Obviously pinch of salt and could just be a handful of soldiers, but it seems news of Kharkiv is undermining russian morale
That rumour is still doing the rounds. US General Ben Hodges on the Mriya Report allegedly confirming.
There seems to be a mutiny brewing in the political ranks among Putin's municipal deputies. A petition calling for his resignation, originally signed by 19, now 30.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/3638950-municipal-deputies-call-for-putins-resignation/
Do they want him gone to stop the war, or install someone they think will be a better military tactician so it can be turned around/won?
I think we assume the former, but I'd like to be reassured.
A petition calling for his resignation, originally signed by 19, now 30.
Have the Ukraine and Boris Johnson threads somehow been jumbled?
I don’t think there’ll be a good outcome, it’s more a case of hoping for the least worst.
A defeat for Russia can easily lead to a rise in bitter ultra nationalism. Probably why Poland is eyeing up 500 Himars, probably had enough of being invaded by lunatic neighbours.
Putin has hollowed out of the institutions needed to support a democracy- free press, impartial judiciary, credible political opppsition etc. If he goes then another autocratic regime will take his place, as Russia is simply not capable of being anything else in it's current state. It would take a very (very!) special set of events to allow the re-installation of the workings needed for a tenable democracy
Do they want him gone to stop the war, or install someone they think will be a better military tactician so it can be turned around/won?
I suspect it will be this now that they know that they have too many fat salaried generals that are there for payroll only (hence they are not bothered when they are killed etc), and if pride of their nation takes precedent then the next person will be much competent than Putin.
Chewkw, you quote both my options, then state, "this now". Which one dude? Your response is as clear as the Russian deputies statement! 😁
Dont follow football .Never have .Rugby was played at school and i have little interest in tribal sport
Yikes! He lives!
Long shot, but does anyone know if Boris Nadezhdin lives in a 5th floor apartment?
all the virtue signalling going on can soon change once reality starts playing with family , income , work and business etc
It already has, hasn't it?
Jesus christ on a hard tail …I am just going to say you either eat too much shit food or you are really messed in the head and cannot cope with real life.Possibly no experience of it, too young etc etc .Brain washed to think for yourself , so you start saying pathetic things like “Bot” .Have a word with yourself!
Well that's me told. I did have a very strange tea of haloumi and onion bahjis followed by blackberry and apple crumble. Maybe that explains Why I'm 'brainwashed' and 'can't cope with real life'. Makes you think....
Mate you have a very odd way of writing, that has a passing resemblance to some clever AI posts we've had on here before. That and your low post count before diving into contentious posts made me suspicious. I now concede from your latest shouty, abusive diatribe that you may not be a bot, even if you have the social skills of one.
I now concede from your latest shouty, abusive diatribe that you may not be a bot, even if you have the social skills of one.
Humility and humour all in one beautiful post. 🤣
I did have a very strange tea of haloumi and onion bahjis followed by blackberry and apple crumble.
You f***ing monster
Edited to be clear it started with an F
Zing!
You f***ing monster
I know. I'm not proud of it, but it was actually pretty awesome!
Chewkw, you quote both my options, then state, “this now”. Which one dude? Your response is as clear as the Russian deputies statement! 😁
They are too deep into the war so asking Putin to stop the war can be suicidal.
Overthrowing him comes at at risk unless they are absolutely certain.
Convincing him it is a bad war can only work if there are some good concessions to be had.
Alternatively is to let the nature takes it course on their generals. i.e. let the generals get filter out by their own failure with their lives.
Therefore, pressure Putin to get "better" generals might be the least risky option of all the above.
I put the paranoia many have down to all the skunk etc smoked these days .., Nothing more messed up than the brain of a skunk junkie
....okay. Looks like you've done some field research to back that up. Respect.
Well that’s me told. I did have a very strange tea
If I was one of those deputies I would be rather concerned that was also going to be the case for me.
Too bloody old and chewkw are proof that bots remain unconvincing.
6/10 must try harder
I, for one, do not welcome our bot overlords
The bots have been superseded
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My wife, who works in AI developing IT service desk bot type stuff, had a peek and reckons badly scripted bot, by someone who doesn’t have a great grasp of English language grammar and syntax 😂
She also reckons ‘chewk’ has been scripted by two different people, which is why he appears to have a split personality with obviously different language skills…
Mriya Report are really pushing on with claiming a Russian surrender west of the Dneipr, god know how much, if any, truth is in that or if its just Ukrainian head messing.
which is why he appears to have a split personality with obviously different language skills…
Well theyre both a dab hand at gish galloping at the very least
Usual 'unconfirmed' caveat, but very significant if true.
https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1569406116030726145?s=20&t=wcSaYUiRGcN_5JwhavOpRw
Sorry folks slight hijack.
She also reckons ‘chewk’ has been scripted by two different people, which is why he appears to have a split personality with obviously different language skills…
Tell her she is overpaid for the job she is doing for being unable to analyse accurately. LOL!
English is Not my 1st language and took me something to catch up to this level. I have seen some senior people from Europe who speak much poorer English than I do.
Get her to understand this: "Dunia in mempunyai berbelan kaum dan bangsa oleh itu sifat semua adalah lain, dunia ini bukan kamu saja."
Also I am being me, honest, there is NO point in trying to trick, troll or pretend to be someone else.
I am way way over those days trying to be cool and I ain't feeling inferior nor embarrassed with my language skills. LOL!
what on earth is going on with this thread
Usual ‘unconfirmed’ caveat, but very significant if true.
Just came here to post that
If Russia aren't deploying any more troops then there could be a collapse in Russian lines all the way to Crimea!
And plenty more Ru troops surrendering
What is worrying is that Russia seems to be targeting more & more civilian infrastructure instead
What is worrying is that Russia seems to be targeting more & more civilian infrastructure instead
Easy to justify sadly, pushing the line that UKR troops are using it, therefore making it a legitimate military target.
Stop bloody bickering you children.
Jeez if the Kherson front falls that would be bonkers
Crimea suddenly looking very vulnerable
https://twitter.com/HelloMrBond/status/1569393784496193536?t=cNL0WQm0ojsYVh33RWOC2Q&s=19
Mriya Report are really pushing on with claiming a Russian surrender west of the Dneipr, god know how much, if any, truth is in that or if its just Ukrainian head messing.
Can you imagine a great nation like Russia losing or being defeated to take terms from Ukraine?
Even if Putin is toppled do you think Russia as a nation will bow to Ukraine or the West?
The worst case scenario is when Russia is on the verge of total collapse and if they are I am going to prepare to find ways to survive starvation.
"My wife, who works in AI developing IT service desk bot type stuff, had a peek and reckons badly scripted bot, by someone who doesn’t have a great grasp of English language grammar and syntax 😂
She also reckons ‘chewk’ has been scripted by two different people, which is why he appears to have a split personality with obviously different language skills…"
She married you .....so her common sense and brains can be questioned
Can you imagine a great nation like Russia losing or being defeated to take terms from Ukraine?
Yes. Yes I can.
She married you …..so her common sense and brains can be questioned
LOL! Ouch!
Okay, okay sorry folks ... back to the war.
Yes. Yes I can.
I can't.
Two reasons:
1. Russian collapse means central Asia would be distabilised and that is not good for their Islamic leaders and I suspect they will come to Russian aid.
2. Culturally they are very different from the West and by the time you stretch to Asia you will be threat to China and they would not allow that.
p/s: This one I don't really know but some so called far east analysts "predicted" that Russia will lose most of their battles for sometime to come, but eventually will win the war i.e. the great war meaning right up to your door step (I can see this possibility if their pride and dignity are strong).
Neither is a bot. Chewkw is an opinionated guy who likes to play devil's advocate. Often he isn't necessarily saying that he supports the real politik views that he promotes, more that he wants people to see and understand differing viewpoints. For what it's worth, some of those on here seem to take pleasure in constantly insulting and criticising him for the crime of seeing things differently.
Too Bloody Old works a solid 9-5 out of some grey building in St Petersburg. He's not a bot and he's certainly not a posh English man. Grammar, syntax, spelling are too mixed up. Even the rhythm of what he says doesn't compute. However he's not bad and if his boss is reading this, go easy on him, he's tried hard. Even going so far as to start a thread about Swinley as cover. I suppose we should all be pleased that we've attracted attention from the 'farm'.
In other news I recommend a look at the Al Jazeera website. Some really good analysis/features. Up to date too.
Rumours of surrender in Kherson are getting louder..
Culturally they are very different from the West and by the time you stretch to Asia you will be threat to China and they would not allow that.
how did we get from a hypothetical Russia being defeated by Ukraine on Ukrainian territory to 'you' (do you mean me, Ukraine, the West) moving to to Asia and threatening China? That's some leap and not what we were talking about.
You do shift the goal posts and flit from one concept to a radically different one which makes debating with you feel a bit random and chaotic, to say the least!
The two reasons Chewkw just gave are reasonable. Russia has borders to its South and East too, what happens on their western front will inevitably have and effect on its other fronts.
Also, the astonishing offensive in Kharliv has demonstrably changed the narrative in Russia.
Demands for Putin's resignation are hitting his desk but regardless of wether those demands are coming from hawks or doves, both sides will have the reputation of Russia foremost in their minds.
It was defeat, not collapse of the state. Cant see anywhere Bloke said Russia as a state would implode.
^^^ Yep.
how did we get from a hypothetical Russia being defeated by Ukraine on Ukrainian territory to ‘you’ (do you mean me, Ukraine, the West) moving to to Asia and threatening China? That’s some leap and not what we were talking about.
You do shift the goal posts and flit from one concept to a radically different one which makes debating with you feel a bit random and chaotic, to say the least!
Okay, a quick "language" guide. In my part of the world when we speak "English" and when we use "You" it does not mean you as an individual specifically. It is just the way we speak or write. Therefore, NOT you as in 'you'. In the current thread it is referring to the West/Nato/EU.
Well judging from some of the discussion here there seem to be imminent "collapse/defeat" of the Russian force or even the Putin. Now if Putin is gone there will be a vacuum to be filled (after their defeat) and with limited military capabilities left, they have to take terms from the victors. Meaning NATO/West will then install or use Russia as a puppet state to boarder China. That will be a threat.
I know I might be jumping around but somehow I really cannot see the evidence provided that convince me there is progression at all. Winning and losing battles is the norm in all wars.
As Sun Tze once said: There is always time to retreat.
From the Guardian:
Liberated Kharkiv Oblast residents from Zaliznychne told the Washington Post that Russians dropped their weapons on the ground when they fled, with some jumping onto stolen bicycles , trying to pass for locals.
Animals, absolute animals - hanging would be too good for them...
