[Closed] Watch out the BNP are about!!

Don't worry, that will [u]NEVER[/u] happen! The vast majority of British people aren't that stupid to take the BNP's idiocy seriously!

Sure, the BNP may win the odd few parliamentary seats, but they will always be a galaxy away from power!

I think that the BNP are doing a fantastic political job. A friend of mine who has no political knowledge or interest had great fun reading his little flyer and pointing out the holes in its arguements whilst pouring scourn on it and will probably now vote just to keep the tw@s out.

Each to their own though - just like other communities spreading messages of hate, the BNP is allowed its voice in our democracy.

No hint of a suggestion that I think they have a valid argument. I just like the fact we live in a country where any voice (within reason) is allowed to be heard.

Yep, I got their hate spam aswell yesterday. Just pondering on what name and address to put in the 'please provide your details if you want to learn more about the BNP' box.

I'm still waiting for the government note telling me what to do if I get swine flu'd. It would be nice to have soon as they announced a case in the closest big town to us over a week ago.
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I have a sign on my door which says "no junk mail, thanks". The BNP clearly felt that their leaflet was not "junk mail". I dispute that... 🙂

Yup I was quite surprised to see one come through last week. I live in a Plaid Cymru/Lib Dem stronghold and the Tories don't get much of a look in except from a few farmers. BNP is laughable. I did notice that there was a member living a couple of miles away when their membership was leaked. I suppose I could go return the leaflet with a steaming turd or something.

I think everyone is getting them, as I *think* they have paid RM to deliver them. Its funny as they seem to be bundled (well the ones i've seen in the South West and London) with the UKIP leaflet, which is a double backfire.

Hmmm, is it just me who now has the theme tune to Beadles About in their head now after reading the thread topic?

I know; imagine thinking the bnp would ever get listened to. In a country with spiralling unemployment, resentment of incoming workers, weak government and banks folding.Not to mention external meddling from other countries telling us when we can and cannot work, fining fishermen etc. Last time I remember things being like this was in Germany in the early 1939's*

* Just playing Devils Advocate

duckman:

* Just playing Devils Advocate

No, your just being stupid and missing out a historical perspective that is crucial to explaining the rise of Hitler's Germany.

Just got ours, they are being delivered by the postie

are BNP threeads the automatic proof of goodwins law?

[i]Last time I remember things being like this was in Germany in the early 1939's[/i]

You were in Germany in the early 1939s?

So was my granny. Do you know her?

I just found this picture.

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Which is quite interesting. However, I was actually looking for a link to [url= http://http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0141039507/?tag=googhydr-21&hvadid=3461158849&ref=pd_sl_3f1keqtjc4_e ]Jonah Goldberg's book, "Liberal Fascism"[/url], which is interesting, principally for his analysis of populist/fascist movements and their common themes.

Actually Jamie I had tongue in cheek.Please explain the crucial historical perspective that I missed the entire time I was doing my degree and masters in history and in the last four years I have spent teaching advanced higher. I am sorry if you felt that I was being serious,as I was not. However Hitler was voted in as a leader who would make Germany strong again, by people who were desperate and believed his lies.

Typo; should have been late 1920's/early 1930's.

Chrisheath, the Wiemar republic was known for how liberal it was...EVERYBODY knew your Granny!

SO it turns out that all the people photographed and "quoted" on the leaflet are infact just American models from a Stock photograph.

http://penrijamesceredigion.blogspot.com/2009/05/plaid-call-on-royal-mail-to-stop.html

I would care that they were stock photos and made-up quotes if I thought that it would not have been possible to find people to express these ideas. Sadly, it would have been very possible.

IIRC, no-one has ever found the constituent that Enoch Powell talked about in his "rivers of blood" speech. It doesn't seem to matter, he was striking a chord.

It is surely better to meet them head-on on the actual substance rather than challenge them for stuff like that. Candidates from the main parties ahve been caught fabricating photograpshs in election material afterall. 🙂

Remember though:

"It's not racist to oppose mass immigration and political correctness - it's common sense!"

At least, that's what the leaflet says. And:

"British Jobs for British Workers, Because [u]We've[/u] Earned the Right!"

at, apparently Trafalgar, The Somme, Dunkirk (I'm pretty sure we got our arses kicked there, I could be wrong), D-Day and The Falklands.

I'm sold.

How far back do the BNP trace their defination of the word British? It is just because we have had waves of mass immigration since ad 43, when Claudius arrived.

Didn't Tom Hanks win d-day, were there British troops there as well?

I wonder if they consider it in the literal fashion - Great Britain is the island on which we live, not the political or "legal" state.

I have two "members" on my road.

The nearest pub to my house has england flags plastered over it 24/7 and is a really intimidating place of an evening.

The local shop over the road from the pub is owned by a sikh family.

Their youngest lads about 17 and he was wearing a top with what i assume had sanscrit writing on it, there was two pissed morons in there shouting at him to take his al qaeda stuff off, getting quite abusive, it very nearly kicked off quite badly, and this was on a non football night, mid week....

Havent voted for years but I will be voting this time around.

Just got ours, they are being delivered by the postie

Yep Royal Mail are delivering seven in total in our area.
So far I have delivered UKIP, Lib Dem, Green and BNP, plus the polling cards.
We have to remain politically unbiased and must deliver them all, however I know a lot of the asian postmen in Bradford didn't deliver the BNP last time around. One rule for one......eh?

It's pretty good for us too. For some reason the European Elections must have different rules to the Locals and general, because we get paid 3p per leaflet for all of these. It's a nice little earner.

I've had enough of the MP's so I'm voting Green Peace! 8)

I wouldn't pi$$ on a Nazis if they were on fire. 😈

The nearest pub to my house has england flags plastered over it 24/7

The pubs down my road have Saltires on them 24/7, doesnt mean anything. As, I think, the only English person on the road I don't get abuse. There's nothing wrong with patriotism, it's discrimination and abuse that's the problem.

IHN - cast your mind back a couple of months to the mass strikes caused by people thinking some Italians (I think) might get their jobs - that's the kind of people the BNP can easily catch.

It's almost like a protest vote - they'll never get in where it counts on a General Election, but a low turnout Euro vote might be the place to show contempt for the current government.

"It's not racist to oppose mass immigration and political correctness - it's common sense!"

The nearest pub to my house has england flags plastered over it 24/7 [b]and is a really intimidating place of an evening[/b].

There's nothing wrong with patriotism, it's discrimination and abuse that's the problem.

agreed coffeeking

BNP Bloke in street - Vote BNP because it makes sense to be British

Me - Can I borrow your brain

BNP Bloke [Puzzled look] Why?

Me - I am building an idiot

Not sure what happened next as I walked away from the crowd that was now laughing at him.

I have blonde hair and blue eyes, and since my Viking ancestors probably didn't have the correct visa documentation when they entered the UK I should think I'm fairly high up on the BNP hit list of illegal immigrants.

My younger brother works on Avonmouth docks, and his 'borrowed' opinions are pretty scary. As lot of people believe the BNP bollocks, and fully intend to get out there and get who they think are the right people into power.

But to be fair to them the are very good at campaigning for local issues, which the current crop of middle of the road mainstream politicians don't bother with, as they are too busy towing the party line about global/party issues rather than representing the people who actually vote for them.

There was an interesting Question time in Stoke which discussed this as they now have a couple of BNP councilors, and the people commenting on supporting the BNP weren't actually racist/idiots they just had lost faith in Labour and the only politicians who they felt actually listened to them and addressed the issues they were facing were the BNP and hence got their votes. The Labour MP on the panel actually admitted it was a problem but said Labour MP's had to put the party interests before local issues, which didn't go down well. 😐

Have to agree with duckman, there are a lot of parallels with 1920 Germany - especially with the right wing media having a pop at foreign workers/muslims and the economic downturn.

A lot of people are pi$$ed off with the main stream parties over the expenses crap and this would be an ideal time for the BNP to target the areas where they could make the most grounds.

I wouldn't mind betting alot in Germany in the '20's said "It'll never happen" and just carried on their merry way until it was too late.

I typed out a post earlier and then deleted it because it ran along a similar vein to Duckmans post re Nazi Germany. It has quite a few parrallels imo but the fact that it is the BNP means that they 'hopefully' will never reach out to the masses.

I however looked at their leaflets and the thing that struck me was how well presented they were for Joe Public. What i mean is that they were the marketing equivelant of the Sun Newspaper. You didnt have to be well educated to be able to understand their points and it was quite easy to associate with. From that point i then imagined if the leaflet had Lib Dems written on the top of it. I then found it rather more difficult to ignore.

The underlying fact is they are racist scum, BUT they are putting together a strong message which if we are not carefull will catch on quickly

Oh and pmsl at Jamie trying to belittle Duckmans opinion. I see he gave up quite quickly 🙂

Our leaflet was hand delivered by a completely normal looking bloke. No big swastika on his forehead or even a football tatoo on his forearms...

My brother in law has struggled for regular local work in the past year as either a steel worker or carpenter. Where he lives wasn't a great distance from the recent strikes protesting about EU workers. I should imagine some of his peers who are traditional labour supporters will consider voting BNP in protest in the forthcoming elections. This is simply because the old labour party who looked after their interests (or at least tried to pretend) isn't there any more.

I'll be voting tory, their big scandals are usually far more entertaining than anyone else... and they are quite clearly the bunch of muppets we know them to be without even trying to hide it.

Saw their political broadcast on tv last night or the night before. NONE of them were smiling on it...was really quite surreal..and you can tell taht all they wanted to do was moan

I did literally LOL when I read this letter today :

[i]Charlie Brooker (G2, 18 February) should know that there's no need to create a replica UK in the Pacific. An island where BNP members can experience life as immigrants already exists in the North Sea: Great Britain. Having read history at Oxford, Nick Griffin will know that the English themselves were a bunch of illegal immigrants coming here to sponge off the remnants of the welfare state left behind by the departing Romans.

I think Nick's party lacks its leader's historical expertise, though, when it claims on its website: "On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years." I'm afraid they've been a minority for the last 1,500 years, ever since those invading Saxons arrived with their innate sense of rhythm and enormous john thomases to seduce our women and produce a nation of half-breeds.

There is of course an area of the UK where "indigenous folk" are still a majority. So here's your new slogan Nick: "British jobs for Welsh workers". Should go down a bomb with the slope-skulls who support you.[/i]
James Richards
Montefalcone Appennino, Italy

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Quote :

" those invading Saxons arrived with their innate sense of rhythm and enormous john thomases to seduce our women and produce a nation of half-breeds " .... LOL ! Priceless !

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On a more serious note - [i]"Don't worry, that will NEVER happen! The vast majority of British people aren't that stupid to take the BNP's idiocy seriously!"[/i]

I agree, but I'm still worried. I have no doubt that [i]some people[/i] whilst possibly strongly disagreeing with the BNPs racist views, will be tempted to vote BNP thinking 'they'll never get in and it's a good chance to give the main parties a kick in the teeth'.

That would be a disaster imo, because every BNP candidate which wins a seat be it council or EP, represents a disaster for Britain. Because whilst clearly the BNP can never realistically win power, any election win by them will guarantee three things : an increase in social discord, an increased level of hate, and increased risk of violence.

Thankfully due to the very British attitude of tolerance, Britain, unlike other comparable countries, has been spared the destructive politics of fascism. Sadly the BNP will undoubtedly make gains in coming elections as they exploit people's genuine grievances, but this won't represent a 'kick in the teeth' to the parliamentarians, the real losers will be all of us.

imo

"SO it turns out that all the people photographed and "quoted" on the leaflet are infact just American models from a Stock photograph."

Least surprising thing ever 😆

Bring back the Normans!

We got a leaflet through last night too. Depressing 🙁

We got two. They are very crumpled. 🙂

to be fair to them the are very good at campaigning for local issues, which the current crop of middle of the road mainstream politicians don't bother with, as they are too busy towing the party line about global/party issues rather than representing the people who actually vote for them.

Don't make excuses for them. Yes there are people out there who feel disenfranchised by the political process. Yes these feelings are being inflamed by hystreical reporting in the mainstream media, and the attitude of the mainstream political parties. But you would hope people would be a bit more savvy than throwing their lot in with a bunch of extremists.

Why is it depressing? It would be far more depressing if we only had one party. One which if you disagreed with there ideology you strangely "disappeared".

Question: to what extent is the appeal of the BNP down to the lack of actual power or accountability of local councils?

people who feel they have no voice, or ability to effect what happens in the country they live in can do funny things.

The main stream parties are failing to address a lot of people concerns, people are losing their houses and their jobs, and it appears that a lot of people don't feel their Labour/Tory MPs give a shit.

A lot of MP's feel they are in a job for life so don't/haven't actually done what they are paid for, and the *only* way to get them to change is too sack them via the ballots.

Unfortunately a lot of people think that the only way to do that is to vote for a minority party, and one that is likely to get enough to votes to actually win, ie: not green, as people love their cars too much, so that doesn't leave a lot of choices.

IMHO of course. Yes its ****ing tragic, yes they are racist ****tards, however if you want to shock the major UK political parties into sorting their act out, they seem to be a popular choice, as Labour/Tory/Lib Dem MP's cannot spin the election of these idiots any other way than they have failed dismally.

sofatester I know, I agree.

But reading their message is depressing. and it's depressing to think that there are people who beleive in it. In our area, 3 years ago there wasn't a bnp candidate, now there is, that is also depressing.

however if you want to shock the major UK political parties into sorting their act out, they seem to be a popular choice, as Labour/Tory/Lib Dem MP's cannot spin the election of these idiots any other way than they have failed dismally.

I don't know what sort of message you want to send to the main parties richc, but I would suggest that electing benefits cheats who swindle £3,000 from the taxpayers is not a good idea.

[i]"THE [b]leader of the BNP group on Calderdale Council[/b] has been found guilty of swindling taxpayers to line his own pocket.
Richard Mulhall was found guilty on four counts of benefit fraud at Teesside Crown Court.[/i]"

[url= http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/Mulhall-guilty-of-fiddling-3000.1834019.jp ]Mulhall guilty of fiddling £3,000 from taxpayer[/url]

And that's just the tip of the iceberg - no other party has a more appalling record when it comes to the behaviour of their candiates and elected councillors, than the BNP.

Yes, voting BNP sends out a clear message ......... unfortunately it's the wrong ****ing message.

My dad had a run-in with BNP some years ago. They asked him to display a poster on his window, which he rejected. 2 days later the window was smashed!

I like the little logo on the leaflet if you decide to send off for their free info pack - 'Data Protection SECURE'

I live in Stoke and unfortunately we have 2 BNP councillors. Areas like Stoke are very vulnerable to the BNP chancers. I can see them doing well in the forthcoming Euro Elections.
Singling-out a BNP councillor for benefit fraud is a bit rich,when MPs of all political persuasions have been fleecing the tax payers.
Also,our(Stoke's)elected Lord Mayor has been suspended and a Tory councillor for alledged corruption.

It's interesting that most of you think that people would vote for the BNP to send a message to the mainstream parties rather than because those people actually agree with the BNP.

I would say that a vast number (maybe not a majority but certainly a significant amount) of people are actually pretty racist, whether openly or not - and it's something that I've seen increasing lately.

(BTW according to Francis Pryor the mass migrations didn't happen, so we are all mostly original Britons. See 'Britain BC/Britain AD'. He concedes that the vikings (for want of the preferred term for beserk people from the North wearing horns on their heads) did actually invade but disputes the Roman invasion and previous ones.)

(Also btw - I don't agree with the BNP in any form so my comments above aren't my own opinions)

I took them on in the market square in Salisbury the other day.

I simply challenged many of the pathetic elements of their "policies" and was most pleased to hear people behind me applauding my efforts as the semi-evolved ****tard from the BNP tried to justify his "opinions"

Was most fun, and I can highly recommend it if you get the chance!

It really is a joke to compare the UK today with 1920s Germany; I can't believe anyone is even considering that line of thought. An 'economic downturn' is *not* comparable to the freefalling economy of 1920s Germany; where are the political militias whose streetfights are nearly ripping the country apart? Where is the humiliating military defeat to our near neighbours which has seen the ceding of 'our' territory? It is an alarmist but empty comparison.

What's more worrying is that the publicity over this minor and, largely, laughable excuse for a political party is causing people to think that they are a threat and that the very real threat from their chums on the Right will be ignored and we'll see greedheads grabbing a few extra quid in their pay packet through lower taxes whilst confusedly watching the tory jackals dismember the health service and education system. (And let's not forget that the tories in Europe are currently seeking links with the Polish far-right Law and Justice Party or that Westminster tories have links with far-right 'pressure group'/cabal Swinton Circle (a re-branded Monday club)).

Politician = lieing twa t. Why should the BNP be treated any different? They all preach what ever shite they want you to believe while all the time they are filling their pockets with our taxes.

Racist, sexist whatever - lieing twa ts.

Singling-out a BNP councillor for benefit fraud is a bit rich,when MPs of all political persuasions have been fleecing the tax payers.

I don't know how you've done it, but you've managed to completely miss the point Young Dave riley.

What 'is a bit rich' is offering the BNP as the party of the 'Mr Cleans'.

As I said, the no other party has proportionally as many criminals and fraudsters as the BNP. They simply make politicians of other parties appear like saints in comparison.

Yes I singled out the BNP group leader on Calderdale Council as an example of just how corrupt the BNP is. And even though Richard Mulhall has been found to have cheated the very people who elected him, he refuses to resign. Furthermore he hasn't even been thrown out of the BNP.

But I did very [u]clearly[/u] say that this was 'just the tip of the iceberg' .... I take it that you understand the term. There are plenty of other examples too numerous to mention......from Luke Smith the BNP councillor and convicted football hooligan who was forced to resign his seat after he smashed a bottle into the face of of a Leeds BNP organiser, to BNP councillor Robin Evans who walked out of the party, then wrote a letter to his former colleagues denouncing them as a party of drug-dealers and football hooligans. He remains a councillor, describing himself as a "national socialist".

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/3219794.Ex_BNP_man_found_hanged_near_Burnley_pub/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1517025/Vote-BNP-and-youre-as-bad-as-they-are.html

The irony is not lost on me when I received my leaflet, Im of Mauritian descent so when I came home to see said leafet pushed through the door I felt pleased they would care so much to embrace me with brown skin to their party .
The leaflet now has pride of place on my fridge : ) Im debating whether to send it off and get them to come round after inviting my brother and cousins (all of the same descent) round and play it like we really want to join the party.
The strangest thing is I told everyone at college (im a student nurse)who had a laugh but one student nurse thought it was a good idea they should be in power............it goes without saying "Nursing aint what it used to be ..............cue CARRY ON MUSIC : )

Look just be frank, if you vote for the BNP it's because you're racist/extremist or a Nazi.

No excuses.

Nazi-racists vote BNP. And you should be proud of yourself to be a member of the scum of the Earth too.

If you have no faith in any current ruling party buy want your vote to count and you're not a Nazi, then vote Green Party.

I'm no racist; I'm not keen on Polish or Muslims but I'd be dammed if I'm going to vote for a Nazi scum.

@Wombles-do Nurses like us Medics still pledge to help anyone regardless who they are if sick?

:|Have met a few "prospective" BNP councilors/MPs (not thru choice), and totaly disagree with the hatered and propagander they preach. BUT and I have a problem (dont want to be shot down as a racist) saying this ...I have a problem with people coming into this country who have no intention of integrating into British society (of all beliefs/cultures-as I think thats what makes this country what it is) if you dont like what a country stands for , why would you want to live there (thru choice)?
EDIT: still reads a bit racist (to me), but Im not!

my favoutite piece of BNP propganda, used to fron their anti-immigration campaign.

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That Spitfire, that's from 303 Squadron that is, and they were flown by Polish pilots

Leaflet delivered to Ms Spanners' place in Radcliffe last night - by a young lad, mid teens.

Cowardly scum, afraid that residents would tell a grown up to shove her leaflet up her fat white 'Patriotic' ass?

I have a problem with people coming into this country who have no intention of integrating into British society

What do you actually mean by "integrating into British society"? Going to the pub, having a fight and being sick on the pavement?

You need to bear in mind that as an immigrant coming to a new country you will probably want to stick within a community of people who have the same culture and language to you, for loads of reasons that have nothing to do with disliking your adopted country. This is equally true whether you're a Muslim living in Bradford or a Brit living on the Costa Del Sol.

Another well-observed phenomenon with immigration is that while the first generation of immigrants generally don't mix seamlessly into society, their kids do. Look at America, it's absorbed more immigrants than any other country in the world, yet it also has one of the strongest national identities.

Look at America, it's absorbed more immigrants than any other country in the world, yet it also has one of the strongest national identities.

What 'strong national identity'? Is that the classic WASP identity? The redneck, beer swilling ID? The hispanic ID? etc, etc.

The US, one of the few modern nations who managed to almost entirely wipe out the original inhabitants, whose origins are again entirely in immigrants, still manages to simultaneously be the richest country on earth while having severe poverty. They are famous for being inward looking, racist, insular - how far do you want me to go with this?

What 'strong national identity'? Is that the classic WASP identity? The redneck, beer swilling ID? The hispanic ID? etc, etc.

Could be any, all, or none of the above. Look at Hunter S Thompson - hardly someone who toed the line of the establishment, but intensely patriotic nonetheless.

As for the racist, insular thing, yes there is a lamentable core of truth at the centre of the stereotype. America has been the victim of some utterly shameful hysteria over immigration, for example illegally deporting hundreds of Mexican Americans in the wake of the Rodney King riots in LA in the 1990s, after a news report laid the blame with the city's Hispanic community. But I bet a lot of the same people who fret about Mexicans coming over the border are people whose grandparents or great-grandparents arrived on a boat in the 19th Century.

got the BNP leaflet and a Socialist party (not labour of course) leaflet. Both went on the fire, left/right all extremists who will tell you how you will live. Give me this disjointed pile of crap for a system over over any of the political views with an "ist" at the end.

Just to be clear, I haven't ever voted BNP, never will vote BNP and am against everything the ****tards stand for however:

Look just be frank, if you vote for the BNP it's because you're racist/extremist or a Nazi. Nazi-racists vote BNP.

This statement is almost as stupid as the shit they come out with. I am sure that Nazi-racists vote for Conversative and UKIP as well, so if you vote for them are you a racist Nazi as well?

and on a lighter note:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/celebrity/mystery-surrounds-bnp-invite-to-palace-200905211776/

richc - Member

Just to be clear, I haven't ever voted BNP, never will vote BNP and am against everything the ****tards stand for however:

Look just be frank, if you vote for the BNP it's because you're racist/extremist or a Nazi. Nazi-racists vote BNP.

This statement is almost as stupid as the shit they come out with. I am sure that Nazi-racists vote for Conversative and UKIP as well, so if you vote for them are you a racist Nazi as well?

The BNP are a racist extremist party-everyone knows that and their voters know that. So stop sticking up for them.

Reply to Zaskar (above)
The NMC code of conduct doesnt explicitly say you are forbidden to join the however your it does say in your "professional practise" your care should be equal
http://www.nmc-uk.org/aArticle.aspx?ArticleID=3429&Keyword=bnp

the key words in the code of conduct I beleive are "equality" and "diversity"

The weirdest thing about the whole thing was that it was just after a lecture about diversity that the students said this : ) heheheh the next three years are going to be fun

I'm no racist; I'm not keen on Polish or Muslims

You sound like a muddled sort of chap.

I am not sticking up for them, and I am just trying to point out that sticking your head in the ground and saying 'they are racist nazi's, and anyone who votes for them is a racist nazi' is oversimplifying matters just a little bit.

Anyhow I can't be arsed with this anymore, as people understandability have such strong views on this that they become very narrow minded and will not accept any opinions other than there own, and just end up chanting 'racist' and/or 'nazi' like a two year old.

I will however repeat, I don't vote BNP, will never vote BNP, will argue for ****ing hours with anyone who does vote BNP to try and talk them around to rational thought and debunk any of the bullshit they have swallowed.

I wonder how many on here arguing this have actually bothered to read there leaflet. I did - had never had one before, and was fascinated to see what it had to say. Was worryingly good - sure you could see straight through it if you paid attention, but it would be very easy from that leaflet to get the impression that they weren't racist at all, and just had very sensible views, the like of which a lot of quite ordinary straight thinking people would agree with. Hence richc is spot on - there are plenty of people voting for them who aren't racist nazis.

[i]Was worryingly good[/i]

I utterly despise the boneheaded ****tards - and their crass "understanding" of this country's history.

The leaflet that came thru my door had some made-up quote from "a doctor", bemoaning the impact of immigration upon the NHS. That would be the same NHS that has been staffed (and sustained) by vast numbers of skilled foreign nurses and medics, ever since its inception.

Their arguments must be heard and debunked. Simply putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "Nazi" will not fix the problem. Allow Griffin on Question Time etc and let them speak. It's like knowing you're going to be sick but avoiding the gurgling stomach, you know it has to happen before you will recover. The big three parties are ignoring real issues and this is allowing the BNP to make real progress. This proves that the "fingers in the ears" approach isn't working. If their arguments can be ripped to shreds then what on earth is there to be worried about? The current approach is drawing them more support so it aint working is it?

Oh and before you respond, get stuffed RB.

noteeth:

The leaflet that came thru my door had some made-up quote from "a doctor", bemoaning the impact of immigration upon the NHS.

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the same NHS that has been staffed (and sustained) by vast numbers of skilled foreign nurses and medics, ever since its inception.

It's funny how they use that example. Many of these medical staff we are referring to are from developing nations, many of them having been trained at home on their own countries limited resources only to up and leave for a better income and standard of living here, thus impoverising the developing nations further.

I didn't know the BNP had such an element of international altruism.

The BNP aren't worthy of 2 pages worth of bandwidth.

A BNP vote is a wasted vote.

The end.

A BNP vote is a wasted vote.

I hope you're right Mike, I really do.

Personally I've already started nagging mates and family to get out there and vote on the 4th of June as if they don't, then voter apathy could well hand them quite a few seats.

there are plenty of people voting for them who aren't racist nazis.

Yep, agreed. Don't ever underestimate how ill-informed some people can be. Whilst undoubtedly all BNP members are indisputably racists, you would be surprised just how many people are seduced by their lies. The BNP [i]always[/i] publicly claims to be non-racist.

And at the other end of the scale I've known plenty of working-class people to claim that they are racist, when in fact they're not.

Many a time I've challenged a racist remark with a comment like, "what about your mate Mick, he's black ?" and I've got an answer back "yeah but that's Mick - he's different" then I say "what about Mr & Mrs Patel at the **** shop - do you want to send them back ?" and I get "No, no, not them - they're ok, I like them"......and so on. And I think, wake up mate, you're not a ****ing racist.

Middle-class people generally know full well that racism is unacceptable, and therefore go to great lengths to deny that they are racist, even though they often clearly are. Which is probably why just about everyone on here has denounced the BNP, including those which I would put down as probable racists. And those 'probable racists' have felt that the best that they could achieve, was to remind everyone that whilst they didn't support the BNP, the BNP had a right to express there views and should be given the opportunity to speak. The big give away is when those same people, don't feel the need to extend those same rights, to militant muslims.

On the other hand [i]some[/i] working class feel that it is their duty to proudly announce that they racist, even though they might not be. Plus it has the added advantage of not appearing 'politically correct', something which the gutter-press claims is wicked and unacceptable. Although in my experience working-class people are hugely more tolerant of other people's race, class, and religion, than many middle-class people are.

Ernie,how can you say I've missed the point and that it's just the tip of the iceberg?? I know exactly what sort of people we're dealing with.....but the "respectable" parties have kept the Telegraph going for nearly two weeks with their swindling.
Away from the middle/chattering classes...and MTB forums 😉 the BNP do have sympathisers,scarey but true.

the "respectable" parties have kept the Telegraph going for nearly two weeks with their swindling.

TBH, and [i]I am[/i] being honest ..... I am not hugely bothered by some Tory grandee claiming a few bob for having his moat cleaned. I am however, [i]hugely[/i] bothered by a criminal thug getting elected onto a council or the European Parliament.

Ernie,it might not bother you,or Stephen Fry :P,but it has pissed a lot of people off. Maybe you're out of kilter with the general consensus.
....And what about UKIP? racists from "nicer" backgrounds and more expensive suits?