're nicked sonny.

johnners - Member

3-4000 every year, on top of existing legislation

Say what now? Where's that figure been hauled up from?

[url= http://www.cpl.law.cam.ac.uk/past_activities/the_rule_of_law_text_transcript.php ]

Given the legislative hyperactivity which appears to have become a permanent feature of our governance - in 2004, some 3500 pages of primary legislation; in 2003, nearly 9000 pages of statutory instruments - the sheer volume of current legislation raises serious problems of accessibility, despite the internet.

Octo-porn

My father always told me that 'it's not breaking the Law unless you get caught'

so....erm.... anything is fair game, just don't get caught! 😉

Anything that can harm you and not others is fair game IMO.

Peace out.

Seeing if your car can ever get to the magical 100mph on an empty motorway.
Wanting to harm somebody after reading TJ's droning.
Riding a motorbike without a helmet properly fastened onto your head.
Racing DH in lycra (not sure of this one as it's criminal 😉 ).

On a long hot summers evening soon....

ride your bike without a helmet or gloves. It feels like a return to the old days. Trust me.

Octo-porn

*waits for Superstar to bring out an 'Octoporn is not a crime' t-shirt

Remove the gangs and drug related crime by making it a regulated industry that pays taxes. There you go - most of the bad parts of drugs magically vanish, and the government gets a nice cut via the taxes too.

I've yet to hear of gang warfare in the highlands between whisky distillers...

hora +1

[i]What crimes are acceptable[/i]

Some of these?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_the_law

battering a burgler

hora, why wait for summer?

hunting with dogs will be fair game soon 😯

Based on my daughters experience this week, it's acceptable to grab someone by the throat and hit them in the face......

+1 Firestarter,
you enter my home without permision, you lose all your rights.

I think our new leader(s) might be on my side here too.

Going a "few" mph over the speed limit on open/empty roads?

Weeing in shoes

Owning with Bombers

Come on....

* Street photography

Despite what some PCSOs may think, this isn't illegal...

suprise sex?*

* so long as you shout 'suprise' first? right...???

Seeing if your car can ever get to the magical 100mph on an empty motorway.

Downloading movies or TV show which have already been shown on TV. Either I download it or record it. If I record it, how does anyone know?

firestarter - Member

battering a burgler

Never seen the attraction of drugs myself...

Octopron? Live or dead?

highclimber - Member

My father always told me that 'it's not breaking the Law unless you get caught'

so....erm.... anything is fair game, just don't get caught!

And doesn't hurt anyone. 😆

Apparently there are lots of things that are permitted but shouldn't be:
Big Brother.
Any reality TV show.
Chris Moyles to namea few. 😉

theflatboy - how many of those are crimes?

D'oh!

Kicking Tim Westwood to death, repeatedly, kicking him to death just once may not be enough.

War crimes*

*If your on the winning side

Crimes against fashion.

MSP - Member
Kicking Tim Westwood to death, repeatedly, kicking him to death just once may not be enough.

LOL, agreed, he has also been shot once and that wasnt enough! kicking would also let out alot more rage!

beating Morrisey to death with Tim Westwoods repeatedly kicked to death, dead body

LOL, there's plenty of crimes on here I agree with. Breaking the limit at night on empty roads, beating Tim Westwood to death with Chris Moyles dead body, (or is it the other way round), to which I'd add the annoying prat who presents that Iron Chef programme: nothing would give me greater pleasure than to have the camera cut back to show him lying with a dozen or so chef's knives sticking out of him. There are some crimes that should be met with instant incarceration, like tucking trakky bottoms into white socks, putting bar ends on riser bars, saying 'izzit?', using 'In da house' in a non-ironic fashion.

Personally not a fan of speed limits but always stay within 10-20mph. The most important thing is safe driving, not neccesarily speed.

Drug taking is not on. Of course it should be illegal. If it were legal I'd hope the NHS would charge stupendous amounts for any drug related treatment (as they should for smoking/obesity related illness).

Drug taking is not on. Of course it should be illegal. If it were legal I'd hope the NHS would charge stupendous amounts for any drug related treatment (as they should for smoking/obesity related illness).

Lets hope you never fall off your bike or anything. Self inflicted - make him pay for it!

What, precisely, do you know about 'drugs', other than what the Daily Mail tells you?

There's a difference between doing a sport that keeps you fit and healthy and taking something that's whole purpose is to mess you up inside.

And you can shove the daily mail up your hoop, I'm not a tory.

Bar ends with riser bars.

What's wrong with that? it gives you another position. Then again if you buy the right height stem you shouldn't need riser bars anyway

Anything drug related is fair game. What the **** its got to do with the authorities what i decide to shove up my nose, down my throat is beyond me .You can kill yourself for all I care but don't go to the Nhs for help,same goes for alcoholics and lung cancer sufferers brought on by smoking

There's a difference between doing a sport that keeps you fit and healthy and taking something that's whole purpose is to mess you up inside.

Smokers and drinkers pay for their eventual NHS treatment through the exorbitant taxes on their drugs. If 'drugs' were legalised and regulated, the same would apply. Are you taxed to that level on bike parts? Should you be? Wrapping yourself around a tree and vegetating yourself is hardly going to be cheap on the NHS, although in your case, it would result in one less judgemental idiot spouting rubbish on a topic they clearly have no comprehension of, so that might be a price worth paying.

Of course, everyone who so much as looks at some cannabis / MDMA / cocaine is the scum of the earth. Silly me 🙄

And you can shove the daily mail up your hoop, I'm not a tory.

Nope, you must be even less intelligent

Someone who used to be a good friend of mine did cannabis.

When I met him he was friendly, hard working and sociable. Over the year I worked with him his dependance on cannabis spiralled out of control. It started off as little things like being a bit late. Gradually he lost all control of his life. He ended up behind on his rent, missing work. Some days he'd come into work and cry all day. His work went to pot and he got disciplined a few times.

Eventually he hit his girlfriend with a pan. She hit him back. He ended up homeless, penniless and an emotional wreck. He was constantly ill and broke his arm while he was high. I lived abroad then and he had to pay for this, which obviously didn't help his situation.

I consider myself to be far more intelligent than this guy who's life was ruined by something people want legalized.

That's what I know about drugs. It's not from the daily mail, it's from the real world.

And like I say, there's a difference between taking drugs that ruin your mind and doing a sport that keeps you healthy and more likely than not out of hospital more than a normal person.

😆

Oh dear the ever classic debate about whether drugs should be legalised or allowed!!

there's a difference between right/wrong and legal/illegal. Is stealing from a supermarket that treats its staff like crap and puts bleach on food in the bin so no homeless person eats it... probably not but its illegal. is it wrong to cheat the national economy of the taxes you should pay by off shoaring your money to the cayman islands ...definately, but it is legal.

use your intelligence.

I consider myself to be far more intelligent than this guy who's life was ruined by something people want legalized.

1/3rd of the adult population has at some point tried cannabis. I can see them everywhere, hooked on the stuff. 🙄

Just because a few out of the many responsible drug users over do it doesn't mean that they should be banned. Look at just how many people are addicted to the far worse legal drugs.

To turn the flimsy analogy back to cycling, mountain biking is a risky sport. You could be just as fit and healthy walking. Riding into a tree could ruin your mind, you selfishly choose to carry on riding knowing that's a slight risk. You could just get out and enjoy the countryside on foot and remain just as healthy.

The converse to your experience is one of my colleagues at university. He's probably one of the most intelligent people I know, and is a regular recreational drug user. Yet he still holds down a good relationship, social life, and a very high pressure job. He also rides and walks, and ice climbs. Obviously it's the drugs that'll get him though...

im a little bit pissed and new to this forum so am going to start a mirror thread, what crimes are totally unacceptable?

going to bed and forgetting to turn out the hall light.

Someone who used to be a good friend of mine did cannabis.

When I met him he was friendly, hard working and sociable. Over the year I worked with him his dependance on cannabis spiralled out of control. It started off as little things like being a bit late. Gradually he lost all control of his life. He ended up behind on his rent, missing work. Some days he'd come into work and cry all day. His work went to pot and he got disciplined a few times.

Eventually he hit his girlfriend with a pan. She hit him back. He ended up homeless, penniless and an emotional wreck. He was constantly ill and broke his arm while he was high. I lived abroad then and he had to pay for this, which obviously didn't help his situation.

I consider myself to be far more intelligent than this guy who's life was ruined by something people want legalized.

I don't use drugs and I believe that use of many and abuse of all can obviously have very serious and negative impact on users/abusers lives. But sometimes the prohibition ends up creating more problems than it's preventing - and this imho is the situation currently with cannabis prohibition.

But sometimes the prohibition ends up creating more problems than it's preventing - and this imho is the situation currently with cannabis prohibition.

There's validity in this argument. I had a discussion about this lastweek with a student. I'm sure that there are studied available, but for me one of the key factors for giving up smoking was the fact that I couldn't escape the smoke, in bars, restarants, shops, banks, train stations everywhere!! Disgusting! Equally the argument where the restriction of smoking reduces sales.

Cannabis if legalised would, IMO, lead to a quality standard being needed and the revenue stream going to the govt and not crime! These criminals would only go and find another source, so maybe it's better to let them make money from the relatively harmless cannabis!

Also as a digression, do you think that if alcohol and fags had to go through the same screening and testing as modern pharma drugs, they would get licences?