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 J-R
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/23/wagner-chief-accuses-moscow-of-lying-to-public-about-ukraine-yevgeny-prigozhin

Meanwhile is this a chink of good news about cracks opening up in the Russian leadership? I expect Prigozhin feels comfortable he’s not about to fall out a high window or succumb to a sudden fatal illness. But plenty of other Russian billionaires have thought the same


 
Posted : 23/06/2023 7:01 pm
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https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1672332432706781185

Russian FSB going after Wagner head for not letting his mercenarys get brought into Russian control.


 
Posted : 23/06/2023 10:21 pm
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It's all kicking off between Wagner and the Russian Army. Claims that Wagner positions have been shelled by Russian artillery and now this. If this is true, Prigozhin is openly calling for armed insurrection against the Kremlin.  Russian milblogger telegram channels are going mental!

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672338029355102210?t=6XC5fYepYsfDdwbDYsooCg&s=19


 
Posted : 23/06/2023 10:27 pm
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Calling Putin week Jesus wept.

Russia going back to Peter the great before our eyes.


 
Posted : 23/06/2023 10:30 pm
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If Emily Maitlis is tweeting about this, it's got to be legit right?

https://twitter.com/maitlis/status/1672341013451382785?s=20


 
Posted : 23/06/2023 10:35 pm
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You don't have to look too far to find either Prigozhin's latest vlog or analysis of it in western media. He's a member of the Russian siloviki who are influential Russians with power and PMCs, here's another article... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/09/russian-armed-forces-infighting-yevgeny-prigozhin


 
Posted : 23/06/2023 10:44 pm
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Bonkers if true!

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672329674729373696?s=19

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1672338025731469312?t=vJYbDK2VnurhsojOhKs3Uw&s=19

Can't tell how much of this is just bluffing by prigohrzin to get more of what he wants - broadcasting the dead Wagner bodies got him the ammunition he wanted last time

Interestingly Girkin has called it made up

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https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672334150437568512?t=qs__UU2DQLTGKZHpIW7cqw&s=19


 
Posted : 23/06/2023 10:55 pm
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I'll believe it when I see it.


 
Posted : 23/06/2023 11:02 pm
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Kimbers a better post than I was writing.  Girkin and Prigozhin seem to be "rivals" if that applies to a blogger with large latent support and a proper warlord. Twitter going bonkers about this. Seems to be the ongoing power factions getting ready to replace Putin.

The old historians view of Russia "tyranny moderated by assassination" but too early yet to hope for that.

Edit: Yeah looks like a proper Oligarch scrap starting.  I am betting  Prigozhin has more support than we see. Either way, its great for Ukraine


 
Posted : 23/06/2023 11:06 pm
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The old historians view of Russia “tyranny moderated by assassination”

I prefer John McCain's quote:

"Russia is a gas station run by a mafia that is masquerading as a country"


 
Posted : 23/06/2023 11:14 pm
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@blokeuptheroad heh, yes my quote applies from the early 19th century onwards, after Catherine the Great, and still sums up Russia's woes. But I like John McCain's quote. Very accurate assessment of modern Russia's aspiration (not so now relevant).

We know that the war was always a smash and grab about the money for the Oligarchs and at some point they would count the cost and call a regime change.


 
Posted : 23/06/2023 11:28 pm
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Looks like the attempted coup is really happening, it'll be really interesting to see how far it gets. I'm guessing it'll be crushed pretty quickly


 
Posted : 23/06/2023 11:52 pm
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I'll believe it is starting to collapse and infight when I see more reports from 'proper' news agencies.

A coup / infighting / mutiny would precipitate a lot of chaos, both in occupied Ukraine and within Russian borders. It could end the invasion and harm to Ukrainians quite rapidly.


 
Posted : 23/06/2023 11:54 pm
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This could get interesting very quickly. Hopefully there will be significant opportunities for Ukraine while the Eye of Sauron is temporarily looking away.


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:03 am
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I suspect that there is a national popcorn shortage in Ukraine!


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:05 am
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I’m guessing it’ll be crushed pretty quickly

IF its happening at all I reckon it'll be over by breakfast, prigohrzin is throwing a tantrum because all PMCs are to become subservient to RU military, he hates Shoigu, but I don't see how prigohrzin has the backing to take him down


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:05 am
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Prigozhin calling for Rosgvardia, the Russian national guard to join forces with him, or else!

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672364086812606470?s=20


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:08 am
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Have they started showing Swan Lake on all Russian TV channels yet?

EDIT: oh...

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672349850388529154?t=pOHuyLracuZBIjrYc75m2g&s=19


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:09 am
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I’ll believe it is starting to collapse and infight when I see more reports from ‘proper’ news agencies

BBC News - Russia accuses Wagner chief of urging 'armed mutiny'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66005256


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:21 am
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There seams to be many folk on the web thinking this is a good thing.

A war criminal who has waged war in Africa and Asia and now the Ukraine trying to overthrow a despicable dictator.

Hardly good news for Europe and Asia.

Russia just keeps kicking itself in balls only to complain it hurts


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:28 am
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The big question, if he is actually moving north, is whether regular army units will actively oppose him, or just sit on their hands?

Even with 20,000 plus men, there's no way he could get anywhere near unless he had received some assurances from elements of the regular army.


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:29 am
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@Shermer75, I saw that. Two troop carriers driving by isn't very convincing. Not saying it isn't happening, but there needs to be some more compelling evidence.


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:30 am
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I find it hard to believe that Prigozhin would be doing this without backing.  Wandering around twitter I see claims the Rosgvardia chief has stated they will go where ordered but they will not fire on the Wagner troops.

Could it really happen?


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:33 am
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There are lots of separate videos on Twitter of tanks and troops carriers.


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:34 am
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Everything Igor Sushko tweets should be taken with a metric tonne of salt

Still interesting

Alao a lot of Wagner soldiers have been demobbed, including a lot of ex crims....


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:34 am
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There seams to be many folk on the web thinking this is a good thing.

It's good for Ukraine in an 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' kind of way. I agree it's not good for Russia or Europe long term, but if (big if) it brings the end of the war closer that's a good thing. If there is a coup it will take a good few years of Russia licking it's wounds before it could try again. It will still be a basket case, but that's probably the best we can hope for


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:37 am
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Maybe...just maybe things are happening.

Summary: Wagner are making a protest march and the critical statements earlier, but seems some Russian forces turned on them. So Wagner is now pissed and out to really take action - and calling for others to join?
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1672362253964783620?t=057A10Rx9RqKdqHJMhQhoQ&s=19


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:38 am
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Summary: Wagner are making a protest march and the critical statements earlier, but seems some Russian forces turned on them. So Wagner is now pissed and out to really take action – and calling for others to join?

It seems a little less spontaneous than that. Could be that the Kremlin got wind of his planning, sent down some troops to 'send a message', and now he's getting on with it? One does not simply march into Moscow, etc...


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:43 am
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Assuming this is real (could still be a bluff)

A counteroffensive in bakhmut right now could be interesting

I dint believe they have info on Putin's escape plans, but rewarding to see speculation

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672372366641451008?t=vvYXSWK9n01kg0yq4fllFg&s=19


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:43 am
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As an indicted war criminal, he doesn't have a lot of options with his escape plan.


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:45 am
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South America he can look for those Nazis he is so fond of.


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:50 am
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It's a confusing picture, but this isn't going to soothe poor little Poots' anxiety:
https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1672365690274082822

I imagine it's a good opportunity for the US and Ukraine to 'flood the information sphere' with disinfo to fuel the febrile, paranoid atmosphere...


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 12:51 am
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Prigohrzin saying his column has entered rostov, meanwhile...

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672380417477844995?t=zusoQ8kG_Yr6E0GL4GpvNw&s=19


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 1:14 am
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Heading South rather than north, then. Russian Military HQ is there though, so it is highly significant if true, and he is claiming that military units full of conscripts sent to stop them are standing aside instead.


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 1:24 am
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Talking of heading South - Poots more welcome in Southern Africa, rather than Southern America, no?

More likely to encounter Wagner operatives there, but less likely to be extradited - decisions decisions.


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 1:47 am
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This must be serious as it's knocked Glastonbury off the BBC news top article


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 1:49 am
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This must be serious as it’s knocked Glastonbury off the BBC news top article

DEFCON 5 for sure. I'm conflicted, Whilst I appreciate the respite from being forcibly deep-throated by the BBC's engorged coverage, I do wish it wasn't another human tragedy piece.


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 1:59 am
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Bunch of tourists just standing around watching the coup taking place.

https://twitter.com/BrynnTannehill/status/1672442187655553025


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 6:00 am
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Sounds like Moscow is preparing for a military assault. Some suggestions that Putin has fled the Kremlin in a helicopter. Russian armed forces supposedly fired on a Wagner unit from a helicopter which was allegedly shot down. Is this the beginning of another Russian Revolution?


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 6:18 am
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This is a turn up isn’t it!!! One thing, we certainly don’t want anyone remotely competent in charge of the Russian army, do we?!

maybe the chaos will spread to the Russian lines, and Ukraine can take advantage ?

Regime change from within has always been hoped for on the internet, but largely poopood by the real experts.

interesting times


 
Posted : 24/06/2023 6:34 am
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Lukashenko heading for Moscow, could this spread to Belarus?

what does Pregozin want? Will he pull out of Ukraine?


 
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