Forum search & shortcuts

Ukraine

Posts: 8164
Free Member
 

S-300 FUBAR

Drat


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 12:41 pm
Posts: 12392
Full Member
 

I did wonder what’s going to happen to all that Russian scrap.

They'll probably sell it back to Russia for spare parts.


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 12:48 pm
 pk13
Posts: 2734
Full Member
 

In a side note London is very blue and yellow on the flag front.


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 12:49 pm
Posts: 34545
Full Member
 

@piemonster

its this guy

and some fascinating stuff there

https://twitter.com/marcowenjones


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 1:18 pm
Posts: 35142
Full Member
 

Russia warns Sweden and Finland not to join NATO

Sweden & Finland: "We're going to join NATO

Russia: Don't do that, we'll protect you.

Sweden & Finland: Against what?

Russia: Against you thinking you might want to join NATO


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 1:26 pm
Posts: 14485
Free Member
 

Cheers @kimbers

I’d seen a lot of people talking about an uptick of Pro Russian activity (on social media) in the last few days so wondered whether he’d pick it up and do some analysis on it.


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 1:29 pm
Posts: 14485
Free Member
 

The S300 claim is from Russian sources reported elsewhere, but seems like they would be top of a list for Russians

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/11/russia-strikes-s-300-missile-systems-given-to-ukraine-by-eu-state


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 1:41 pm
Posts: 14485
Free Member
 

Sweden & Finland: “We’re going to join NATO

Russia: Don’t do that, we’ll protect you.

Sweden & Finland: Against what?

Russia: Against you thinking you might want to join NATO

Maybe they should try not being colossal bell ends to their neighbours and such things wouldn’t be on the cards.

Crazy idea admittedly.


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 1:42 pm
Posts: 31154
Full Member
 

That's not how gangsters operate.


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 1:46 pm
Posts: 12392
Full Member
Posts: 8029
Full Member
 

Crazy idea admittedly.

Oh come on. There is clearly no connection between a country which isnt part of a defence pact being invaded and some other countries thinking "hmmm, maybe we should join that pact".
Its clearly crazy talk and hence the best way to shock them out of the insanity is to threaten them militarily.


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 3:17 pm
 pk13
Posts: 2734
Full Member
 

I mean it's not Russia has form for just setting up shop in Finland https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/finland-russia-military-bases-sakkiluoto-putin-dmitry-medvedev-police-a8612161.html


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 3:25 pm
Posts: 34545
Full Member
 

S-300 FUBAR

Drat

both Ukraine & Slovakia denying it

but then they would

Id imagine they are a top priority for Russia to take out, but then Russia have claimed to have destroyed more helicopters than the ukranians have, even as Ukraine obviously still has helicopters- see mariupol supply drops & belgarod fuel dump attack.

Situation in Mariupol looking grimmer than ever, russia have significantly increased shelling and airstrikes and Ukranian forces there reporting lack of ammo and many wounded


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 4:17 pm
Posts: 8164
Free Member
 

I find it strange that we're told so much of what is given.

Maybe there's also serious equipment that's not been publicised..?


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 5:43 pm
Posts: 4333
Full Member
 

Interesting article about UK anti ship missiles that we're promising Ukraine

Doesn't look like it's straightforward


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 6:02 pm
Posts: 8029
Full Member
 

I find it strange that we’re told so much of what is given.

The Russians would find out soon enough about the offensive weapons and it can help as a bit of deterrent even before it turns up eg saying there are a few hundred more nlaws would make the Russian commanders a tad nervous but not really help them in countering it.
I would guess though what might not be mentioned is the intelligence being provided and the comms equipment to make that easier.


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 6:15 pm
Posts: 34545
Full Member
 

gofasterstripes
Free Member
I find it strange that we’re told so much of what is given.

Im not sure how much your average russian pilot/tank crew is exposed to the info but Id imagine making them reluctant to attack if they think there is advanced weaponry waiting for them in their soviet era equipment isnt a bad thing.
Over 200 tanks abandonded by Russian troops certainly shows they are scared of something


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 6:28 pm
Posts: 13643
Free Member
Topic starter
 

I mean it’s not Russia has form for just setting up shop in Finland

All these stories take on a much more serious tone since Russia invaded Ukriane


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 7:01 pm
Posts: 33988
Full Member
 

This is worth a read, insight into both the Ukrainian and Russian military from a former U.S. officer in charge of the US Army in Europe. It explains a lot about the relative performance of both armies in the current conflict.

https://www.thebulwark.com/i-commanded-u-s-army-europe-heres-what-i-saw-in-the-russian-and-ukrainian-armies/?amp

It might explain the level of sophistication of a Russian drone recently captured by the Ukrainians.

https://petapixel.com/2022/04/11/ukraine-opens-russian-drone-finds-canon-dslr-inside/


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 10:42 pm
Posts: 34545
Full Member
 

This seems not unlikely considering how long and drawn out the battle at mariupol has been

The Russians desperately need a win

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1513602243148361735?s=20&t=K4jyGf7ro1eOL2-jkkH9kg


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 10:55 pm
Posts: 2036
Full Member
 

Chemical weapons now?


 
Posted : 11/04/2022 11:45 pm
 pk13
Posts: 2734
Full Member
 

Waiting for it to be confirmed.
Really hope not. Also reports and videos of Russia troops driving past the Finnish boarder region but apparently they do it on a regular basis.


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 12:01 am
Posts: 18043
Full Member
 

It might explain the level of sophistication of a Russian drone recently captured by the Ukrainians.

Does it do the job though? Ukraine have been using low tech Mavic drones for spotting duties. If it does the job...


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 12:06 am
Posts: 8029
Full Member
 

Ukraine have been using low tech Mavic drones for spotting duties.

Mavics are pretty sophisticated in terms of flying time/feed to operator. Downside though is you cant trust DJI not to sell how to detect them to your opponent.
I cant say I would be using one in a warzone given how the DJI AeroScope is specifically designed to say "hey here is the exact location of any operators of a drone within up to 50km of you. Would you like to drop a artillery barrage on them?"


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 12:40 am
Posts: 13643
Free Member
Topic starter
 

This is worth a read, insight into both the Ukrainian and Russian military from a former U.S. officer in charge of the US Army in Europe. It explains a lot about the relative performance of both armies in the current conflict.

This was a great read, thank you for posting!


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 1:05 am
Posts: 12392
Full Member
Posts: 33269
Full Member
 

Getting increasingly desperate in the Putin bunker?


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 8:39 am
Posts: 14485
Free Member
 

Ukrainian sourced reports of 10s thoudands killed in Mariopol alone.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-tens-thousands-killed-mariupol-accuses-russia-slowing-evacuations-2022-04-11/


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 9:04 am
Posts: 8029
Full Member
 

I dunno. The Russians do seem to be fighting a lot like Sparta.
Badly undermanned and equipped due to poor planning and reliant on the reputation from the past.


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 9:24 am
Posts: 5827
Full Member
 

This is in Ukrainian with no subtitles, but it's easy to get the drift.  Blokes in sheds with spanners and angle grinders refurbing captured Russian AFVs to send back to the fight.  I bet this is happening all over the country in garages, metal fabricators and light engineering workshops.

https://twitter.com/zixer83/status/1513249031601930246?s=20&t=ydZ2ioFgnHPIVV9d3nKmcQ


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 9:37 am
Posts: 8416
Free Member
 

Downside though is you cant trust DJI not to sell how to detect them to your opponent.

There are plenty of unofficial firmware "upgrades" that allow you to disable a lot of features like that.


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 9:51 am
 kilo
Posts: 6940
Free Member
 

Blokes in sheds with spanners and angle grinders refurbing captured Russian AFVs to send back to the fight. I bet this is happening all over the country in garages, metal fabricators and light engineering workshops.

Needs a Ukrainian Mike Brewer larging it and then I reckon Dave or Discovery could get four or five series out of it;

потисни мені руку, ти домовився


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 10:05 am
Posts: 35142
Full Member
 

 Blokes in sheds with spanners and angle grinders refurbing captured Russian AFVs to send back to the fight.

One of the advantages that the allies had in WW2 was a system that allowed them to recover tanks that had been "knocked out" during a fight, repair them and send them back into combat. The Germans had something similar but it wasn't nearly as efficient or integrated. It meant that while some times the Germans thought they'd won a battle fought of the enemy, often just the very next day those same forces would be back in the fight.

It shows, if nothing else that the Ukrainians are adapting and are invested in carrying on the fight.


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 10:09 am
Posts: 4593
Free Member
 

This is in Ukrainian with no subtitles, but it’s easy to get the drift.

I did manage to pick out the word 'farmers' (Фермери) at one point 😆


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 10:25 am
Posts: 31206
Full Member
 

Blokes in sheds with spanners and angle grinders refurbing captured Russian AFVs to send back to the fight.

Needs an A-Team montage with B.A. Baracus welding on some old pipes


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 10:41 am
Posts: 5827
Full Member
 

Needs a Ukrainian Mike Brewer larging it and then I reckon Dave or Discovery could get four or five series out of it;

😂 Pimp my BMP?


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 10:47 am
Posts: 7097
Free Member
 

insight into both the Ukrainian and Russian military from a former U.S. officer in charge of the US Army in Europe. It explains a lot about the relative performance of both armies in the current conflict.

yup, good read, thanks for posting link


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 11:23 am
Posts: 2874
Free Member
 

This is worth a read, insight into both the Ukrainian and Russian military from a former U.S. officer in charge of the US Army in Europe. It explains a lot about the relative performance of both armies in the current conflict.

The Russian army doesn't seem to have changed much from the cold war soviet model as described in books by Victor Suvurov, who also taught Soviet Military Studies to the British Army back in the day (although he weent by a different name, one of his many aliases). Training exercise being demonstrations by rote being one typical example.


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 11:23 am
Posts: 726
Free Member
 

I see Poland have no idea why anyone would think the sudden appearance of a large number of Ukranaian T72s in Eastern Ukraine would have anything to do with the "disappearance" of 100 such tanks from their inventory. 🙂

Definitely not the Poles


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 11:52 am
Posts: 12392
Full Member
 

From shooterman's link:

The Poles say a sudden arrival of large numbers of T-72s to the Donbas operated by the Ukrainian Army can’t be linked to the disappearance of the Polish 100 tanks from in Lublin.

They say T-72s can be bought in any army surplus store, just like the weapons used in Crimea in 2014

Where does one find these "surplus" stores?


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 11:59 am
Posts: 4593
Free Member
 

Mavics are pretty sophisticated in terms of flying time/feed to operator. Downside though is you cant trust DJI not to sell how to detect them to your opponent.
I cant say I would be using one in a warzone given how the DJI AeroScope is specifically designed to say “hey here is the exact location of any operators of a drone within up to 50km of you. Would you like to drop a artillery barrage on them?”

Pretty sure I read a thing yesterday saying exactly that - the Ukrainians used DJI drones effectively for the first week or two, but then Russia started shelling the drone operators within minutes of the drones going up. So they had to pack it in.


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 11:59 am
Posts: 17294
Full Member
 

Will the Ukrainian tanks be as susceptible as the Russian ones?


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 12:04 pm
Posts: 12392
Full Member
 

Will the Ukrainian tanks be as susceptible as the Russian ones?

I suspect the Ukrainians are being a bit more clever about how they use them and don't just drive along a road through unsecured countryside or into the middle of a town without any infantry support.

I'm also curious as to whether somebody in the supply chain in Russia hasn't pocketed the money for explosive armour and just sold the Russian army some blocks of plastic.


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 12:09 pm
Posts: 3422
Free Member
 

On a base level yes, they're more or less identical.

But, are the Russian AT weapons as good as the Western ones the Ukrainians are using?

And has the ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) been looted off of the Ukrainian tanks like it seemed to be for lots of the destroyed Russian ones? If not then they might be more survivable.

Also of note it the training/willingness to fight, which the Ukrainians definitely appear to have a lot more of than the Russians, unsurprisingly.


 
Posted : 12/04/2022 12:10 pm
Posts: 34545
Full Member
Page 166 / 496