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Made from ‘mungo’ beans according to the photo. Mary and Midge would approve.
I’d be interested to give ‘em a go.
Does this mean the vegan option is now the same as the vegetarian option?
An omelette?
I’d be interested to give ‘em a go
I will stick with Aquafaba for all my Vegan bakes for now,but please leave feedback on how your 'omelette' works out 😉 🤣
So an ultra processed substitute for a natural product. No thanks
So an ultra processed substitute for a natural product. No thanks
You're going to shit yourself when you find out about bananas and lemons.
You're going to shit yourself when you find out about bananas and lemons.
I'm not following - what's ultra processed about them?
As a vegan the only thing I really miss is a nice poached egg. This looks like it will be good for omelettes and scrambled eggs.
Will probably give it a try but I really like scrambled tofu so can't see myself switching long term. And for baking I normally use aquafaba so will probably stick with that.
I’m diary free so I eat plenty of vegan options … but some of it is just ultra processed and grim… most vegan “cheese”
I'm not following - what's ultra processed about them?
Lemons don't exist in nature, they're a man-made hybrid.
Bananas - the ones we eat here - are essentially clones, they can't reproduce. They all come from one strain, Cavendish. (IIRC, banana flavouring comes from a different strain which is why banana sweets don't really taste much like bananas.)
Just a couple of examples off the top of my head, I'm far from an expert here but I'm sure there's many more. Your "natural" food probably isn't as unsullied as you think it is.
I'm not following - what's ultra processed about them?
Lemons don't exist in nature, they're a man-made hybrid.
Bananas - the ones we eat here - are essentially clones, they can't reproduce. They all come from one strain, Cavendish. (IIRC, banana flavouring comes from a different strain which is why banana sweets don't really taste much like bananas.)
Just a couple of examples off the top of my head, I'm far from an expert here but I'm sure there's many more. Your "natural" food probably isn't as unsullied as you think it is.
Genetically modified via selective breeding over many years, yes, but not processed, well, unless you wizz them up in a blender, then they are processed and GM!!!! won't somebody think of the children!? 🍔 🍟 🍕
Genetically modified via selective breeding over many years, yes, but not processed
I was replying to the "natural" claim really, I should've chosen my quoting better. It was chrismac who pulled "ultra-processed" out of his arse without any further qualification.
Are these vegan eggs "ultra-processed"? Does that make them inherently bad, or is it just a lazy argument to beat on vegans / vegan-friendly food developments (because why else would he even be reading this anyway)? Is there anything particularly natural about human beings eating unfertilised chicken ovulations?
Can someone mention "chemicals" next perhaps, I'll almost have a complete line on my Bingo card then.
IIRC, banana flavouring comes from a different strain which is why banana sweets don't really taste much like bananas.
That'll be the Big Mike banana, which got nearly wiped out by a disease in the 1950's
Are these vegan eggs "ultra-processed"?
From what I've read they appear to fall into the "processed" category as do many foods we eat. UPFs are the ones which are stuffed full of rubbish to make them "moreish". In small quantities they are unlikely to do any harm but as your main diet they are unhealthy.
Is there anything particularly natural about human beings eating unfertilised chicken ovulations?
Given that as a species we are omnivores I would say it's perfectly natural yes.
Quick question for Vegans.
When my wife is cooking bacon I love the smell and it makes my mouth water with anticipation.
Do you get he same when someone mows their lawn?
That'll be the Big Mike banana, which got nearly wiped out by a disease in the 1950's
I recently saw the explanation of that.
Disease ravaged the 'bike mike' strain, and to save the banana trade they looked at all the strains and picked one that closely matched the big mike for taste, sweetness etc, that being Cavendish.
But the point of the story was by sticking to the one strain, they are setting themselves up for another banana disease, that if it develops will wipe out the Cavendish strain, and kill the trade.
Unless of course they develop something to combat it.
PS. It's 'Mung' beans. Mungo is the patron saint of Glasgow 😉
The whole Big Mie / Cavendish thing is a problem for lots of industries.
The most profitable thing for your particular company is to to X (Grow Cavendish) but the best thing for your industry is to have a diversity of options. Do you make your company less profitable by growing a banana that is less profitable and might not even sell because it isn't what everyone expects?
People want a banana to taste like a banana but the only banana they have ever tasted is a Cavendish so they want that type of banana and anything else is wrong or inferior.
Imagine if it was the same for cheese...
Are these vegan eggs "ultra-processed"?
I haven't read the article as it's behind a paywall but I can't see how the mungo beans can't have gone through multiple processes to apparently vaguely resemble chicken eggs.
Surely if they haven't been significantly processed it will be just a case of eating mungo beans and eggs don't need to be mentioned?
The comparison with bananas and lemons is just weird. You buy a bunch of bananas, clones or not, and they definitely haven't been processed. Nor have lemons. Apples you buy are almost all hybrid but fresh fruit cannot, by definition , be classed as processed food.
So an ultra processed substitute for a natural product. No thanks
I haven't read the article as it's behind a paywall
The comparison with bananas and lemons is just weird.
Again, the comparison was around use of the word "natural."
I'll just leave this here...
Yup harsh as it is, it is probably pretty humane as it goes.Instantaneous.
While nobody is preventing people from choosing a vegetarian lifestyle, its not wholly without its problems.
Chickens are one thing, but they aren't responsible for the loss of pollinators.
So I'll just leave this here ...
Several insecticides used on crops are considered dangerous due to their potential harm to human health and the environment.Some notable examples include neonicotinoids, organophosphates, and pyrethroids.These insecticides can have negative impacts on pollinators like bees, and some have been linked to cancer, neurological damage, and endocrine disruption
I haven't read the article as it's behind a paywall but I can't see how the mungo beans can't have gone through multiple processes to apparently vaguely resemble chicken eggs.
I don't think there's much resemblance, it's a liquid poured from a bottle. If it's anything like the homemade plant based eggs it'll be a bit meh
While nobody is preventing people from choosing a vegetarian lifestyle, its not wholly without its problems.
Which also applies to livestock feed.
While nobody is preventing people from choosing a vegetarian lifestyle, its not wholly without its problems.
Chickens are one thing, but they aren't responsible for the loss of pollinators.
So I'll just leave this here ...
One of the first things you learn if you take on a vegan lifestyle is to prepare yourself to be accused of hypocrisy for not living a life pure as the driven snow, free of any impact. The ignorance in the 'accuser' is the crushing naivety that I don't know that already! People who make these decisions for ethical (animal welfare or environmental or both) think about this stuff and read up about this stuff way way more than your average member of the population. No one is a harsher critic of a vegan for not doing more or still having a negative impact on the planet or fellow creatures than themselves.
So my response to this is .......you really think I don't know this already?
The environmental and animal welfare impact of growing a plant based diet is way more than I'm comfortable with. The only comfort is knowing that counter intuitively the crops grown to sustain me is orders of magnitude less than that needed to sustain the western lifestyle meat eater I could have been.
Yup harsh as it is, it is probably pretty humane as it goes.Instantaneous.
Bit of a stretch of the word humane. Whether the death is instantaneous or not, it's the fate of a lifeform to be brought into this world to simply be ground up alive without any chance at life by a machine made by humans? That's humane?
Yours,
a chicken & egg eater.
The environmental and animal welfare impact of growing a plant based diet is way more than I'm comfortable with. The only comfort is knowing that counter intuitively the crops grown to sustain me is orders of magnitude less than that needed to sustain the western lifestyle meat eater I could have been.
I was just thinking about the numerous times the topic of environmental impact of growing crops to feed humans, or livestock pops up and how much UK farmland is used for livestock feed comes up. WWF have done a piece on that fairly recently.
https://www.wwf.org.uk/press-release/transform-uk-farmland-boost-food-resilience
Wheat and barley grown to feed farmed animals in the UK uses 2 million hectares of land - 40% of the UK’s arable land area.
Wheat grown in the UK each year to feed livestock (primarily chickens and pigs), makes up half of our annual wheat harvest and would be enough to produce nearly 11 billion loaves of bread.[1,2]
Oats grown in the UK to feed livestock each year makes up a third of our annual oat harvest and would be enough to produce nearly 6 billion bowls of porridge.
The UK imports large quantities of soy to feed pigs and poultry, fuelling the destruction of precious habitats overseas, like the Brazilian Cerrado.
some have been linked to cancer, neurological damage, and endocrine disruption
Ah, "linked to."
In unrelated news, has anyone heard from jivehoneyjive lately?
In unrelated news, has anyone heard from jivehoneyjive lately?
Probably better posting a thread on it, rather than tacked onto the end of this one.
Hope he's ok though. Kind of goes as we age, you dont hear from someone for a time and worry something might have happened to them, and the reason for the sudden thought is not a good one.
Ahh 'linked to'
Come on now old chap, lets not be disingenuous 'linked to is pretty much an acceptance that there is a link worth taking note of, and not just dismissing.
Lead pipes in houses 'linked to' health issues. Certain drugs linked to health problems in pregnancy etc etc.
Bit of a stretch of the word humane. Whether the death is instantaneous or not, it's the fate of a lifeform to be brought into this world to simply be ground up alive without any chance at life by a machine made by humans? That's humane?
Horrifying as it is, and it is horrifying, its certainly a lot quicker than the old method of drowning them. Thank god for the EU for giving the British meat industry a sharp kick up the backside. There were many traditional methods used in industry that were far from humane
They pretty much put a stop to those practices.
Having worked and studied at the sharp end i wholly agree, killing animals for food while natural, is indeed horrifying to contemplate.
But it is what it is, and we could get into the argument on how we would feed the other 78% who are omnivores
Do we have enough arable land ?. would the weather be kind enough not to destroy large swathes of crops, possibly leading to a bit of a famine, which tbf when it comes to barmy weather, the UK fairly tops the list
Ironically, "putting all of ones eggs in one basket" isn't something we should look to be doing for the sake of the minority, no matter how passionate they are about animal welfare.
Perrhaps one day they will be able to grow it in a laboratory, and I for one would welcome such technology.
I used to get into long discussions with me old mate Dave on this subject. Despite both of us being omnivores, we would mull over the moral implications of killing for food and the technology we have and whether it should be expanded, as we are now seeing these days with lab* grown meat protein.
* Calm down doggie lovers, I'm referring to laboratory not Labradors.
I believe the latter tends to be a bit fatty.
Do we have enough arable land ?. would the weather be kind enough not to destroy large swathes of crops, possibly leading to a bit of a famine, which tbf when it comes to barmy weather, the UK fairly tops the list
Same for the livestock feed covering 40% of arable land...
You could have a reasonably credible position of "I'll only eat Beef and Lamb that are wholly grass fed". But I'm not sure the UK as a whole is ready to ditch bacon sarnies or chicken anytime soon. (Ignoring personal ethics and just thinking of food security)
Let's assume for a moment that we turn over that 40% to producing wheat and oats for bread and porridge. Is there a demand for that much bread and porridge?
I don't think there's a rule meaning you can only grow two crops. Not that it matters, as Pork and Chicken farming are going to continue.
I don't think there's a rule meaning you can only grow two crops. Not that it matters, as Pork and Chicken farming are going to continue.
Let's assume for a moment that we turn over that 40% to producing wheat and oats for bread and porridge. Is there a demand for that much bread and porridge?
Probably not and we will end up just handing the land back to nature....... what then?!?!?
Is there a demand for that much bread and porridge?
As said, that's making an assumption that the land is unsuitable to grow anything else. Or the land used for human equivalent crop consumption* could not grow anything else. Or the land previously used to grow the animals could not be used for something else.
It's obviously a lot more complicated than that and to a certain extent the whole thing is symbiotic and would need remodelled. But folk way clever than me put pretty substantial figures on how much cultivated land could be returned to nature or how much more self sustaining nations like the UK could be for food, or both.
* Tbh this isn't really a thing most of the time - it's more a case that the worst quality 40% goes into animal consumption rather than farmers necessarily going out to grow it specifically for that purpose.
While nobody is preventing people from choosing a vegetarian lifestyle, its not wholly without its problems
Flatulence?
Herbivore farts are always so much more pleasant than the farts of meat eaters such as dogs, or humans.
And have you ever smelt a pigeon's fart? No? I rest my case.
One of the first things you learn if you take on a vegan lifestyle is to prepare yourself to be accused of hypocrisy for not living a life pure as the driven snow, free of any impact.
When faced with someone who doesn't eat meat there does seem to be an overwhelming urge to point-score for many people, like whichever twerp it was who felt the need to make the "yes but bacon / eating grass" comment of which I'm still recovering both from its hilarity and its originality.
Come on now old chap, lets not be disingenuous 'linked to is pretty much an acceptance that there is a link worth taking note of, and not just dismissing.
Is it though?
In isolation it's meaningless. Some things which have been "linked to" other things have indeed turned out to be true of course, but things get "linked to" other things all the time, especially if it makes for a juicy headline or generates clicks. And of course, some people just want to watch the world burn.
Whilst not normally an area I know much about I happened to be out in America when the ZOMG FERTILISER IS KILLING BEES story broke over here so I watched a couple of documentaries about it. There were a lot of people saying it was nonsense at the time, but as it turned out those "links" do appear to have been valid. There have been multiple studies and its banning was backed by Defra and the HSE. Amusingly (unless you're a bee), Gove promised that brexit would 'allow' us to ban it; instead the brexit benefit we actually received was that whilst the EU subsequently banned the use of neonicotinoid pesticides the UK did not. That decision was finally overturned just this year, something that the "what do you expect from Labour" brigade have been strangely quiet about. I guess they were probably too busy intercepting charity rowers to notice.
But.
That doesn't mean we can just backfill "linked to" between things whenever we please without further qualification, that's Daily Mail territory. Linked by whom? On what basis? The UK Expert Committee on Pesticides or some bloke in the street going "I haven't seen many bees this year, makes you think"? You can't just "leave this here" without telling us what you're leaving.
Thank god for the EU for giving the British meat industry a sharp kick up the backside. There were many traditional methods used in industry that were far from humane
They pretty much put a stop to those practices.
Odd, I thought we'd left and could do what we wanted now.
Do we have enough arable land ?
I read a "what if..." article in New Scientist several years ago. Their conclusion was that as of today (ie, when printed) there is insufficient arable-capable land mass to support a wholly vegetarian population. So as how evil we may or may not think using animals for food is, it is as far as I'm aware a necessary one.
Assuming the article to be true - I've no reason to think that the NS would lie but it's possible to be wrong and it was a while ago now that I read it - it's one reason (amongst many) that I think the Meat Is Murder types do more harm than good. Their cause is laudable but their methods are questionable and their end goal in untenable.
Assuming the article to be true
A friend in North Yorkshire married a potato farmer, his crop is almost exclusively sent for either cheap oven ready chips, or crisps. As the soil just isn't that good. They're nutritionally quite poor.
We don't t grow enough livestock feed either.
If you're recalling an article from years ago, I do recommend taking a look at the WWF report linked in the article I shared up thread. Although it's not a 5 minute read.
his crop is almost exclusively sent for either cheap oven ready chips, or crisps
So critical national infrastructure then?