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You were right. It is a Constellation.
I believe it is this one:
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Model no. BA 368.0847
Thanks for the hints. I was told it was a Seamaster.
heres plenty of edges too, thats for sure. heres some more pics of the lugs and bracelet:
Nice, it's got some heft to it! From head on it looks quite svelte; interesting to see the solidity behind that. And I'm a big fan of a display back!
That looks like it.
Just to muddy the waters, there were square seamasters, in gold, with integrated bracelets. They tended to have large cases, with the dial taking up more of the area of the case, narrower edge of the case.
From the picture I would say you e found the correct one, although I wouldn't say it 100% isn't a seamaster.
I have a couple of Constellations, a quartz day-date-dial with claws from 1992 and a f300 from 1972ish.
I'd love one of those ^^ though
Any recommendations for a 2482 ETA movement service? I have the movement, and im building a watch
There were a bunch of really nice square designs both seamaster and Constellation and Geneve. The seamasters were often built around the 1420 quartz calibre and the 1020 automatic.
In fact I'm sure I've seen picture of an omega that looked a lot like the one in your picture that had no medel name on the dial at all. It was based on the 1020 movement iirc, which was used in a lot of seamasters. So maybe the one in your picture is a seamaster from a 3rd party case builder.
As far as I know you'd know for certain by looking at the decoration on the caseback. That went with the series and I don't believe they ever deviated from that. Not 100% on that though.
Not having much luck in getting a BB58, I’ve not travelled too far, only local AD’s but just added to the waiting list. A new BB58 came out today, in Blue. Reasonably nice but not for me.
For anyone interested there’s a sale on at Ernest Young, some decent prices for Seiko Prospect.
Instead of the Black Bay this has piqued my interest.... https://zrc1904.ch/en/history/the-watch.html
I also went to the local Fraser Hart to discuss a Daytona or Sky Dweller, the waiting list is closed. Even offering to pay 50% deposit for the Daytona upfront didn’t get me onto the list.
Ah you'll get a BB58, while I've been quoted 3months - 1 year from my local AD's, in practice I hear that 3 months is nearer the mark. I got called about one yesterday, but told them I'd hang on for a blue. I put my name down with them just before lockdown. So unlike the Daytona et al, they are obtainable, you'll just have to be patient and or willing to drive for a couple hours.
Thanks Dakuan, I’ll travel further afield this weekend to get my name on a list with some other AD’s.
I had a feeling the Daytona would be difficult to get hold off, I’m not in a rush for it, my 50th present to myself. Still 18 months away, I presumed I’d be able to pay half now, get on a list and pay the rest when I was on top of the list. The shops are a bit strange at the moment as I had to discuss this with them from the foyer, they seemed to want to get rid of me as quick as possible. Same for the BB58, I asked if they had any instock, how frequently they get new stock etc, but they just appeared to want me to move on. Not even trying to get me to look at other watches they had.
i think lots of places are appointment only at the moment. Best to phone around and ask what the deal is
The Daytona is very very unlikely without a very very lengthy Rolex purchase history with one shop. Rolex position it as a gift or thank you to their special patrons. If you want one a lot then they are available from grey dealers but at a significant (huge) mark up.
The bb58 will come in a few months though I would think. I've seen plenty of reports of them in Windows although these are on the NATO or leather strap. My understanding is the bracelet version is a little harder to get but it does come.
Oh and the indifference to a customer at a Rolex ad may be nothing to do with the current situation. I found some quite reasonable, would offer a tea or coffee and were happy to talk watches, but I found some rude to be honest, my money clearly not wanted by them.
The purchasing patterns around hype watches (ie: Rolex sport models, Patek, etc) are so incredibly different these days.
If someone comes into a shop asking for a GMT/Daytona/Sub then they know what they want. You're never going to sell that customer something from Blancpain or some other brand by showing them other watches in stock.
You gotta remember you were also probably the 100th person that day (Even in lockdown) to ask them (in person, over the phone, email, etc) if they had a Daytona in stock.
Watches are really weird right now.
Personally I'd hold on, fads come and go and watches will have their day soon. Also pick an AD and tell them your story (50th Birthday etc) and keep that story alive by consistently popping in and checking up.
It's pretty dumb really what state its all in, by hey ho.
Neil if you see or hear of the BB58 on leather let me know.
Yeah understood about the Daytona. Had a feeling this was the case. Unfortunately our buying history is mainly with a non Rolex dealer, both the wife and myself have Rolex’s but purchased when we lived offshore. When I bought the Rolex’s we were given glasses of champagne and sat browsing for a good hour.
A couple of years ago my in-laws got burgled, a safe was ripped out of the floor that held a number of high value watches (non Rolex). One of my omegas was in the safe. The insurance company only gave us a voucher to use in a non Rolex shop, gutted as that value would have helped me get a Daytona!
There's a couple of new watches from Yema out this week, a modern take on a flieger and a vintage take on a diver. Both look pretty nice, the $700 Flygraf is possibly a bit small for my taste at 39mm but the $1100 Superman has a 39mm or 41mm option.
It looks like the 39mm versions share the same case across both models.
Flygraf looks good!
Lug length is a bit excessive on the Superman. Nice apart from that, and they appear good VFM, always a discount available!.
Got any links to them? Not obvious on the website.
I like the simplicity of this
I don't see them on the Yema site yet but they're on the various blogs:
The lugs are quite long but I don't think that strap helps, it looks good on a bracelet and presumably a normal thickness rubber dive strap.
Yema are currently doing a 15% discount across their site inc a second strap so def good value.
I like the Yema bezel-lock function, seems a useful idea to stop the bezel getting rotated. I can see why some divers don't like it, although others do, but for general timing duties it could work really well.
Woodster, will do. Where abouts are you and how far are you willing to go? I use tz-uk and there are often posts about bb58 and other hot watches in Windows, but could be Glasgow to London or elsewhere in the UK.
If anyone is after a Rolex Kermit then my local jewelers has one in the window. Looks in good condition and the price is not too silly.
Neil I joined that forum last week, not got access to the SC area yet. I live in the midlands near Milton Keynes, happy to travel to London or probably within 100 miles, Glasgow probably a bit far. Would end up cheaper getting from a grey dealer which I’m trying to avoid.
Cool, it's a good forum and the access restrictions to sales corner and the heroes and villains posts do add significantly to safe and painless transactions. I bought my Tudor pelagos from a long time member and sold my subC there with no trouble.
Keep an eye on watch talk, that's where you'll see PSA type heads up about bb58 or Rolex in ad windows. Also worth a wanted add, you can get to the wanted forum already I think. If I see a sales thread I'll point the seller at your wtb if I'm quick enough.
Go on lunge, what is the asking price for a Kermit currently?
Thanks to dakuan I am now the proud owner of a BB58. Hope the link works....had to drive down to Eastbourne from Bedfordshire to get it, but very much worth the trip. Thanks again dakuan....I also made sure the shop knew you helped so might help with your Blue, Ashley was the sales chap, saying all their quota of Blues are sold up to Jan. I had a look at one they had in the store awaiting collection, very nice indeed.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Gj3nt3kF9yj5fhb39
yay!
Looks immense! So glad you got it. Looks like i'll be waiting a year or so for a blue one...they are going for 4k on Chrono24 / Ebay
I know there are references to pilots watches in this thread but any favourites out there? I'm liking the look of Fortis and Steinhart at the moment.
Sinn for me
Just catching up here, I saw the two new Yema watches above a couple of weeks ago via a Flipboard post, and it’s great to see the company finally bringing out some really nice watches, with good clean lines and a quality in-house movement as well, after years in the tacky fashion-watch wilderness.
I was very taken with the Navygraf posted up a few pages back, but the price, even with the 15% discount was just a bit rich for me, but then I had a letter from HMRC last week, telling me I’d paid too much tax...
As my very first watch, bought with my own money was a Yema, and is fifty years old this year, well, I think it would be nice to close the circle, and it’s my birthday this month, so watch (!) this space.
pilots watches
Oris ProPilot?
I really like the Archimede GMT I posted a couple of pages back or the standard pilot with the 6 o'clock date. I actually emailed Archimede this week and got a really helpful reply from one of the company owners within 12hrs.
I'd also be tempted by the Hamilton Khaki Pilot Day Date.
But I'm still massively pleased with my Orient Flight Mk2 which was an absolute bargain. The textured dial looks great in the flesh and the signed NATO isn't actually green green but a really smart sage colour.
Just One More watch on YouTube did a favorable review on a German made Flieger last week.
I've seen a few Dekla reviews recently, seem good value and very configurable but the QC can be a bit hit and miss by the look of things - the rivets on the strap in that video are way off and I've seen macro photos of the hands which have a very irregular shape.
Edit - watchuseek photo of the hands. From L-R it's Laco, Stowa, Dekla.
Really like the Orient, particularly seeing the price!
the rivets on the strap in that video are way off
True, I noticed that and was surprised Jody didn't mention it. You would have thought they'd have selected one that was spot on quality wise to send for review.
Going through my dad's old watches and while I dont think there is anything of real value, just wanted some expertise on here with regard to the mechanical Sekondas and the Regency. Wondered if there was any value in them as restorable/spares? (they still wind and work although no idea about accuracy as yet)
The Casio is an AQ222 and I havn't tried to put a battery in it so no idea if it works but same question really, is it the sort of thing people are interested in or should I just bin the lot?
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Some watches here that could make your eyes bleed!
https://www.fratellowatches.com/10-watches-we-should-forget-about/
The top one of those watches would look nice on a new leather strap Bullet if it runs. Trendy retro design with the batton indices. No idea on worth I'm afraid.
is it the sort of thing people are interested in or should I just bin the lot?
I don't think there's any inherent value in them but you'd be daft to bin them - they all look like decent everyday watches I'd be happy to wear. The Casio is available new around the £25 mark with a few years worth of battery and a guarantee so you'd not expect much for that, and you might get £10 apiece for the others if you ebay them, £20 on a good day so maybe not worth the effort.
I've an old 70's Seiko that was my dad's, since he wore it all the time and was a clumsy DIY enthusiast it's battered TF and worth cock all. It'd be worth maybe £100 in perfect condition and with a following wind but even then I'd never sell it. No sentimental attachment to yours? If so maybe just hang on to them, it's not as if 4 watches take up much space.
@IvanDobski, where did you get that Orient Flight 2 from? I can't seem to find that model online and it looks lovely.
Another G-shock:
G-5600E
It's appreciably more compact than the GW-B5600 I posted in December, the dial is also far more legible, the strap even feels a tad more flexible/softer. The resin is definitely not the same colour though its a sort of Browny/purpleish grey...
A vast improvement (IMO) for about the same price, I might just flip the other square G, they still seem sought after on fleabay.
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@IvanDobski, where did you get that Orient Flight 2 from? I can’t seem to find that model online and it looks lovely.
I got it from Creation Watches but it was the last one they had. I'll have a look about and see if I can see any elsewhere and let you know.
I was a bit uncertain about the Flight 2 as the lower half of the dial is quite empty compared to the upper half and I thought it might look a bit unbalanced but the texture seems to resolve that really well.
Edit - Long Island Watches have stock but it says they don't ship to the UK. Prob worth contacting them though as I've definitely bought Orients from them before. Also, Serious Watches have stock but I've never dealt with those guys so don't know much about them.
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You've seen this before but....well...I've not worn it for a while...plus the strap is new. It's a seatbelt (was NATO) from georgesstraps which I (well..mum) turned into a two piece. it seems rather well suited.
putting it one again reminded me its a bit of monster this thing. I'm been wearing my PO and my Sumo and although the Pelagos is light, it is big! those slab sides...its not subtle is it.
Would anyone like a bit of a watch buying challenge?
Who can buy the best watch in, say 6 weeks. Post up pictures and we'll vote on the best somehow. Here's the kicker, to stop someone just trumping the game with a £10k Rolex, all the entries get randomly redistributed at the end of the competition, you don't keep what you bought.
New or second hand.
Digital or analogue.
Working and not completely trashed.
6 weeks gives time to find something in a charity shop or online and get posted I think without rushing into the first thing you see. Anyone want to join in?
something different
I found that yesterday in mum's garage while on the last leg of 'clear out the rest of dad's rubbish, tools and treasures'. I didn't hink much of it and shoved it in my pocket but a few hours later I noticed the back...
Could be a Kriegsmarine U-Boat Officers Torpedo Timer Stopwatch.
FFS, someone feed the hamsters! I'm having the issue where once I paste a photo I can't add any more text and have to submit my post, close the website and reenter!
Anyway....is that a Swastika? WTF? didn't think any more until I remembered it just now and googled 'german eagle symbol stop watch' and one of the first images returned is....
Now how on earth dad came to own a Kreigsmarine U-boat navigator's stop watch I have no idea! The detective work on this will be fun!
yes it runs perfectly. no I've not yet opened it up, yes the hands are intact despite the acrylic crystal having popped out, the dial is cracked though and has 2 holes punched in it at 22 secs and 53 seconds...the dial feet have done it I think. I assume it was dropped at some point. Odd though, as neither me, mum or my older brother remember anything about it, and I can't even see why dad had a stop watch unless it was related to his motorbike scrambling and trials hobby as a young man. Pure guess, but maybe it relates to that and since he did some army competitions while on national service,could that be where it came from? Detectives assemble!
mrsheen! well done!
do you know anything about them?
I'm a historian by education but just did a search of the letter numbers online.
This might be a good place to start albeit a different watch?:
https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/ww2-german-timer-u-jagd.31389/
Reddit thread too:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ww2/comments/gdp0i4/ww2_german_stopwatch_my_british_grandpa_took_off/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=comments_view_all
Cheers.! It seems mine is not a Junghanns, the triangle mark on the dial is maker Hermann Bark, Kiel. Kiel being the home of the u-boat fleet.
Correction, circle in triangle means its a Dugena made stopwatch, used for timing torpedoes. In decent condition it could be a few/high hundreds quid, in its .....patina'd condition it'll be less I guess!
in its …..patina’d condition it’ll be less I guess!
Conversely, collectors often prefer a watch to be in untouched original condition, but it’s always difficult to judge these things.
Personally, I’d at least see if I could find someone who could reset the Crystal in its correct position, and clean all the tape residue off.
yeah I am trying to find out a bit more about it and will then make a decision but may get it serviced. However it has no sentimental value so its likely that any action will be chosen according to cost and payback. It was working yesterday but today its not, and I cannot open the back either.
Cookeaa, I have just noticed that your gshock with the negative display has dd/mm. Whereas the other has mm/dd. Is the option of dd/mm specific to that watch? I’d like to be able to set my gshock the same, but I don’t think it’s possible.
Anyone fancy the idea of competitive watch buying? Suggestion politely ignored because it's rubbish, or just missed because of neilneville's spectacular stopwatch?
It's an interesting idea but not for me, I'd only buy something I thought was cool and if I thought it was cool I'd want to keep it!
I saw it but was distracted by my 'spectacular'? no... intriguing and baffling and apparently quality but not that uncommon stopwatch.
it might be fun, we need some limits though
tthew - could be interesting but you need to set a price cap and require proof of purchase for your suggestion to be viable.
Cookeaa, I have just noticed that your gshock with the negative display has dd/mm. Whereas the other has mm/dd. Is the option of dd/mm specific to that watch? I’d like to be able to set my gshock the same, but I don’t think it’s possible.
Yep it's a GW-B5600 and you can change date display and I think language via the app.
Anyone fancy the idea of competitive watch buying? Suggestion politely ignored because it’s rubbish, or just missed because of neilneville’s spectacular stopwatch?
It's an interesting idea but I think you'd have to set a sensible budget limit (personally I'd not want to give away a watch that I'd spent more than ~£20 on, or indeed receive one) and maybe have a loose brief. Maybe it's got to be an up-front opt in thing just to stop people backing out later. Perhaps the best option would be names in a hat secret santa style, no posting images or details once you've bought it, instead send it straight on to the random recipient, who then has to post an image and a mini review...
Although as Ivan points out if I bought something I liked, I'd probably want to hold on to it...
Competitive watch buying - well I thought about £20 to £30, but it depends how generous you want to be/how desperate you are to win!
if I bought something I liked, I’d probably want to hold on to it…
Ah that's the rub! Risk/reward or whatever. I'm sure we'll all try to buy something interesting, that's kind of the point. You MAY be unlucky, that's the part of the game, (but you can't win if you're not willing to swap at the end)
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Perhaps the best option would be names in a hat secret santa style, no posting images or details once you’ve bought it, instead send it straight on to the random recipient, who then has to post an image and a mini review…
Yep, that's a good suggestion, I like that!
70s Seiko SQ are a great value proposition. Picked this up for about £50 as the blue dial is a bit rarer but £30 should get a good example with a white face (e.g.). Mine's only 33mm so should feel tiny but wears really well.
I am trying to find a nice small all day/every day watch for under £50, preferably with date. That Seiko is absolutely spot on for what I would like. Any pointers where I could pick something simialr up for that sort of money?
I'd be up for the competitive watch buying if we set the limit at £30, and we can do it Secret Santa stylee. Any way we can do it so literally no-one knows who bought for who?
eBay, 'Seiko SQ'. There's loads of them - set up a saved search and keep an eye on it for a few weeks and you'll get a good idea for values. There's two general styles, the ones with the more Gothic applied 'SQ' logo and another that's a bit more Comic Sans. Some on bracelets, some on straps. Not much to go wrong with really.
Tissot Seastars can also be great VFM, both autos and quartz for less than a ton.
Or Seiko 5, cos then it's an automatic with day/date too. Tonnes of styles available, some lovely stuff for under £50
Update on my stop watch, I was wrong on the maker, circle inside triangle is Dugena. The M denotes naval issue. The N/G denotes Nordelph Group, which makes it an earlier example.
I've had the back open, nothing much to see.
I've had the bezel off but realized it's slightly dented and the crystal pops in from the front, which it doesn't want to do. I can see this was dropped in its past, bezel dented and crystal popped, not needed it was put away and forgotten.
Oh and it runs bang on for a minut against my sumo but I can't wind it. Hmmm.
Advice from my friendly local watch guy was bung on eBay as is. Repair of dial very costly, and his guy won't service it incase it needs a part. I'm still trying to work out where it came from. Have recalled dad's uncle was a bomber crew flight engineer, shot down and killed over France just after d-day. We have his medals and bits and although this watch wasn't with them could RAF have used so Dugena stop watches? But then the M and N/G throw a spanner in our being issued to him....so still no wiser.
Has the competitive watch buying idea fizzled?
I'd still be up for it, but this being ostensibly a bike forum shouldn't we combine it with some sort of bicycle related angle?
I like the idea of a recipient receiving a set of over elaborate geo-cache type instructions, spending them halfway across the country that they have to cycle to for their "prize"...
When they finally get round to it six months later they can fish a knackered vostok and a picture of a stranger giving them the finger out of an old biscuit tin.
Has the competitive watch buying idea fizzled?
No, but I've been busy the last few days. I'll post the 'official' rules later based on suggestions above and put a call out to confirm who's in.
I like the idea of a recipient receiving a set of over elaborate geo-cache type instructions, spending them halfway across the country that they have to cycle to for their “prize”…
When they finally get round to it six months later they can fish a knackered vostok and a picture of a stranger giving them the finger out of an old biscuit tin.
🤣🤣 I don't THINK I'll use that suggestion, but it entertained me nonetheless. I've never been fingered from a biscuit tin.
Right, here we go, the official Multi-coloured STW Watch Swap.
(one for the kids there)
Rule one applies*
Anyone who is playing buys the best watch they can for between £20 and £30.
Any age, style, type of watch but it must tell the time, (so no stopwatches or mechanical pedometers however cool they are). Must be working and not completely wrecked.
You don't get to keep the watch you buy, you send it off to another player who will be randomly allocated by HAL-9000 and their name and address supplied to you by PM.
You will receive another watch in the post from your associate Horologist.
When that arrives, post up some pictures of the watch, tell us about it and what you think of it.
If you recognise the watch as the one you posted, you don't have to confess it was you that sent it, (saves embarrassment if the recipient hates it) but you can of you wish.
Once all watches are swapped, each player will vote for their favorite, (maybe favorites 2 if there's enough players) and HAL-9000 will collate the scores and declare the winning watch.
Watches should be supplied to the recipient by the end of August 2020, that should be enough time to find and get a watch sent even from abroad and with slow post if you get it from eBay.
Watches can be sourced from anywhere, charity or 'antique' (junk) shops, the internets, Hatton Garden safety deposit boxes etc.
You need to let me know your name and address (probably that's best by PM) as soon as you can to join in.
GO!
If you have any other or better suggestions, happy to have them.
*Yeah, that rule one.
I'm going to the pub now. See you later.
Tempted by the watch swap.
Maybe have a deadline every month or whatever frequency for people to opt in so you'd have definite numbers?
Sod it, for £20 I’m in. PM sent.
... deadline every month...
Just going to do it once for now!
Only one PM from IHN so far, two other players so far, thanks for the PM's (which I'll reply to in a bit) I'll maybe send out a few of my own to try and drum up some interest. 👍
D'Oh! how stupid am I? I couldn't wind the stopwatch as...it was fully wound. I set it going Friday afternoon and put it back in the drawer. left it until late last night when it had stopped after running for either 18 minutes 10 seconds or 18+30, or 18+60, or... anyway it then wound fine. So I wound it andset it going again, which needed a gentle shake to start it off. Still running some 14 hours later.
Through MWR forum I'm in contact with a collector of them.
Right, after a bikepacking overnighter last week I've decided I "need" a new watch for such occasions. I had been thinking of an Instinct Solar but given Garmin's ongoing issues I might give that a miss.
So the criteria are:
Tough - quartz not auto
Waterproof - 100m minimum
Legible - not g-shock
Sub £200 so I can lose it in a tent - not 100% set in stone, not even 50% set in stone tbh.
Analog - not Casio FW91
42mm+ -
I've got a couple of contenders in mind but let's see what the STW watch fam comes up with...
Casio SGW-100, not a G-Shock or a Pro-trek so less bulky:
200m water resistant, has a much bigger, more legible display and good backlight, has a few other G-shock features, world time, stopwatch, timer, multiple alarms, mineral glass, also includes a pointless compass and thermometer.
48mm dia/13mm thick but doesn't wear that big.
Can be had for just £35... It's one of my prefered knock about watches.
Whoops missed your Analogue requirement.
Timex expedition?
They come in a few different flavours standard or chronograph mostly as field watches, can be had in 40 and 42mm with a good 'indiglo' backlight...