however if you want to shock the major UK political parties into sorting their act out, they seem to be a popular choice, as Labour/Tory/Lib Dem MP's cannot spin the election of these idiots any other way than they have failed dismally.
I don't know what sort of message you want to send to the main parties richc, but I would suggest that electing benefits cheats who swindle £3,000 from the taxpayers is not a good idea.
[i]"THE [b]leader of the BNP group on Calderdale Council[/b] has been found guilty of swindling taxpayers to line his own pocket.
Richard Mulhall was found guilty on four counts of benefit fraud at Teesside Crown Court.[/i]"
[url= http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/Mulhall-guilty-of-fiddling-3000.1834019.jp ]Mulhall guilty of fiddling £3,000 from taxpayer[/url]
And that's just the tip of the iceberg - no other party has a more appalling record when it comes to the behaviour of their candiates and elected councillors, than the BNP.
Yes, voting BNP sends out a clear message ......... unfortunately it's the wrong ****ing message.
My dad had a run-in with BNP some years ago. They asked him to display a poster on his window, which he rejected. 2 days later the window was smashed!
I like the little logo on the leaflet if you decide to send off for their free info pack - 'Data Protection SECURE'
I live in Stoke and unfortunately we have 2 BNP councillors. Areas like Stoke are very vulnerable to the BNP chancers. I can see them doing well in the forthcoming Euro Elections.
Singling-out a BNP councillor for benefit fraud is a bit rich,when MPs of all political persuasions have been fleecing the tax payers.
Also,our(Stoke's)elected Lord Mayor has been suspended and a Tory councillor for alledged corruption.
It's interesting that most of you think that people would vote for the BNP to send a message to the mainstream parties rather than because those people actually agree with the BNP.
I would say that a vast number (maybe not a majority but certainly a significant amount) of people are actually pretty racist, whether openly or not - and it's something that I've seen increasing lately.
(BTW according to Francis Pryor the mass migrations didn't happen, so we are all mostly original Britons. See 'Britain BC/Britain AD'. He concedes that the vikings (for want of the preferred term for beserk people from the North wearing horns on their heads) did actually invade but disputes the Roman invasion and previous ones.)
(Also btw - I don't agree with the BNP in any form so my comments above aren't my own opinions)
I took them on in the market square in Salisbury the other day.
I simply challenged many of the pathetic elements of their "policies" and was most pleased to hear people behind me applauding my efforts as the semi-evolved ****tard from the BNP tried to justify his "opinions"
Was most fun, and I can highly recommend it if you get the chance!
It really is a joke to compare the UK today with 1920s Germany; I can't believe anyone is even considering that line of thought. An 'economic downturn' is *not* comparable to the freefalling economy of 1920s Germany; where are the political militias whose streetfights are nearly ripping the country apart? Where is the humiliating military defeat to our near neighbours which has seen the ceding of 'our' territory? It is an alarmist but empty comparison.
What's more worrying is that the publicity over this minor and, largely, laughable excuse for a political party is causing people to think that they are a threat and that the very real threat from their chums on the Right will be ignored and we'll see greedheads grabbing a few extra quid in their pay packet through lower taxes whilst confusedly watching the tory jackals dismember the health service and education system. (And let's not forget that the tories in Europe are currently seeking links with the Polish far-right Law and Justice Party or that Westminster tories have links with far-right 'pressure group'/cabal Swinton Circle (a re-branded Monday club)).
Politician = lieing twa t. Why should the BNP be treated any different? They all preach what ever shite they want you to believe while all the time they are filling their pockets with our taxes.
Racist, sexist whatever - lieing twa ts.
Singling-out a BNP councillor for benefit fraud is a bit rich,when MPs of all political persuasions have been fleecing the tax payers.
I don't know how you've done it, but you've managed to completely miss the point Young Dave riley.
What 'is a bit rich' is offering the BNP as the party of the 'Mr Cleans'.
As I said, the no other party has proportionally as many criminals and fraudsters as the BNP. They simply make politicians of other parties appear like saints in comparison.
Yes I singled out the BNP group leader on Calderdale Council as an example of just how corrupt the BNP is. And even though Richard Mulhall has been found to have cheated the very people who elected him, he refuses to resign. Furthermore he hasn't even been thrown out of the BNP.
But I did very [u]clearly[/u] say that this was 'just the tip of the iceberg' .... I take it that you understand the term. There are plenty of other examples too numerous to mention......from Luke Smith the BNP councillor and convicted football hooligan who was forced to resign his seat after he smashed a bottle into the face of of a Leeds BNP organiser, to BNP councillor Robin Evans who walked out of the party, then wrote a letter to his former colleagues denouncing them as a party of drug-dealers and football hooligans. He remains a councillor, describing himself as a "national socialist".
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/3219794.Ex_BNP_man_found_hanged_near_Burnley_pub/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1517025/Vote-BNP-and-youre-as-bad-as-they-are.html
The irony is not lost on me when I received my leaflet, Im of Mauritian descent so when I came home to see said leafet pushed through the door I felt pleased they would care so much to embrace me with brown skin to their party .
The leaflet now has pride of place on my fridge : ) Im debating whether to send it off and get them to come round after inviting my brother and cousins (all of the same descent) round and play it like we really want to join the party.
The strangest thing is I told everyone at college (im a student nurse)who had a laugh but one student nurse thought it was a good idea they should be in power............it goes without saying "Nursing aint what it used to be ..............cue CARRY ON MUSIC : )
Look just be frank, if you vote for the BNP it's because you're racist/extremist or a Nazi.
No excuses.
Nazi-racists vote BNP. And you should be proud of yourself to be a member of the scum of the Earth too.
If you have no faith in any current ruling party buy want your vote to count and you're not a Nazi, then vote Green Party.
I'm no racist; I'm not keen on Polish or Muslims but I'd be dammed if I'm going to vote for a Nazi scum.
@Wombles-do Nurses like us Medics still pledge to help anyone regardless who they are if sick?
:|Have met a few "prospective" BNP councilors/MPs (not thru choice), and totaly disagree with the hatered and propagander they preach. BUT and I have a problem (dont want to be shot down as a racist) saying this ...I have a problem with people coming into this country who have no intention of integrating into British society (of all beliefs/cultures-as I think thats what makes this country what it is) if you dont like what a country stands for , why would you want to live there (thru choice)?
EDIT: still reads a bit racist (to me), but Im not!
my favoutite piece of BNP propganda, used to fron their anti-immigration campaign.
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That Spitfire, that's from 303 Squadron that is, and they were flown by Polish pilots
Leaflet delivered to Ms Spanners' place in Radcliffe last night - by a young lad, mid teens.
Cowardly scum, afraid that residents would tell a grown up to shove her leaflet up her fat white 'Patriotic' ass?
I have a problem with people coming into this country who have no intention of integrating into British society
What do you actually mean by "integrating into British society"? Going to the pub, having a fight and being sick on the pavement?
You need to bear in mind that as an immigrant coming to a new country you will probably want to stick within a community of people who have the same culture and language to you, for loads of reasons that have nothing to do with disliking your adopted country. This is equally true whether you're a Muslim living in Bradford or a Brit living on the Costa Del Sol.
Another well-observed phenomenon with immigration is that while the first generation of immigrants generally don't mix seamlessly into society, their kids do. Look at America, it's absorbed more immigrants than any other country in the world, yet it also has one of the strongest national identities.
Look at America, it's absorbed more immigrants than any other country in the world, yet it also has one of the strongest national identities.
What 'strong national identity'? Is that the classic WASP identity? The redneck, beer swilling ID? The hispanic ID? etc, etc.
The US, one of the few modern nations who managed to almost entirely wipe out the original inhabitants, whose origins are again entirely in immigrants, still manages to simultaneously be the richest country on earth while having severe poverty. They are famous for being inward looking, racist, insular - how far do you want me to go with this?
What 'strong national identity'? Is that the classic WASP identity? The redneck, beer swilling ID? The hispanic ID? etc, etc.
Could be any, all, or none of the above. Look at Hunter S Thompson - hardly someone who toed the line of the establishment, but intensely patriotic nonetheless.
As for the racist, insular thing, yes there is a lamentable core of truth at the centre of the stereotype. America has been the victim of some utterly shameful hysteria over immigration, for example illegally deporting hundreds of Mexican Americans in the wake of the Rodney King riots in LA in the 1990s, after a news report laid the blame with the city's Hispanic community. But I bet a lot of the same people who fret about Mexicans coming over the border are people whose grandparents or great-grandparents arrived on a boat in the 19th Century.
got the BNP leaflet and a Socialist party (not labour of course) leaflet. Both went on the fire, left/right all extremists who will tell you how you will live. Give me this disjointed pile of crap for a system over over any of the political views with an "ist" at the end.
Just to be clear, I haven't ever voted BNP, never will vote BNP and am against everything the ****tards stand for however:
Look just be frank, if you vote for the BNP it's because you're racist/extremist or a Nazi. Nazi-racists vote BNP.
This statement is almost as stupid as the shit they come out with. I am sure that Nazi-racists vote for Conversative and UKIP as well, so if you vote for them are you a racist Nazi as well?
and on a lighter note:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/celebrity/mystery-surrounds-bnp-invite-to-palace-200905211776/
richc - MemberJust to be clear, I haven't ever voted BNP, never will vote BNP and am against everything the ****tards stand for however:
Look just be frank, if you vote for the BNP it's because you're racist/extremist or a Nazi. Nazi-racists vote BNP.
This statement is almost as stupid as the shit they come out with. I am sure that Nazi-racists vote for Conversative and UKIP as well, so if you vote for them are you a racist Nazi as well?
The BNP are a racist extremist party-everyone knows that and their voters know that. So stop sticking up for them.
Reply to Zaskar (above)
The NMC code of conduct doesnt explicitly say you are forbidden to join the however your it does say in your "professional practise" your care should be equal
http://www.nmc-uk.org/aArticle.aspx?ArticleID=3429&Keyword=bnp
the key words in the code of conduct I beleive are "equality" and "diversity"
The weirdest thing about the whole thing was that it was just after a lecture about diversity that the students said this : ) heheheh the next three years are going to be fun
I'm no racist; I'm not keen on Polish or Muslims
You sound like a muddled sort of chap.
I am not sticking up for them, and I am just trying to point out that sticking your head in the ground and saying 'they are racist nazi's, and anyone who votes for them is a racist nazi' is oversimplifying matters just a little bit.
Anyhow I can't be arsed with this anymore, as people understandability have such strong views on this that they become very narrow minded and will not accept any opinions other than there own, and just end up chanting 'racist' and/or 'nazi' like a two year old.
I will however repeat, I don't vote BNP, will never vote BNP, will argue for ****ing hours with anyone who does vote BNP to try and talk them around to rational thought and debunk any of the bullshit they have swallowed.
I wonder how many on here arguing this have actually bothered to read there leaflet. I did - had never had one before, and was fascinated to see what it had to say. Was worryingly good - sure you could see straight through it if you paid attention, but it would be very easy from that leaflet to get the impression that they weren't racist at all, and just had very sensible views, the like of which a lot of quite ordinary straight thinking people would agree with. Hence richc is spot on - there are plenty of people voting for them who aren't racist nazis.
[i]Was worryingly good[/i]
I utterly despise the boneheaded ****tards - and their crass "understanding" of this country's history.
The leaflet that came thru my door had some made-up quote from "a doctor", bemoaning the impact of immigration upon the NHS. That would be the same NHS that has been staffed (and sustained) by vast numbers of skilled foreign nurses and medics, ever since its inception.
Their arguments must be heard and debunked. Simply putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "Nazi" will not fix the problem. Allow Griffin on Question Time etc and let them speak. It's like knowing you're going to be sick but avoiding the gurgling stomach, you know it has to happen before you will recover. The big three parties are ignoring real issues and this is allowing the BNP to make real progress. This proves that the "fingers in the ears" approach isn't working. If their arguments can be ripped to shreds then what on earth is there to be worried about? The current approach is drawing them more support so it aint working is it?
Oh and before you respond, get stuffed RB.
noteeth:
The leaflet that came thru my door had some made-up quote from "a doctor", bemoaning the impact of immigration upon the NHS.
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the same NHS that has been staffed (and sustained) by vast numbers of skilled foreign nurses and medics, ever since its inception.
It's funny how they use that example. Many of these medical staff we are referring to are from developing nations, many of them having been trained at home on their own countries limited resources only to up and leave for a better income and standard of living here, thus impoverising the developing nations further.
I didn't know the BNP had such an element of international altruism.
The BNP aren't worthy of 2 pages worth of bandwidth.
A BNP vote is a wasted vote.
The end.
A BNP vote is a wasted vote.
I hope you're right Mike, I really do.
Personally I've already started nagging mates and family to get out there and vote on the 4th of June as if they don't, then voter apathy could well hand them quite a few seats.
there are plenty of people voting for them who aren't racist nazis.
Yep, agreed. Don't ever underestimate how ill-informed some people can be. Whilst undoubtedly all BNP members are indisputably racists, you would be surprised just how many people are seduced by their lies. The BNP [i]always[/i] publicly claims to be non-racist.
And at the other end of the scale I've known plenty of working-class people to claim that they are racist, when in fact they're not.
Many a time I've challenged a racist remark with a comment like, "what about your mate Mick, he's black ?" and I've got an answer back "yeah but that's Mick - he's different" then I say "what about Mr & Mrs Patel at the **** shop - do you want to send them back ?" and I get "No, no, not them - they're ok, I like them"......and so on. And I think, wake up mate, you're not a ****ing racist.
Middle-class people generally know full well that racism is unacceptable, and therefore go to great lengths to deny that they are racist, even though they often clearly are. Which is probably why just about everyone on here has denounced the BNP, including those which I would put down as probable racists. And those 'probable racists' have felt that the best that they could achieve, was to remind everyone that whilst they didn't support the BNP, the BNP had a right to express there views and should be given the opportunity to speak. The big give away is when those same people, don't feel the need to extend those same rights, to militant muslims.
On the other hand [i]some[/i] working class feel that it is their duty to proudly announce that they racist, even though they might not be. Plus it has the added advantage of not appearing 'politically correct', something which the gutter-press claims is wicked and unacceptable. Although in my experience working-class people are hugely more tolerant of other people's race, class, and religion, than many middle-class people are.
Ernie,how can you say I've missed the point and that it's just the tip of the iceberg?? I know exactly what sort of people we're dealing with.....but the "respectable" parties have kept the Telegraph going for nearly two weeks with their swindling.
Away from the middle/chattering classes...and MTB forums 😉 the BNP do have sympathisers,scarey but true.
the "respectable" parties have kept the Telegraph going for nearly two weeks with their swindling.
TBH, and [i]I am[/i] being honest ..... I am not hugely bothered by some Tory grandee claiming a few bob for having his moat cleaned. I am however, [i]hugely[/i] bothered by a criminal thug getting elected onto a council or the European Parliament.
Ernie,it might not bother you,or Stephen Fry :P,but it has pissed a lot of people off. Maybe you're out of kilter with the general consensus.
....And what about UKIP? racists from "nicer" backgrounds and more expensive suits?
I think you've summed up UKIP very nicely there Young Dave riley 8)
Although in my experience working-class people are hugely more tolerant of other people's race, class, and religion, than many middle-class people are.
Yeah, bloody intolerant middle class - they're the ones to blame, the intolerant ****ers. I really hate their intolerance.
FFS.
How did CRASS so eloquently put it? "Middle class, working class, it's all a load of shit."
Thanks for pointing out to me that we in fact live in a classless society andrew.
I don't know how I came to be so confused.
I find it reassuring that people who like bikes tend to not like racists. lovely stuff
Give me a hard working,tax paying,contributing "immigrant" any day of the week over a white,beer swilling,unemployed/unemployable scrounger....even if he can drink 10 pints and wears union jack shorts !
Thanks for pointing out to me that we in fact live in a classless society
Um, that's not what was being pointed out. What was being pointed out was that false categories which are treated as natural, biological traits are effective at dividing people and breeding hatred. Class, like race, is one of them and one used to divide people and breed hatred and mistrust. That's not the same as saying we live in a classless society.
roddersrambler - i agree totally, if immigrants want to come here to improve their lives great, they are the ones that keep this country running as the most of the unemployed here wouldn't do their jobs for anything.
There was a program on tv here a while back interviewing people in peterborough. The local scum refused to work on the land have seemed particularly interested in the good wages. Once they found out what the job was they said they would rather be on JSA.
In my mind can we swap immigrants for the ones who refuse to work.
Those who cannot work for real reasons are entitled to help, it could happen to anyone.
Couldn't agree less andrew. Classes aren't 'false categories' they are real - as real as racial categories. And recognising them need not 'breed hatred and mistrust'. As the divisions already exist, recognising classes does not mean that it is 'used to divide people' in a negative way. Ignoring class differences is not helpful and does not contribute to progress.
Classes aren't 'false categories' they are real - as real as racial categories.
So, um, racial differences are real are they? That puts you squarely in the BNP camp which is somewhere I doubt you'd want to be; 'race' is an invention of 19th century pseudo sciences with roots in physiognomy and was solidified as a set of categories in works such as John Beddoe’s (1862) The Races of Man (with a measure of 'nigressence') or J. C. Nott and G. R. Gliddon's (1868) Indigenous Races of the Earth. 'Science' created and categorised racial difference. The construction of racial categories *did* precede this and most contemporary commentators tend to agree that the 'othering' (see Edward Said, Orientalism) of Sub-Saharan peoples coincided with and was used to legitimise Europe's widescale early modern adoption of slavery. Nonetheless it was during the 19th century that scientific 'proof' consolidated 'race' as a viable category. It still persists, particularly in psychology: articles published in the last couple of years by Linda Gottfredson, J. Philippe Rushton and Arthur Jenson use racial genetic difference as an explanation of intelligence differences between populations. They are, of course, marginal figures and their findings rejected but it is wrong to suggest that 'race' is 'unscientific'. Science helped to create 'race' and scientists persist in attempting to maintain it.
Class, equally, is a concept used by self-serving powermongers on the right and left to divide and rule people. Whether it be the Leninist dreamer who revels in the image of them leading the vanguard (because the scum can't be trusted to lead themselves) or the Thatcherite who promulgates the idea of a 'classless society' (and thereby relying utterly on the discursive categories of 'class' to maintain their rhetoric).
Just as the effects of 'race' are real, the effects of 'class' are also real but that doesn't make the categories real it simply shows them to be ideological. There is no innate biological 'class'. It is not written into our DNA, it is not something we have at birth. We are taught the illusions as we grow and they become one amongst many prisonhouses for our minds. There is no freedom that will come from placing people in false categories be they 'race', 'class', 'nation' or whatever.
[i]So, um, racial differences are real are they?[/i]
Chances are that come the next Olympics all the finalists in the 100m running will be black and all the finalists in the 100m swimming will be white. So yes, as un-PC as it might be there are differences between races. It comes down to whether you use those differences to promote hatred, or whether you celebrate the fact we're all different.