[Closed] Weight loss - 5.2kg in one week!

I read something interesting the other day that said your gut actually forms part of your nervous system and is much more complex than people had previously thought. So eating sugar is much like putting drugs directly into your brain - even more so than we originally thought.

The problem is, [b]I believe that[/b] my body currently needs the carbs to do the riding and running. It may be because I've trained it that way over the years, or it might be innate to my particular body type, but as previously noted [b]I believe that[/b] if I don't eat the fast carbs I can't ride for shite.

So I'm trying cutting out sugar altogether, [s]and having some bread or rice, or some maltodextrin[/s] coffee if I start to feel tired. I'll let you know how it goes. Seemed to work well last week then I fell off the wagon again at the weekend.

So you've found a story that supports your argument.

No, I found a story that I read and told you about.

I think you've decided that it's easier to fail and that you have the perfect excuse to justify the failure

If I ride a lot, my body definitely needs more carbs than can be supplied by eating beans and veg alone and the carb supplementation suggested in the iDiet. That's been proven by me many times. Why, I do not know.

A page ago I was beating myself up, now you think I am making excuses? I'm working on a solution to my problem.

Don't just try, frikkin' do it.

Do what? Starve myself? iDiet? What? Eat less?

If I ride a lot, my body definitely needs more carbs than can be supplied by eating beans and veg alone and the carb supplementation suggested in the iDiet

Do what? Starve myself? iDiet? What? Eat less?

[i]Do what? Starve myself? iDiet? What?[b] Eat less?[/b][/i]

your the one that wants to loose weight...

Edit: FWIW I agree with don and yeti Mol, you've set yourself a pretty big target, and now your realising that it's not as easy as you thought. Instaed of 75kg, why not 80kg?

Emsz do you think I've already tried eating less? Do you want me to explain what happened?

edited: sorry molly, probably uncalled for. But you know what? You've already decided that your special, that the rules that apply to everyone else don't work for you, cool, whatever.

I think you need to chill, and give up "training" and just ride your bike for fun, and give losing weight a priority ('cause you can't do both) keep to 1200 cal a day for a month (just have some balls!1) and see what happens?

If you want to get to your optimum weight then you either need to eat less or exercise more.

Try avoiding the sugar, but if you need the carbs then eat potatoes and/or brown rice.

Set yourself a training plan or something, then you'll know what you're doing, when and what to eat before and after.

I stopped eating sugar for about a week just to see if the idiet is all that. I must admit, I felt better for it (i think) but I enjoy eating shite food to much and I guess it pretty much ruins any social activity involving food or drink.

However, I guess if you want it badly then its worth doing? But is that not the start of an eating disorder - avoiding going out for beers or a pub dinner etc due to diet restrictions?

Good luck anyway.

I've not made any excuses. In fact I've been beating myself up, remember?

D'you think I'm thick or somethig? That it had not occurred to me to simply eat less?

I don't want to drag this out but you pepole are driving me round the bend making me out to be some kind of cake scoffing fridge raiding simpleton in denial looking to blame someone else.. Jesus.

Good luck anyway

Thanks

Emsz do you think I've already tried eating less? Do you want me to explain what happened?

I thought you'd read and understood the principles of the idave diet.

Yep. Do you remember me going through my experiences on the idiet on here?

Molly see my edit.

personally the more you go on, the more I think you've decided already that you "can't" loose weight, so there's no point, so you may as well have cake. I think you can, you just want cake more than you want to loose weight. hence all the handbags. you need to fix your head, not your food.

I won't say anymore.

I remember you trying to get fast carbs in at every opportunity as part of the training plan.
As an example I eat a vegatable omlette with chorizo for breakfast with 2X sagarless coffee, go for 100km ride eating 1 banana per hour followed by a lentil curry (or similar) and porridge or gram flour bread (or similar) for dinner. No [i]fast[/i] carbs, no energy depletion and no desire for sugars.
Beyond that go and have a word with GP and do some blood test and see if there is a medical reason for this anomoly. 😛

Yep. Do you remember me going through my experiences on the idiet on here?

My mate did the idave diet for a couple of weeks, I think he started the original thread.

It didnt work for him, he lost weight no doubt, but ended up bonking walking up Coniston Old Man.

So not sustainable for some people, especially if you are doing alot of exercise perhaps?

You've already decided that your special, that the rules that apply to everyone else don't work for you, cool, whatever

Why would it be so surprising if people's bodies were different? Compare someone such as yourself (ie small and light) with say, Venus Williams.. you're telling me there's nothing different going on inside there?

We're all different, and I'm definitely not the only one on here who has had to modify iDiet - some didn't lose any weight at all. I've experimented a lot and discovered what effects different things have on me.

you've decided already that you "can't" loose weight

Hah, I'm still fighting it, hence the above posts.

The only thing I was trying to show was that it's different for different people, and that it's easier for some to remain stick thin than others.

Anyway I'm still 8kg down from when I started, remember that.

Surely you're just underheight for your weight like me.
I have very short legs and according to my wife it could well be because I was undernourished during a crtical phase of my childhood.I blame Thatcher the milk snatcher.
And as for winning an MTB race,well I'm just planning on living and riding longer than anyone else.Success is easier when you're old,less competition and less peer pressure.

Anyway I'm still 8kg down from when I started, remember that.

The only thing I was trying to show was that it's different for different people, and that it's easier for some to remain stick thin than others.

Indeed, them's life's breaks.
Just as some people aren't best suited to the mental abstraction to be good at solving technical problems, others don't seem so well adapted to weight loss.
No idea what the answer is. Well I know the simple one, but that's not very useful 🙂

Just as some people aren't best suited to the mental abstraction to be good at solving technical problems

No, they're just stupid because they can't be bothered.

😉

No, they're just stupid because they can't be bothered.

emsz, did you really just suggest molly lives on 1200 calories a day? 🙄 What a perfect recipe for a month of misery, severely depleted muscle mass, ruined metabolism and eventual fat gain!

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my housemate plays rugby, he's 180cm tall, and weighs maybe 90kg, he needs to loose at least 5kg to get on the first team (he's been given a diet sheet, everything) he's on 1500cal a day. He has regular breakfast, sandwich for lunch and a regular dinner, NO snacks and trains pretty hard twice a week....

Molly & the cookie jar all over again, for the four hundredth time.

emsz, did you really just suggest molly lives on 1200 calories a day?

Wouldn't hurt anyone for a month - as emsz suggested
I wouldn't do it though 😀

But it would hurt and screw up your metabolism!

But it would hurt and screw up your metabolism!

I don't believe that

Serious question.
What would promote more fat storage?
1500 cals of high GI sugar rich foods
or 2500cals of low GI idavesque type foods.
My understanding being that the sugar promotes fat storage.

If I ride a lot...

This thread is almost too funny. Molly you do a great job of sending yourself up... fair play to you.

What would promote more fat storage?
1500 cals of high GI sugar rich foods
or 2500cals of low GI idavesque type foods.

Excess calories would promote fat storage.

Low GI or complex carbs (polysaccarides-many sugars) or High GI or simple carbs (single sugars) are both still sugar.

Low GI simply reduces insulin spikes and subsequent dips in blood sugar which lead to cravings in some.

If your excess calories come from simple or complex sugars, once your liver/muscles have stored all the glycogen they can then, yes, they will be converted to lipids and stored.

Mol, I'm not going to comment on the food stuff, but i will say from a training point of view, that to get better/win, the thing you need most of all, is the one thing you don't have: time (as philly pointed out) I'm now about 9 weeks into my coaching, i'm 1 point away from becoming cat 3 in my first season of racing and i'm closing the time gap between me and the winner, now down to about 5 seconds or so in a sprint finish. The one thing i'm 'giving up' for this is my free time...during the week its basically work, train for 1-3hours almost every night, dinner, bed and repeat. The weekends are racing/recovering or training. But that's ok for me as my bf does this too, i have no other committments and i want to win badly enough to give up my time. You have a family and young kids and clearly can't devote the same amount of time to training as i can. I would guess that if you wanted to win, it would involve some sacrificing some of your family time or training at anti social hours. I know a bloke who won lots of RRs during the 1st year his kid was born, as he had a v understanding wife but i know thats not for everyone. I would also guess that if you had more time to train, you'd lose more weight. How old are your kids, can you wait until they are older to focus on your training?

jota, any loss of muscle leads to a slower metabolism, reducing your BMR. This is why yoyo dieters get fatter and fatter over time.

Bagstard... if our case study stuck to 1200 calories of proteins and good fats, given the abundance of fat they're carrying, would they lose fat or muscle?

Yeti, the body burns whichever fuel is easiest to access.

In order of preference this is carbs>lipids>proteins.

As long as the person does some high intensity exercise to mobilise lipids from their stores then fat will be the predominant source of fuel.

don simon - Member
Serious question.
What would promote more fat storage?
1500 cals of high GI sugar rich foods
or 2500cals of low GI idavesque type foods.

as I understand it, high GI foods promote fat storage if you are either inactive or already obese - if you were active and normal you wouldn't put down fat on 1500 cals (unless maybe you took the whole 1500 cals of sugar in 1 or 2 hits), your body would preferentially use available sugar from food rather than breakdown fat/protein stores.

The "insulin thing" often quoted here is pretty much BS - simple amino acids (from protein digestion) also stimulate insulin production, so a high protein/low sugar intake doesn't really help (with respect to insulin levels) that much except in those who are metabolically "special".

"Trick" is, don't eat high GI except when you're using energy/energy depleted, and don't snack, on anything, irrespective of it's GI.

I'm sure I read that a person can't lose more than a kg of fat a week so what have I lost?

Not true. On 2 month bike tours I have averaged 250g weight loss per day. Possibly even more in the early part of the tours. I only weighed myself before and after but I needed to tighten my waistbelt more in the first half of the tours.

But as that involves riding a bike for between 5 and 8 hours a day it isn't repeatable in everyday life.

I would guess it also depends on your weight. A kg is a smaller fraction of a 16 or 17 stone person than it is of a 10 stone person obviously.

On tour I lose weight while eating what I want and having a couple of beers most nights. I eat far less cheese and chocolate/biscuits than I do at home and burn huge amounts of calories.

Thanks Ben. I knew that answer... but it's good to have it made clear to others.

TSY, I can't answer that exactly, but anything more than a couple of pounds a week and you will be losing muscle. Even with the right high protein diet bodybuilders will lose muscle cutting up for competition.
It is unavoidable, but that is the game they play.

An average person on a diet will not replace the muscle they lost and continue on their yoyo diet life with a lower bmr, leading to eventual weight gain. Hence why the scales only tell one side of the story, but people are obsessed with them.

I'm going to try and put a lid on all of this.

Calorie restriction will cause you to lose weight, though it may be short lived as it stimulates the release of Neuropeptide Y- this is effectively the hormone released during starvation which causes an increase in appetite and encourages reduced physical activity to save calories.

Diets where proportions of proteins/fats are higher release peptide YY from the gut, this is a hormone that increases the bodies sensitivity to Leptin and makes you feel fuller for longer.

The idave diet helps your body regulate appetite and in turn causes you to naturally consume less calories.

This hormone regulated reduction in intake stimulates the use of fat as a fuel source leading to the subsequent weight loss

I'm going to try and put a lid on all of this.

I'm going to try and put a lid on all of this.

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Not on my watch you don't. Coming along with your informative knowledge backed advice... Ban Him!

The "insulin thing" often quoted here is pretty much BS - simple amino acids (from protein digestion) also stimulate insulin production, so a high protein/low sugar intake doesn't really help (with respect to insulin levels) that much except in those who are metabolically "special".

Meat does stimulate insulin production, despite having low/no carbs, but not nearly as much as starchy or high GI foods. Have you read the insulin index paper that's been linked to on here several times? It lists experimentally derived insulin indices of different foods.

The idave diet helps your body regulate appetite and in turn causes you to naturally consume less calories.

Not for me*. If I only eat the veg/beans/meat I get massively hungry, and end up eating huge portions and getting too many calories to lose weight. And I still stay hungry.

Doesn't your stomach lining detect carbs and regulate appetite that way? I've found that after a big meal of beans I can have maybe one biscuit or a tea with one sugar, and I feel full immediately, so maybe that's got something to do with it.

* I don't wish to make excuses or claim to be special - that's just what I've experienced. No idea why, and it's frustrating.

Mol - I like to have some chocolate after I've eaten a meal too... I never feel satiated until I've had some Green & Blacks or some biscuits. Strong black coffee does also work.

Having worked out what doesn't work for you... what does?

Having worked out what doesn't work for you... what does?

Still working on that. But I think lots of carefully planned training makes more difference than anything else.

Hmmm... I think that training first thing in the morning before you've eaten might help you.

I also think that denying the after dinner snack won't kill us. Yeah I want a biscuit right now, I don't need one though. It won't impact on my exercise this evening not to have it.

I really do think you're over complicating this
Just get on and do more exercise and don't pig out or snack

I like to get out pre-breakfast for an hour or so, that way I don't lose the motivation as the day goes on.

EDIT - We seem to have the same idea TSY 🙂

jota - I generally wake up hungry.. drink some strong black coffee then get on with it. Anything from 3k swimming, 50k on the bike, 10k runs to gym based sprint triathlons. The only thing I never do pre breakfast is weights.

You can then have a massive breakfast of whatever you like that will be compliant with whichever 'diet' plan you subscribe too.

I think that training first thing in the morning before you've eaten might help you.

LOL!

I also think that denying the after dinner snack won't kill us.

I really don't have after dinner snacks except when the post meal hunger is too great.

The big issue for me is fuel for training. I think I am going to go back to supplements for post-ride, see how that goes.

Just get on and do more exercise and don't pig out or snack

As if I hadn't tried that!