Of course it is, why else would you be vegan?
They probably have iPhones as well.
substitute the mice for either Quorn mince or other beans / pulses / veg.
You are Mr.Jinks and I claim my five pounds.
[i]shepherds pie, Bolognaise, chilli[/i]
As these are all variations on a theme, puy lentils are a great substitute for mince. As long as you don't mind the farting.
I think this is mentioned above (the lentils, not the farting).
You are Mr.Jinks and I claim my five pounds.
😆 I completely missed that.
I'll give you an example. A couple of years back I went out for an evening meal with a new team down South. I'm self-conscious about eating generally, I'm aware I'm a bit unusual with food and the idea of having to dine in public with a bunch of people I barely know fills me with dread. Halfway through the main course my new boss goes, "hey, where's your meat?" Cue a half hour discussion from two thirds of the table about the merits of meat, how they couldn't do it, how they could do it but they like bacon too much, what's my reasoning, oh, well, here's why your reasons are wrong, we're designed to eat meat, do you eat fish, yeah but your shoes are leather, so what do you eat then, if you eat fake chicken you might as well eat real chicken, my cousin's mate's hairdresser is a vegetarian and she gets a kebab when she's pissed, where do you get protein, where do you get vitamins, that sounds really unhealthy, I bet you want to eat meat really, vegetarians are so preachy, blah blah sodding blah pass the bingo card. I wanted to say, will you please just **** off and leave me alone, eat your precious diced baa-lamb if it makes you happy, mine's going cold. What I really want is to be the centre of attention when I'm eating in front of near-strangers, it's my favouritest thing evar.
having been through this kind of thing on probably a dozen occasions over the last 25+ years of being vegan has certainly not done my social anxiety/introvert personality any favours at all.
ironic that my chosen screen name here (and other places) betrays my fear of all that unwanted attention really...
As a matter of interest....are there any (politically) right wing leaning Vegans in the Forum, or is it a typical left wing hand wringing trait?
That's two fairly small demographics on STW you're looking at there I'd hazard, I don't think the vocal members of the forum will be overly representative of society as a whole.
I'd expect that people who are vegan for ethical reasons (which I suspect is the majority) would have similar ethics in other areas which would thus preclude them from being racist fascist cockbags, but I don't doubt there's some vegan Brexiteering UKIPpers also. People, innit.
I'm veggie and reasonably left wing, I've never wrung my hands though, dies that count?
We've not got the strength to, apparently.
Rockape63 - does this help with your theories? ;D
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism
Yes I know that's not vegan, but hey...
To balance that out I'm a radical lefty vegan though... 🙂
maybe relevant
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/12/big-in-israel-vegan-warriors/413149/
are there any (politically) right wing leaning Vegans in the Forum, or is it a typical left wing hand wringing trait?
So its a 'No' so far then? 🙂
I'm not a lefty hand wringer but reductionist arseholes might call me one. I don't know, I don't control how others view me.
If I was to give myself a title (which I avoid, as philosophy should evolve with one's experiences and understanding) I would probably call myself a green libertarian with anarchist/localist leanings.
But you will probably just see that as being a lefty hand wringer, because you're coming across as the sort of person that calls everyone who isn't the same as you a lefty hand wringer.
Which is fine, I don't care, I'll still be your friend.
Hmm, it's an odd one. Vegan cafe opposite my local pub sells donors made with the fake chicken made by the Vegetarian Butcher company. It's [i]too[/i] real (bearing in mind I was probably 14 last time I ate meat), does not feel right... it's even slightly gristly. It doesn't have to look like chicken IMO, same as I don't really want plant milks to be white and creamy. They could be grey or blue for all I care.
But.. I am not the future of veganism.
Asked my pet vegan if she was was a 'lefty hand-wringer and she said 'it sounds like a bunch of assholes on there'.
I think my interest is more in whether to stick to your personal ethics/morals or change them. There's a whole spectrum of personality traits spanning from hand wringing- to taking action- to doing nothing/ambivalent - whether left or right-leaning?
Asked my pet vegan if she was was a 'lefty hand-wringer and she said 'it sounds like a bunch of assholes on there'.
Is that a yes?
Is that a yes?
I guess so, if you view her dismissiveness as evidence of her 'hand-wringing' (excessive displays of concern or distress) except that then your dismissiveness re vegans would similarly be evidence of your hand-wringing?
Or something.
Asked my pet vegan if she was was a 'lefty hand-wringer and she said 'it sounds like a bunch of assholes on there'.
Did you compliment her on her powers of perception?
Did you compliment her on her powers of perception?
Yeah but what use are these powers if she married one 😀
I think I know what you mean but bravado's not the right word.
Willy waving?
my son is a bit picky, actually very picky! Family meals would typically be shepherds pie, Bolognaise, chilli, curries, casseroles... just average family meals. Dairy isn't off the menu yet, but I do plan to reduce and hopefully give it up.
I have a few tips
If the mash is boring add tinned coconut cream to fatten it/make it more interesting in place of butter
'Pure' soy spread serves well for regular spread
Marmite is a great thing to have around for adding salty tasty zing where required. Also use more honey/sugar in recipes where meat or dairy may have increased the sweetness.
Look for a tub of Nutritional Yeast Flakes (savoury) - a handful of these in a soy mince or puy lentil bolognaise/cottage pie will bring all the sauce flavours together and you get a 'tang' of Vit B12 and a cheesy sort of flavour which often lacks in veggie/vegan recipes. These make a big difference.
Cook some pearl barley and add to dishes as a simple carb filler or in place of rice.
Look to indian recipes IMO Indian cooking offers some of the tastiest veggie food and easy to adapt to vegan. Again - coconut cream is v handy where no butter used.*
Edit. *And Italian
I almost never eat a traditional UK/British meal tbh and it is all middle eastern and curries.
Many more recipes and variety as ours is a meat and two veg diet in the main - not saying we dont have good food but the list of vegan meals is not long.
I suspect you will find caring folk tend to not be right wing asshats.are there any (politically) right wing leaning Vegans in the Forum, or is it a typical left wing hand wringing trait?
I almost never eat a traditional UK/British meal tbh and it is all middle eastern and curries.
Been back for a curry in Dumfries and Galloway yet? 😉
erm NO
"she discovered it made a brilliant facial"
Pet Vegan? Sounds like a interesting career change for me. Pay any good?
Pet Vegan? Sounds like a interesting career change for me. Pay any good?
See bigjim's post.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/14/vegan-single-mum-drinks-sperm-smoothies-every-morning-to-give-her-energy-6257252/
Poor friend, I'll bet she never collects it from him herself straight from the source.
"‘My other mates think I’m strange, but I don’t give a toss."
😆
I am finding the prospect of relearning to cook quite daunting
A problem I never had 🙂
Cooking habits pre-vegan (admittedly I was a 1st year student): Frying sausages, bacon (sorry, didn't want to mention it again), fish fingers, burgers and chips. I could also put a frozen pizza in an oven.
Cooking habits post vegan: Mexican, Italian, Thai, Chinese, Indian, Middle Eastern, Japanese. I also learned to make proper gravy, cakes, pizza dough and various other stuff.
[rightwinghandwringer]^ So basically became a woman? Unless you work as a chef. But let's imagine you aren't a chef. So you became a woman. All you need to figure out now is when to start 'collecting' that post-vegan protein? 😉 [/rightwinghandwringer]
I also learned to make proper gravy...
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It isn't daunting in itself, but I literally have no spare time. You can make certain things on autopilot while looking after demanding young children, not so easy with new recipes.
Bagstard, maybe start out by adapting your existing repertoire (ie a cottage pie now filled with carrots, mushrooms with soya mince or dk green lentils and topped with a vegan mash (ie mashed potato mixed with coconut cream/savoury yeast flakes), then throw in a few time-saving easy-pleasers such as simple curry recipes that take very little time to prep ie:
[url] http://www.food.com/recipe/pumpkin-banana-and-chickpea-curry-52807?ftab=reviews#activity-feed [/url]
Just occured to me that as currys can stand or fall by the quality of the sauteed onions (and who has 30 mins to constantly stir/sauté onions?) I wonder if these can be done in big batches and frozen?
PS soy and/or lentil and veg shepherd's pie does really well with a tablespoon of mint sauce in the sauce/gravy, along with teaspoon of yeast extract and a teaspoon of sugar. I often make quick gravy either with granules or powdered bouillon (Marigold low salt is a good one) and then augment per dish ie if with vegan sausage then add browned/caramelised onions and mustard, if with shepherds pie then as mentioned, etc...
Just remembered home made vegan rice pud.
Prep as if making a dairy one but instead of milk add approx 70% Koko brand milk to 30% tinned coconut milk/cream, whisked together well before putting with rice. Flavour with a dash of almond essence and nutmeg and bake until done.
More time-saving tips:
Jars of prepared garlic and ginger paste in oil usually available at bigger supermarkets in Asian sections, or local Asian shops. Perfect for quick currys just add to the hot oil/onions/spices and stir for 30 secs before adding the bulk of the curry ingredients.
Quick burgers - Granose burger mix - a little water, savoury yeast flakes and prepared (non-cream) horseradish with a little sugar. Make into balls then flatten/rotate with one hand while patting/maintaining edges with a spatula. Fry in oil and top with dill pickle, salad and vegan mayo/ketchup.
If cooking bolognaise sauce make triple and freeze 2 for future weeks. That's two meal preps ahead of self
curious about vegan ethics, why is it wrong to use animal products but ok to use a computer, or drive, or use synthetic materials,etc all things that will have resulted in the destruction of the natural environment?
I know you can say that killing a cow for meat you are directly responsible, and that no one intended for an oil tanker to run aground off the Cornish coast.
In that sense, it's impossible to be truly vegan in the modern world unless you go and live in a hippie commune foraging for nuts and berries. There will always be compromise, but that doesn't mean there isn't merit in best endeavours. For instance, if you need a car but are concerned about pollution, you can get a small hybrid rather than a V6.
Different folk will do different things anyway. In the same way that, I don't know, not all meat eaters eat beef say, individual veggies / vegans will choose what is and isn't acceptable or desirable. What I'm prepared to compromise on, others may not.
curious about vegan ethics, why is it wrong to use animal products but ok to use a computer, or drive, or use synthetic materials,etc all things that will have resulted in the destruction of the natural environment?
[rightwinghandwringer]. I totally get that. Vegans are hypocrites. It's like a meat-eater refusing to cage dogs and then eat them (nasty Chinese habit), yet them seem quite happy to use a PC or iPhone (Chinese slave-labour) to order another equaliy sentient factory-raised mammal to be slaughtered.
In fact why would anyone with any ethical concerns whatsoever support such products/mass pollution?
The only thing a vegan can do to reduce pollution AND animal suffering is to wear wool given freely by free-range sheep who live in a warm country (so don't require their own wool). The sheep are not aware of their wool disappearing as the wool is clipped in small amounts every day by invisible fairies who also eat wild grain and then poo in the woods. If you don't do this then WHY NOT EAT BACON? Answer me that, hypocrite vegans? You 'Save The Dogs' freaks are a total joke with your hemp iPad covers. [/rightwinghandwringer]
MrMo, watch [url= http://www.cowspiracy.com/ ]Cowspiracy[/url] and see if that answers your question. Which would benefit the environment more - quitting our car addiction, or ceasing to farm animals for their meat and milk?
Though tbh I'm not sure why being vegan requires me to give a fig about rising sea levels or starving children in far flung places (not saying I don't, of course). I went vegan before its environmental and health benefits were widely known; I would have done it even if the impact on my heath were detrimental. But I'm irrelevant; a dinosaur. The wave of vacuous instagram vegan gym bunnies probably don't care about animal welfare nor environment issues and why should they?
How hectic is your life that you can't learn a new recipe or follow a guide, even with kids is easily achievable.
Thanks for that Malvern Rider, some helpful suggestions there.
Bagstard, the first thing I ever made myself was a lentil curry recipe I found on the back of the packet of lentils. I still make (a modified vrsion of) it today because it takes 15 minutes - which is about all the time I have between getting home from training and picking up the wee'an from the bus stop at lunch time. Failing that, I can always stick some Fry's sausages under the grill but I really don't like doing so - expensive and not that good for a 3yo. Prefer him to have proper food.
Drac, out of bed at 5am, start work at 6, home at 2.30 to walk the dog, collect son at 3.15, back home around 3.35, settle him with a snack and go to my home gym until 4.50, collect other son from nursery, home around 5.30 to make them both dinner, check homework, bath, stories, bed at 7, have dinner and spend some time with my wife, bed at 9.30.
This doesn't include swimming lessons etc and having my childrens friends thrown into the mix. There just isn't much free time with a young family.
Even though my wife is of Indian descent, neither of us like eating curry that often, once a week is maximum for me really.
daz, re the vegan doner kebab question- well, look here:
[url= http://fatgayvegan.com/2016/08/05/vegan-doner-kebab-in-london/ ]kebabish?[/url]
