If there are heavy weapons going to Ukraine, I suspect Ukraine will not want to kill the geese covertly donating the golden eggs by broadcasting it. I suspect that when the Donbass situation gets intense we will find out one way or another.
Dropping the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
LOL. That would be the first use of atomic weapons. Assuming you've read a history book.
LOL. That would be the first use of atomic weapons. Assuming you’ve read a history book.
Yes, I have.
Dropping the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
That'll be the ones.
Ukraine got the rights to defend themselves, yes, Putin/Russia is the baddies etc but this has nothing to do with democracy nor sovereign state at all.
On the contrary this situation has a great deal to do with democracy and sovereignty, specifically Putin's inability to accept either.
Most simply cannot accept we live in a multipolar power world.
Who is this "most"? The people? Politicians? Rulers?
Who is this “most”? The people? Politicians? Rulers?
US/NATO
US/NATO
Ah so you think it's that one-sided and Putin is right to see NATO as a threat?
Christ that 3 ton bomb looks like they dug it up! I’d be very nervous to be taking off with that on board!
Most simply cannot accept we live in a multipolar power world
The US defence dept. have just announced that they're fine with fixed wing assets being sent to Ukraine. which includes MiG29's
From that link from @pk13
and a potential destruction radius of 46 meters (over 50 feet)
Maybe theymean yards?
Ah so you think it’s that one-sided and Putin is right to see NATO as a threat?
What is your view on the sanctions on Cuba? Is Cuba a threat to US?
If US can consider/see Cuba as a threat then the same can be said of Putin/Russia on NATO.
The US defence dept. have just announced that they’re fine with fixed wing assets being sent to Ukraine. which includes MiG29’s
This is big news!
I think it's in pretty poor taste that some of you are having fun playing your little war games whilst real people are experiencing such horror. You're enjoyment of the situation is frankly sick.
War games?? I think you are completely missing the point. I can't see anyone here who isn't desperate for all this to be over. That is down to one man. Until then, we all cling to any crumb of positivity for Ukraine.
100% no one is enjoying this not one single poster on here even if our veiws differ
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I think it’s in pretty poor taste that some of you are having fun playing your little war games whilst real people are experiencing such horror. You’re enjoyment of the situation is frankly sick.
If what you say was correct I wouldn't even post on this thread. I wouldn't have the opportunity to anyway, it would have been closed.
As someone said, from the massively broad spectrum of views expressed on here, some I passionately disagree with, not one is relishing the deaths, rapes, tortures that are now being reported daily.
You've misinterpreted heated conversation about something that appalls every poster on this thread, including you, as some sort of sick "enjoyment".
I rarely watch the news on TV anymore regarding this atrocity as it really got to me. My ranting on here is a pressure valve, it has nothing to do with some perverse enjoyment of witnessing a war play out.
I feel utterly powerless to stop the destruction I see so I ******* shout into the void. It's my way of handling it.
I imagine any Russian forces crossing into Finland would be reduced to scrap metal and ashes pretty quickly.
Finland is better staying out of the current situation because NATO cannot do anything openly or directly without triggering a nuclear war.
Keep adding fuel we all get burn.
Chewkw, I imagine that you’re not really familiar with the detailed history of WW2, so I’ll just drop this here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
To summarise, you really, really don’t want to **** with the Finns! They are much, much better equipped than in 1939, and for Putin to threaten them while having his ass handed to him on a plate in Ukraine, shows just how deranged the man really is.
Russia is more interesting than you might think
Reports show Russia preparing 3-ton bomb to drop on Mariupol
Is that the best they can manage? Jesus Christ, we had prop-driven aircraft dropping 22,000lb bombs on German infrastructure, the Grand Slam 20 ton bomb could only be dropped from half its desired altitude, but still exceeded the speed of sound and could penetrate thick reinforced concrete submarine pens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_(bomb)
To summarise, you really, really don’t want to **** with the Finns! They are much, much better equipped than in 1939, and for Putin to threaten them while having his ass handed to him on a plate in Ukraine, shows just how deranged the man really is.
I know they are as they arm to their teeth!
However, the main objective of the Finns (their forces arm to the teeth) is to deter Russia/Putin which they have done well since the last conflict between the two. Finns should Not simply join in to escalate a situation that is already heading for more destruction. Just because Finns has the quality that does not mean they are not going to suffer too. Russia/Putin will leave the Finns alone if they just stay as they are because it is not logical to create another front. I know the argument that unity is strength, stand together to face the baddies, and I may sound like divisive but US/NATO is not fighting aren't they. As I said it is really a bad decision to get "involved" with NATO. Putin/Russia just wants NATO off his backyard just like US does to Cuba. NATO will not come to the Finns' rescue but to let them fight the war first like Ukraine. What NATO is doing now is to use other nations to weaken Russia before they step in, assuming that is the case but evidence suggest that they will Not.i.e. no Official NATO boots in Ukraine.
Countries within a country? This isn't really a novel concept, but we used to call the bigger countries 'Empires'. Russia is an empire not a country.
I must have missed the US invading Cuba and murdering/raping the population???
All the ex soviet states who are in NATO haven't been touched. The ones who haven't all have been invaded to a degree. It's really pretty straight forward.
Countries within a country? This isn’t really a novel concept, but we used to call the bigger countries ‘Empires’. Russia is an empire not a country.
To think that Russia is going to create an empire is simply incorrect. The definition of empire suits US/UK must better even during the Soviet era.
I must have missed the US invading Cuba and murdering/raping the population???
Why is Cuba still being sanctioned until today?
Why the sanctions have not been lifted?
What is the rational for that?
Is Cuba a threat to US? Why?
When US sanction Cuba what happen to the people?
If you want to see a bully state than look no further than US sanctions on Cuba.
Are you saying that it is alright to sanction a nation because they don't like US?
All the ex soviet states who are in NATO haven’t been touched. The ones who haven’t all have been invaded to a degree. It’s really pretty straight forward.
Yes, because they are the buffet states to Russia/Putin and that is perceived as existential threats if they join NATO.
Right now Russia is an empire the last one of our modern history.
It's a failed one and Putin is trying to rebuild/rescue it.
Right now Russia is an empire the last one of our modern history.
It’s a failed one and Putin is trying to rebuild/rescue it.
The definition of empire does not fit Russia/Putin but much suited to US/NATO/UK.
Honest question - what is the definition?
If US can consider/see Cuba as a threat then the same can be said of Putin/Russia on NATO.
Your, as some were proclaiming here, but plenty of others not, “rehabilitation” has reverted to spraying non sequiturs around like a conscript with a newly acquired AK47.
I also note your remarkable u-turn in attitude to the U.S. Has something big changed there recently to turn you off it?
Your, as some were proclaiming here, but plenty of others not, “rehabilitation” has reverted to spraying non sequiturs around like a conscript with a newly acquired AK47.
I also note your remarkable u-turn in attitude to the U.S. Has something big changed there recently to turn you off it?
I shall ask again.
Why is Cuba being sanction until today?
Cuba is a sovereign state is it not?
What is the rational?
Why is US bullying Cuba?
Honest question – what is the definition?
Theres a few, and not always territorial
And Russia, as we generally think of it is the Russian Federation, a grouping of "republics" and regions
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_Russia
It's really the legacy of the Tsarist Russian Empire, I'm sure you could get into all sorts of the debates about what it is.
But I've no doubt that Putin has Imperialist ambitions. If it was just security thatvwas wanted that could easily be achieved with a different foreign policy, but that would be at odds with territorial, cultural, military and economic imperialism which seems to he the driver.
Any country can trade with/not any it wants to. I don't agree with it, but it is hardly the same as Russia does to anyone on its borders it thinks it can bully/subvert.
Any country can trade with/not any it wants to. I don’t agree with it, but it is hardly the same as Russia does to anyone on its borders it thinks it can bully/subvert.
Why is Cuba sanctioned?
Are you saying that US can sanction anyone they like because they can? Why?
What has Cuba done to deserve this?
Is Cuba bordering US?
@Chewkw
Some of the things you type I understand, 30/40 years ago the stalemate solution of don't try anything it's not worth it in Europe helped on both sides the 2 superpowers had the proxy wars and dicked about far flung parts of the world..
Sadly with Putin and admittedly the west taking it's eye off the ball (leaving west Germany uk and USA bases) and thinking Putin would let western ways slowly bring Russia into the 20th century.
Sadly Putin has gone the other way it's a new world with him now not a great one I admit but the old eastern block is very worried they need to look for security fom Putin's ways.
If he had taken Ukraine in 5 days his ego would have looked for other targets.
As for Cuba those sanctions should have gone years ago did trump not block them being lifted?
Some of the things you type I understand, 30/40 years the stalemate solution of don’t try anything it’s not worth it in Europe helped on both sides the 2 superpowers had the proxy wars and dicked about far flung parts of the world..
Why is Cuba still santioned?
Yes, proxy war etc but is Cuba still a threat now? Or perhaps US see Cuba as an existential threats so put sanctions in place until today? Cuba is a small island is it not and a sovereign state but why does the world let US sanction Cuba until today? What is the rational behind sanctioning Cuba?
did trump not block them being lifted?
Yes, in June 2017 according to the US Department of State he not only blocked lifting them, he strngthened them.
Why is Cuba still santioned?
Yes, proxy war etc but is Cuba still a threat or perhaps US see Cuba as an existential threats so put sanctions in place until today. Cuba is a small island is it not and a sovereign state but why does the world let US sanctions Cuba until today? What is the rational behind sanctioning Cuba?
I don't know why I'm bothering...
Sanctions are primarily still in place due to a large, influential expat Cuban community in the important swing state of Florida. A community that is venomously anti (Cuban) communist and has large/ well funded lobbyist interests.
There is a lack of political will to change things. I think Obama tried but was scuppered by the Republicans.
But none of the above makes a difference to what you are going to post does it chewkw?
Chewkw empire as in french Great British is the era I'm referring to the tsars
Somebody is awfully anxious to talk about Cuba.
I don’t know why I’m bothering…
You're arguing with someone who has spent most of the thread trying to justify, or at best play devils advocate for justifying a horrifically brutal invasion of a sovereign state.
You’re arguing with someone who has spent most of the thread trying to justify, or at best play devils advocate for justifying a horrifically brutal invasion of a sovereign state.
Alternative interpretation is not to escalate a war that everyone will end up suffering. Nobody wins. The notion of goodies and baddies are just right at US door (with Cuba) step but since they consider themselves as "Unipolar" power, it seems that it is convenient to over look that.
But people don't accept the fact that US (the NATO backbone) is actually condemning Cuba to a long term suffering and generations of impoverishment, but that is fine because there was no "force" applied etc ...
Somebody is awfully anxious to talk about Cuba.
That's because US is bullying Cuba unless this a right justification?
Can you provide your explanation as why it is justified to sanctions Cuba?
Sanctions are primarily still in place due to a large, influential expat Cuban community in the important swing state of Florida. A community that is venomously anti (Cuban) communist and has large/ well funded lobbyist interests.
Therefore, it is justifiable to condemn an entire nation because votes can be influenced? How many US administration changed since Kennedy? Sanctions are still in place. Does that mean sanction is forever?
How about starting a Cuban! Sanctions! thread instead of fouling this one up?
How about starting a Cuban! Sanctions! thread instead of fouling this one up?
Because yet again we're all getting drawn into this:
instead of fouling this one up?
Well…quite. I mean, we’re into comparing economic sanctions with an invasion where thousands of innocent civilians have been killed, let alone the blatant war crimes and reported rape of women and children. BUT CUBA!
Because yet again we’re all getting drawn into this:
Pretty much, deflection and obfuscation. Anything but Russias invasion of Ukraine.
Pretty much, deflection and obfuscation. Anything but Russias invasion of Ukraine.
Yep.
10 It's all NATO's fault
20 GOTO 10
It's killing this thread sadly, we're having the very same conversation as we did on page two or whatever. Anything new or insightful is being drowned out with the constant thrum of background noise.
