Even when the last Russian soldier is removed from Ukrainian soil what’s to stop putin firing his missiles on a daily basis?
One of the articles that was linked to recently mentioned the idea of Ukraine becoming a "hedgehog" that nobody will want to attack for feaar of getting nasty spines in their nose. I imagine part of that would be extensive missiule defence capabilities - Patriot, or Iron Dome, or whatever.
Also, lets no forget who built thos bridge.
Saying that you need x kg of rdx to blow up concrete is true
Assuming this refers to the Kerch bridge not the Kyiv "Glass" bridge, the deck is a fairly lightweight steel structure.
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1578840442644201472
Apparently as well as missing the glass bridge they have hit the German consular service building.... I suspect that this steps over some kind of consular / independent nation / political line of some kind. But quite what the Germans can or would do, 🤷♂️
https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1579391516988309505?s=20&t=5mM0M41C8Fdv6aGvYpfG_g
Edit:
https://twitter.com/GermanyDiplo/status/1579427927611297792?s=20&t=ngGHXwZ_w6GH9fOMa0Pgzg
I don't like being dragged into weapons fetishising, so perhaps I shouldn't post this, but it could potentially be some kind of specialist shaped charge or weapon deployed via truck rather than simply a load of fertiliser?
Both the rail and road sections of the bridge are made of steel, as I understand it.
Even when the last Russian soldier is removed from Ukrainian soil what’s to stop putin firing his missiles on a daily basis?
NATO membership?
But quite what the Germans can or would do, 🤷♂️
Maybe that's what's persuaded them to release the air defence missiles they promised 4 months ago?
so putin accuse ukraine of terrorism for blowing up one bridge....and subsequent fires loads of missles at civilians and infrastructure...I mean really?
putin accuse ukraine of terrorism for blowing up one bridge….and subsequent fires loads of missles at civilians and infrastructure…I mean really?
Indeed, the irony is staggering
Moldova reporting that several cruise missiles crossed over its airspace. Again, from the Beeb. They are not happy.
So does that mean they were fired from Transnistra? If so would Moldova allow Ukraine to retaliate or would they then be afraid of reprisals from Russia?
So does that mean they were fired from Transnistra? If so would Moldova allow Ukraine to retaliate or would they then be afraid of reprisals from Russia?
I would guess from the Black Sea at something in north west Ukraine, but don’t really know.
^^^^^^Thats what I had read.
Even when the last Russian soldier is removed from Ukrainian soil what’s to stop putin firing his missiles on a daily basis?
He's launching everything that flies ATM, unfortunately for the people of Ukraine. Many of the missiles will be AA missiles and are consequently inaccurate against ground clutter and may have smaller warheads
He can't keep this rate of fire going and sanctions will stop him building replacements easily. He'll need to keep a reserve to defend Russia and will have to turn to other pariahs for supply
Putin needs to look at the effect the blitz had on the UK during WW11.
It will just harden Ukrainian resolve.
Harden?
Have you forgotten the battle of Stalingrad?
The largest number of casualties in WWII was the USSR and you think they will now let the West steamed roll them?
The West also need to supply Ukraine with modern air defence systems too ffs!
It also shows how Putin will really act when he’s back is to the wall. Not nukes, just heavy conventional weapon use against civilians and infrastructure.
Keep upping the ante will not stop the war. Just more tears.
The largest number of casualties in WWII was the USSR
Actually it was China.
But yes, Stalingrad was horrendous. I do wonder what would have happened if Paris or Brussels or Amsterdam had been fought for as hard
Keep upping the ante will not stop the war. Just more tears.
Is that referring to your frequent off-piste contributions to this thread?
Have you forgotten the battle of Stalingrad?
Was that the battle where a motivated US/UK supported Eastern European Army defeated a theoretically more formidable one that was badly micro-managed by a deranged dictator?
so putin accuse ukraine of terrorism for blowing up one bridge….and subsequent fires loads of missles at civilians and infrastructure…I mean really?
Russian spox on R4 earlier said that all missiles fired targeted military structures and it was Ukr defence systems that caused them to hit schools, etc.....
Reaction of interviewer was interesting, total incredulity!
Actually it was China.
And the current war is being fought by two former USSR states.
Putin squandering his ever dwindling supply of cruise missiles on static civilian targets that have no military value are an admission of defeat
Just signals that Russia doesn't have the coordination or capability to hit dynamic targets on the battlefield.
Meanwhile Ukraine steadily destroys Russian logistics, ammunition, airbases and critical infrastructure like the Kerch bridge...
Is that referring to your frequent off-piste contributions to this thread?
Off piste you say, that poster somehow managed to shoe horn this in a few weeks back
Even if China fall do you want to want to become Chinese? All conquerors of China become “Chinese” like the Great Khan after two or three generations. Historically, China was divided then united then divided for many centuries but the end game is always the conquerors becoming “Chinese” LOL!
Do you think Putin is genuinely so detached from reality that he believes the horseshit he comes out with?
I'm hoping that since some of these missiles came from Russian subs and boats that a further supply of anti ship missiles or robo-boats which explode can be found.
Non-sequitur alert.
Harden?
Have you forgotten the battle of Stalingrad?
*sigh* - That was the Soviet Union, a nation state appreciably larger and more populous than modern Russia. At the time of the Battle of Stalingrad, the Soviet Union was also in receipt of massive amounts of western weaponry and economic support. The combatants in this conflict are Russia and Ukraine, "the west" aren't rolling into Stalingrad (or Volgograd) any time soon.
The largest number of casualties in WWII was the USSR and you think they will now let the West steamed roll them?
It's almost as though you're unable to tell the difference between Nationalist China, the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union's successor states.
<edits> Oh and it's steamroll as in steamroller, not steamed roll as in a bread product exposed to hot water vapour.
Was that the battle where a motivated US/UK supported Eastern European Army defeated a theoretically more formidable one that was badly micro-managed by a deranged dictator?
Nicely put!
Quite a few of them apparently shot down
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1579551864110346240?t=QUe_aV-cdm3E_DQl19LGrQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1579565916928757761?t=w601MO6YRLOJI6T9h2BPtg&s=19
Germany has already said its sending more air defence systems to Ukraine
The West will only ramp up aid now
6.5million dollar cruise missile
Shot down by a 60K manpad
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1579433829789765632?t=XibscBk9qXKwEduuL0fQ5Q&s=19
That's a great video.
chewkw
Harden?
Have you forgotten the battle of Stalingrad?
Forgotten? No. Simply didn't mention it as that battle is totally irrelevant to the post I made.
You are hard work sometimes my friend.
Actually it was China.
Yes, you are correct technically.
But the big bro was still Russia in those days as we all know.
And the current war is being fought by two former USSR states.
Yes, they are so wonder why the West is sticking their nose into other's business? New empire building?
Off piste you say, that poster somehow managed to shoe horn this in a few weeks back
Sorry Piemoster but perhaps the "LOL!" gives you an indication of the "conversation"? There is "conversation" and there is "speculation" and there is "LOL!", so how do you establish normal conversation? Do you have a conversation with reference all the time?
*sigh* – That was the Soviet Union, a nation state appreciably larger and more populous than modern Russia.
Yes, you have completely missed the point. Whether it was USSR/Russia etc is not the point. It is about the determination of the people to fight. Just like Ukraine they too are determined people. Good to see that you have provided references but not sure how you can reference determination?
Forgotten? No. Simply didn’t mention it as that battle is totally irrelevant to the post I made. You are hard work sometimes my friend.
No worries. You are merely interpreting from your perspective only. Not sure why determination has to be one sided from Ukraine only. Did you just make that up because Russia retaliated? Surely both sides got to be determine otherwise it wouldn't be a war. Yes?
Oh and it’s steamroll as in steamroller, not steamed roll as in a bread product exposed to hot water vapour.
Maybe he’s expecting a bao bun fight?
Harden?
Have you forgotten the battle of Stalingrad?
The largest number of casualties in WWII was the USSR and you think they will now let the West steamed roll them?
That was in defence of their own territory, much as Ukraine are now defending their territory. So the question is valid - will these attacks harden the resolve of Ukraine? Answer - yes.
Maybe he’s expecting a bao bun fight?
Yes, as they say the devil is in the detail.
Nahhh ... your cultural awareness is very low, nobody will use bao bun for fighting because it is simply too delicious to be wasted.
That was in defence of their own territory, much as Ukraine are now defending their territory. So the question is valid – will these attacks harden the resolve of Ukraine? Answer – yes.
I don't dispute that at all. What I am saying is that both sides are determined to fight to the end. But nevermind (not referring to you slowoldchap) coz as long as "we" all agree that Ukraine is winning that is good enough. LOL!
I haven't read all the previous 300 pages so apologies if this has been done but,
https://www.gofundme.com/f/fundraiser-4-victims-of-warheal-this-broken-land
@kimbers love it, even complete with a сука блять. Still winning the meme war.
Hmmm, yesterday I was optimistic
Tonight I think: a shitload more Russian hardware (and some borrowed from Belarus) will soon appear. More drones and an awful lot of drafted men.
Wondering how Ukraine can keep the counteroffensive momentum if large additional attacks start.
Wondering how Ukraine can keep the counteroffensive momentum if large additional attacks start.
Sadly, I think Putin is simply going to go after civilians and infrastructure rather than the Ukrainian military for obvious reasons.
Personally I don't think it will ultimately change the outdone of the war but just kill a lot more innocents along the way. Today's actions will just harden Ukrainian resolve amongst its civilians and military. If anything, militarily, those cruise missiles etc have been totally wasted.
I wonder what Russian troops think of all that air power and munitions being used in a way that doesn't help their dire situation at all?
How can Ukraine ever negotiate a peace with this man? It wouldn't be worth the paper it's written on and they know that. He truly is an existential threat to them.
Sadly, I think Putin is simply going to go after civilians and infrastructure rather than the Ukrainian military for obvious reasons.
Take the missile hitting the glass bridge. If you google maps you'll find not 50m from that bridge is the EUAM headquarters. Dealing with civilian security, defence and strategic planning.. Could it possibly be that that was the target, not a tourist attraction glass bridge, reported as being popular with locals, pedestrians and cyclists.
Now that sounds much more human than reporting the attack was against EUAM HQ.
Edited again
Self corrected, the address I was using brings up a different location on Google Earth for whatever reason.
Yes, you have completely missed the point. Whether it was USSR/Russia etc is not the point. It is about the determination of the people to fight.
No I haven’t. “the determination if the people to fight” is a ridiculous thing to say, especially when you conflate modern Russia with the Soviet Union circa late 1942 to make an overly simplistic point supporting your fanciful assertion that somehow poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly led Russian soldiers will repel hordes of fictional Western invaders. It’s both insulting to forumites and reflects poorly upon you.
Read some history: https://www.britannica.com/event/Russo-Japanese-War
https://www.britannica.com/place/Russian-Empire/World-War-I
Its worth spending a bit if time looking at where else you can find that line of logic @PJM1974
I’ve seen examples of that sort of tangental logic before (twitter mostly, from Putin apologists). It almost always conveniently ignores the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine.
We’ve seen RT shills reposted here without critical appraisal, we’ve seen the narrative “but Putin is countering the west”, we’ve also seen logical handbrake turns when confronted with verifiable facts.
Tonight I think: a shitload more Russian hardware (and some borrowed from Belarus) will soon appear. More drones and an awful lot of drafted men.
Russian inability to coordinate and command their reinforcements means that they will be wasted on the battlefield, The west meanwhile is supplying ever more sophisticated equipment, stuff that before this war, we explicitly said we would never give give to Ukraine for fear of upsetting Putin
Could we see a Russian collapse over the winter? Maybe Donetsk & Crimea the only bits they have left by spring?
I’ve seen examples of that sort of tangental logic before (twitter mostly, from Putin apologists). It almost always conveniently ignores the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine.
This is actually a film review/interview but delves into the propagandist elements of the film (whilst also pointing put some of the absurd stuff we have in the west), and how that battle is used to create an origin mythology and mindset for the current incarnation of Russia. (Dated 2014)
https://www.salon.com/2014/03/05/stalingrad_a_national_myth_for_putins_russia/
We certainly have comparable historical events that get repeated in the arts, Dunkirk/Battle of Britain, although I cant gauge how they really compare in their usage as modern day propaganda.
Battle of Britain
Plucky little Britain, outnumbered and holding fast against the Nazi hordes.
An absolute myth.
Reality, Global Superpower with the most advanced (only?) integrated air defence system in the World, protected by a huge navy, allows the Luftwaffe to destroy itself by throwing itself against that defence. Also knowing that any invasion fleet would of been destroyed.
But yes, Stalingrad was horrendous.
Forsaken Army by Heinrich Gerlach is a great read. A German officer who survived both the horror of Stalingrad & the incarceration afterwards.
