[Closed] Weight loss - 5.2kg in one week!

Why do you laugh at the idea of pre-breakfast training?

jota - I generally wake up hungry.. drink some strong black coffee then get on with it

If I'm going out on the bike, I just get up and go anywhere between 20 and 40 miles
If I'm running, I have a coffee as I need my bowels to move whilst I'm at home rather than 3 miles out 🙂

+1 on whats wrong with exercising before brekky?

i used to think it was a stooopid idea, but then i tried it and once i got past the first few days of 'ugh i feel tired and dont have enough energy for this!' stage it became a lot easier.

always wake up starving hungry, coffee calms that down a bit but the protein shake i drink after the gym or spinning goes down very well on the rest of the journey to work 🙂

Doesn't your stomach lining detect carbs and regulate appetite that way?

It does but it doesn't release PYY in the same amounts as when proteins and fats are consumed which is why you can still feel hungry despite filling yourself with high carb foods.

The exponents of paleo diet will themselves admit they are still finding there feet and what works for most will not work for all.

Several people, especially Robb Wolf, now talk about carb refeeding (meals containing tubers every so often during training blocks), especially in athletes whose demand for quick energy is very different from your average Joe.

Why do you laugh at the idea of pre-breakfast training?

It's all I can do to get to work before 10 as it is. Not a morning person.

what works for most will not work for all

Nice to have my experience acknowledged!

It may be something to do with naturally being very much a sprint athlete

Not a morning person.

Well get over yourself and get out, what have you done so far today?

serious question, how do you know if you're naturally a sprint athlete?

i feel i may be a natural sprint athlete too 🙂

It may be something to do with naturally being very much a sprint athlete

PMSL!!

I hate to say it but you have so many excuses that naturally you're destined to be a slightly overweight IT worker.

I would do everything I could to advise and support you but you seem like a lost cause.

one thing i've noticed about chubbsters and thinnys, is that their partners tend to be of similar proportions... i think its easier to stay thin if your partner makes an effort to stay thin, and its a lot easier to slip into unhealthy eating habits when your partner offers you puddingz as i well know

I hate to say it but you have so many excuses that naturally you're destined to be a slightly overweight IT worker.

FFS. IT IS AN OBSERVATION NOT AN EXCUSE!

Do you dispute the fact that people's physiology differs?

OI, ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT HOW WE KNOW IF WE'RE NATURAL SPRINT ATHLETES!!!!

i think i'm one too and i want to know how its defined or what the symptoms/general behaviours are DAMMIT!

No Molly I'm laughing at your claim that you're naturally a sprint athlete!

Naturally my body composition, height and weight statistics would make me a black premier league football player.

When you're up in Preston away from the family... how many hours of training are you doing a day?

HOW WE KNOW IF WE'RE NATURAL SPRINT ATHLETES!!!!

You get to the end of the street and congratulate yourself on a good workout, then head home for cake

I think I'm somewhere between sprint and endurance.

No Molly I'm laughing at your claim that you're naturally a sprint athlete!

Sprint athletes are better at sprinting, due to more type II muscle fibres than type I. Aka fast and slow twitch.

Skeletal muscle can thus be broken down into two broad categories: Type I and Type II. Type I fibers appear red due to the presence of the oxygen binding protein myoglobin. These fibers are suited for endurance and are slow to fatigue because they use oxidative metabolism to generate ATP. Type II fibers are white due to the absence of myoglobin and a reliance on glycolytic enzymes. These fibers are efficient for short bursts of speed and power and use both oxidative metabolism and anaerobic metabolism depending on the particular sub-type. These fibers are quicker to fatigue

Surely you know this?

When you're up in Preston away from the family... how many hours of training are you doing a day?

Most nights, and some days when cycling to and from the station.

You are NOT A ****ing ATHLETE!! FCOL man!!

How many HOURS are you doing??? Not how often! Jesus Christ it's like pulling teeth.

Molgrips- if you're interested in the science behind different ways of eating and listen to podcasts there are two on iTunes worth looking at, Abel James-the fat burning man and Robb Wolf-Paleo Solution.

Both are very science based, have interesting academic interviews and tend to focus on performance rather than weight loss.

Personally, I think diet should be about improving health and rather than being prescriptive the best rules to follow are

1. If it wasn't here 10000 years ago don't eat it
2. If it doesn't come from the earth or breath oxygen don't eat it
3. If it's advertised on TV don't eat it

Molgrips- if you're interested in the science behind different ways of eating and listen to podcasts there are two on iTunes worth looking at, Abel James-the fat burning man and Robb Wolf-Paleo Solution.

** He needs to get his arse out rather than spending hours looking for reasons why not to 😉

**with respect Ben

If it wasn't here 10000 years ago don't eat it

Good luck with that. Food has changed so much nothing we eat was around 10000 years ago in the form it is today.

Woolly Mammoth steaks FTW 😉

OI, ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT HOW WE KNOW IF WE'RE NATURAL SPRINT ATHLETES!!!!

Yeti are you objecting to my use of the word "athlete"? I was simply using it to mean someone who does sport.

LOL at the Sprint athlete!

How on earth can you dream of winning a race when you can't even get up in the morning? Presumably, as well as being a Sprint athlete and having a special response to carbs, you are also some kind of special body clock owner too?

You complain when people say eat less and move more, but you need to do exactly that. 🙂

Yeah, just a bit. I'm also objecting to the notion that being a natural sprint athlete is a reason for being fat!

How many hours of training are you doing a week?

You are wildly misinterpreting what I am saying. I am saying that being towards one extreme of the physiology spectrum means that one's body would behave differently to those placed more towards the middle. So it is not at all unreasonable to suggest that generic diet or training guidelines might be less appropriate than something more specific.

I might be doing 4 hours a week, I dunno. I am missing my weekly longer ride though. Why do you ask? Do you think hours spent exercising is an indicator of something?

I don't have a special body clock, I just have one that starts later. It is very common. It's why I do most of my training at 10pm. When doing more miles I used to get in from three hour rides at 1am. Does that make me lazy?

So it is not at all unreasonable to suggest that generic diet or training guidelines might be less appropriate than something more specific.

It's not but a generic one will still work and produce good results so whilst searching for the Holy Grail, just get out and ride your bike more or run, or do both

Molgrips, you're not special.

You don't have a special response to carbs, you eat too many biscuits and laze about in bed until 10 and don't do enough exercise to reach your goals.

All your dreams are achievable, but you need to have a word with yourself.

A generic one will work, will it? Wil it do what I need? Something like idiet perhaps? Do you thing I am spending time on Google INSTEAD of training thinking that will blocking will make ne faster than training?

You people have very odd ideas.

I might be doing 4 hours a week,

I don't think that's enough, I do about 20 for no other reason than to stay fit and healthy, 4 hours wouldn't do that I don't think

EDIT: I was a bit over-estimating the hours, that last 2 weeks I've done 16.5 and 16

A generic one will work, will it? Wil it do what I need?

Pretty much, yes

I'm not claiming to be special of course, but even if I were how would you know? You been doing muscle biopsies on me whilst I sleep?

Different muscle types utilise fatand and carbs differently, so I am told.

Molgrips, I spend 4 hours a week on the toilet!

When I was fell running, I was doing an hour a day running to work and back, then training 2 or 3 nights a week and racing at weekends, with a young family.

When I was road racing, I did 8 to 12 hours on my bike a week plus races.

I know you insist that everyone is different and that you need something special just for you, but cake + sloth = heavier than you could be.

So let's get this straight.

1) you think one diet works just fine for everyone
2) you don't believe in the efficacy of HIIT

That right?

You also don't read the diet threads I presume.

Crikey, do you think I think I do enough training?

I drafted out a longer post but my internet lost it...

Others are already saying what I typed.

It is recommended that we all do 30 mins of exercise a day on average... you're averaging 4-5 mins more than this.

Are you at such an extreme on the physiology spectrum that this will be enough to achieve your stated dreams?

You certainly don't need to start taking supplements for this level of activity when you have an ample store of energy around your midrift.

Have you considered that you struggle with the exersion levels because your simply not as fit as you think you are?

So let's get this straight.

1) you think one diet works just fine for everyone
2) you don't believe in the efficacy of HOOT

That right?

1) enough to give good results, yes
2) no idea what that is, I once did some work in Hooters in Vegas though

EDIT: Arr....... you changed HOOT for HIIT

I remember a conversation that a friend had with his Mum when we were kids.

"I'm not going to die" he said.

"Stop being stupid"

"Well I haven't died yet so I may just be unique"

Molgrips, I really don't want to be unpleasant or unkind to you, but reading through this thread seems to indicate that you feel somehow that you are different.

I think one diet is all most people in the world have. I think that suggesting that you respond differently while also admitting your desire and weakness for high GI food is a bit odd.

HIIT has it's place, but that place is not to convince people that they can get away with doing 4 hours a week while dreaming of winning races. 4 hours a week is not enough.

I'm more than 10 years older than you and do 2-3-4 hours a day when I get the chance, I use water, and don't eat for another 2 hours when I get in.

You are messing about molgrips, and time is ticking.

Commit to getting fit, commit to training to race, commit to eating a lot less than you do.

I like biscuits, sweets, crisps and chocolate.
I eat them regularly.
I'm heavier than I could be.
I'm happier than I should be. (according to most of the opinion on here)

Thats probably it now you've said it - 4 hours per week. Its not really alot thinking about it. Probably what an average joe in my office might do (e.g. footie a couple of nights per week and a couple of hour long jogging sessions)

I dont have any racing goals (or kids) or anything like that, last week I probably did about 12 hours on the bike without thinking much about it. Thats probably an average week. Granted it wasnt all highly intense but I was still riding my bike.

2) you don't believe in the efficacy of HIIT

Personally I think it's the emperors new clothes, just as MAF training is at the other end of the scale.

People will oft cite the research done that demonstrates how great it is. The conclusion drawn is that by reducing your training volume and increasing your intensity you can increase your speed.
But this isn't news.
Pretty much every traditional training method has worked on the principle of building up an aerobic base, then 8 weeks before the race season reducing the volume and increasing the intensity.
So the revelation that HIIT over an 8 week period increase speed isn't really a revelation.
What would be a revelation would be HITT over a 52 week period produces greater fitness than old school steady base + speed work.
But that doesn't appear to happen.
So sure if you've only got 1 hour to exercise a week it makes sense doing it at a higher intensity, than an low one, but again it's not really news.
HIIT tries to sell the dream that you can get fit without putting in the hours.
MAF tries to sell the dream that you can get fit without putting in the effort.
Beware of people selling dreams 🙂

What you lot think I am saying:

Waaah diets don't work on me I'm special boo hoo I train and everything it's just not fair

What I'm actually trying to say:

There is a range of physiology types, and what works really well for some doesn't work as well for others.

1) Four hours a week isn't my plan, it's what I actually manage to do. You're imagining that I am claiming it's all I need to do. I need to do considerably more, this is obvious.

2) You assume I can't stop eating cake and I somehow think this is okay. I've said I LIKE cake.

3) I've said if I don't supplement the iDiet with more simple carbs than it suggests, my training performance really suffers. I don't know why you would disagree with this. I'm not the only person on STW who has reported the same symptoms, and at least two people have said it flat out doesn't work for them at all.

4) I do have a sprinter's physiology, I'm better than the majority of people at sprinting. This makes me a minority amongst cyclists and recreational runners.

5) I suggest you read iDave's blog about his half iron man on 6-9 hours training a week.

Commit to getting fit, commit to training to race, commit to eating a lot less than you do.

6) If I don't eat enough, I can't train as hard. FACT.

If I don't eat enough, I can't train as hard. FACT.

I agree. But just train as hard as you can manage.

1. OK
2. We all LIKE cake
3. well do away with the magic beans and eat normal food
4. If you say so
5. Why would someone else's training plan interest me? I'm not training for anything anyway

You seem to be constantly looking for a quick fix - to all intents and purposes, there are none

Eeeeeh, lad...

I give up.

I don't think you know how hard it is to win races.

Molgrips - according to previous threads on here you eat a around kilo a week of highly refined sugar ( OK to be pedantic maltodextrin is not a sugar but acts as glucose) this is having untold effects on your glucose / insulin system and will be damaging your body.

this is why you crave sugar.