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that's the point
Sorry I am confused here since obviously it isnt "one form" but instead everything that form covers once the UK exited the single market.
To quote someone above "Theres a lot of silliness over this," and this is about the stupidest I have seen.
drawing up a customs invoice really isnt that complex
theres no extra voodoo being outside the SM, the invoice just has to be checked against the contents
(im currently making a portal to autogrnerate one in my institute) get it right and it will breeze through customs, but pre Brexit you just didn't need one
but scale that up for every item in an articulated lorry and you have a stupendous amount of red tape- if its all one shipment you can get away with a separate line for each on the invoice., but combine a few and you need a fat wadge of paper
that 1 bit of paper was enough for plenty of companies to just say fk it, not worth the hassle
trying to get vaguely back on topic , removing the need to check multiple documents just to employ someone would be a genuine boon to business- we employ several people to do that in work! and thats just 1 small aspect of what a linked up universal ID could do
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Good luck.
Voters in Switzerland are going to the polls on Sunday to decide whether to introduce electronic identity cards.
It is the second nationwide ballot on the issue, after voters rejected the idea in 2021 over concerns about data protection and unease that the proposed system would largely be run by private companies.
Under the revised proposal, the new system would remain entirely optional and in public hands, with the data on the electronic IDs stored on users' smartphones rather than centrally.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20e4z2z8n7o
Switzerland is probably the closet to a real democracy with direct democracy IE referendums the norm
Chasing Reform was the death of Tories and it looks like it's going to be the death of Labour. Attacking the indefinite leave to remain, what do they want them to do? Paint roundabouts and fly flags?
It's pathetic.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1972011998943871450?t=CJ49P0YLJNhBorP-j69DiA&s=19
Come on Andy.
Help put some of this mess right.
Keir Starmer is the most unpopular PM in the history of Ipsos polling.
Not true. If that were the case Labour MPs would be briefing the press against him, queuing up to publicly denounce him, and doing everything else possible to undermine him and create the conditions for a leadership coup.
Sir Keir Starmer is clearly still a vote winner in the eyes of the Parliamentary Labour Party.
Hate to break it to you, but Richard Murphy has zero credibility outside his little loony left youtube bubble. As evidenced by this video:
Unlike Sir Keir Starmer's and Rachel Reeves's boundless creditability outside the centrist bubble?
Edit : Btw extra points for using "loony left", it's an underused insult these days.
Probably because of the irony of right-wingers using it 💡
Btw extra points for using "loony left", it's an underused insult these days.
It's not an insult, it's an objective description. People like Murphy, Rone, the Greens etc. are completely detached from reality. There are certainly those on the right who are detached from reality, but the far left is inherently detached from it due to their socialist/communist ideals. Generally the right is quite happy with capitalism, or conventional monetary policy, they just want less of their hard earned money being given to those who do not deserve it.
It is not hard earned and why should they decide who deserves it? If that is the reality you want then I would say you are the loony.
People like Murphy, Rone, the Greens etc. are completely detached from reality.
Don't be ridiculous.
Which one is detached from reality the people that have to earn a living based on neoliberal constraints or the lucky buggers that are given interest income in apparently times of hardship.
You like many have reality back to front because there is no other way apparently.
If you want to challenge me on anything - give it up instead of just talking like you swallowed the Telegraph.
I will say again for all the neoliberal centrists there is no modelling or evidence of the banking system you believe to be accurate.
Just what the wealthy have told you.
Generally the right is quite happy with capitalism, or conventional monetary policy, they just want less of their hard earned money being given to those who do not deserve it.
You know why this is all so pushed back on? because the rich benefit from state issued money.
Why do you think interest has been kept so high for so long? That's free money to people with money.
What's hard-earned about that?
You see, MMT always applies - always - in a fiat system - it's just the rest of us aren't allowed access to the money.
That's all that's going off in neoliberalism. Plenty of money around just not for the rest of us. And it never trickles down.
The wealthy do not create wealth -workers do.
If the system you believe to be true is so good - why the hell is everything in such a mess?
you certainly dont need an ID card system to do that . Infact it could be used as a firewall against an incoming reform government against them doing it.
Good luck with that using a system with data off-shored by Palantir to USA and access by any of their three letter agencies that Trump and Putin's friend Nigel can ask for help. The Patriot Act started this and those of us with a long-term view could see where it was all heading and were laughed at by those whose idea of long-term is 5 to 10 years.
I would accept an ID card where I get an annual report of everybody who asked to see my records like one of the Baltic/Scandinavian states do. Bear in mind that MI5 is now a busted flush in the courts due to their perjury and some police services are not trustworthy either, we will need a right of record review.
the lucky buggers that are given interest income in apparently times of hardship.
Ah deary me, you still think that 'the rich' are sitting at home collecting 4% interest on their millions as income. That fact alone is enough to reveal that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Because the super rich work so hard for their money and are always the ones who are hit the hardest when things go tits up?
If only we had governments who cared more about them!
Remind me again who has absolutely no idea what they are talking about?
Starmer finally taking the fight to Reform including calling them racists. about time.
I reckon it's time for this Michael Foot quote
We are not here in this world to find elegant solutions, pregnant with initiative, or to serve the ways and modes of profitable progress.
No, we are here to provide for all those who are weaker and hungrier, more battered and crippled than ourselves.
That is our only certain good and great purpose on earth, and if you ask me about those insoluble economic problems that may arise if the top is deprived of their initiative, I would answer 'To hell with them.' The top is greedy and mean and will always find a way to take care of themselves. They always do.
Starmer finally taking the fight to Reform including calling them racists. about time.
And you don't see the irony of that ?
Generally the right is quite happy with capitalism, or conventional monetary policy, they just want less of their hard earned money being given to those who do not deserve it.
It's simply a fact that the rich deserve to be rich, and the poor deserve to be poor.
Starmer finally taking the fight to Reform including calling them racists. about time.
It’s welcome, but you can see the plan clearly now… throw asylum seekers under the bus to try and neuter Reform’s more wide reaching anti-immigrant appeal. I don’t think it’ll work though. And it’s ugly watching it play out.
He's not taking the fight to reform, he has just realised how much support with the wider public and within labour he has lost. He is now fighting to save his own job in the next few months, the hypocrisy and stench of the racism he has been loudly promoting will not be easily forgotten by the voters he has already lost.
But Starmer can't possibly be a racist........ he's just accused Nigel Farage of being one!
Farage is a super racist whereas Starmer is just a beginner but clearly keen to learn from Farage, the master.
I don't think Nigel Farage is, I reckon like Sir Keir Starmer he is quite a subtle racist. And no doubt like Starmer Farage doesn't even believe half of the nonsense that he publicly spouts. They both try to appeal to bigotry in the search for easy votes, and to distract from the fact that they have no real answers.
If Nigel Farage was a proper full-on racist he would never have had Muhammad Ziauddin Yusuf as his party's chairman. Can you imagine the BNP having a chairman with a name like that? No I can't either.
Muhammad Ziauddin Yusuf's appeal is that he is a little shit, just like Farage. Skin colour, the single most important issue to a proper full-on racist, doesn't come into it.
I reckon that the differences between Starmer and Farage are a lot less than many people imagine. They both dog whistle for their own personal political gains.
Probably the most significant difference between them is that unlike Starmer Farage is more honest and doesn't pretend to lead a "left-wing" political party.
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I reckon like Sir Keir Starmer he is quite a subtle racist.
I wonder, did he become a racist (and a dishonest one at that) after spending the first half of his working life as a human rights lawyer? Or was he a dishonest racist all along, and just did all that human rights stuff for the money? Must be a tough for a racist to have to spend their time working to abolish the death penalty in Caribbean countries.
I don't know if he was a fake when a lawyer but he is absolutely using racist tones to suit his needs. As a non racist person I would never use the language he seems to happily use so would agree he is in the subtle racist category
Must be a tough for a racist to have to spend their time working to abolish the death penalty in Caribbean countries.
What a strange comment. Sir Keir Starmer has never been a politician in any Caribbean country, abolition of the death penalty is an issue for politicians. Are you referring his time as a paid lawyer? The cases that lawyers take up and their personal views and opinions don't necessarily match.
I have no idea what any of this has to do with whether Sir Keir Starmer is a "subtle racist" or not. You can be racist to the core and still fully support a judicial system which places limitations on punishment, the British Empire was full of examples of that.
Under Starmer the Labour Party has become a nasty right-wing authoritarian party with racist undercurrents. Make what you will on how that reflects on Starmer.
Rachel Reeves at conference making ears bleed with tough choices.
In her universe despite all her financial restraint the 10 year bond yield is currently above the Truss period. And it came down recently.
Reeves
UK 10 years bond yield 4.72
Truss
UK 10 years bond yield 4.42
Now this wouldn't be my metric but maybe she's maybe needs to check her script.
Anyone got any thoughts on the 'Job guarantee' for young people?
Can't help but feel it's just going to end up being another way to transfer public money to private companies with very little benefit to the limited number of 18-21 year olds it will actually 'benefit'.
https://www.ft.com/content/aed9feef-b0c5-40c6-8515-1b6fc7ace635
Tony Blair's son Euan's company Multiverse looks to have a hand in the BritCard. Funny that.
☝️ I don't think that is true, Multiverse is a company that deals with education not digital ID.
Tony Blair's son Euan's company Multiverse looks to have a hand in the BritCard. Funny that.
Says who? I'm no fan of the Blairs but there's enough nonsense floating around without unsourced rumours.
Edit to add: i bet every consultancy under the sun will be scheming how to get on this gravy train.
Anyone got any thoughts on the 'Job guarantee' for young people?
I suspect it will be a bit like forcing unemployed people into 'placements', they'll end up on less than minimum wage and the companies that 'employ' them get pretty much free labour.
I suspect it will be a bit like forcing unemployed people into 'placements', they'll end up on less than minimum wage and the companies that 'employ' them get pretty much free labour.
I pretty much owe everything to the '97 Labour govt which forced me to get a job after two years on the dole after uni. I was skint, effectively homeless and sofa-surfing at mates houses, pretty much no work experience and a shit degree (a 3rd in Computer Science). One day I turned up to sign on and was told I was being sent on something called the 'graduate gateway scheme' and if I refused would have my dole money reduced. I went willingly (you'll do anything after trying to live on £35 a week for two years), had my dole doubled to £70/week, was placed with a small IT company where I had 3 months to prove I was useful. Luckily I managed to do that and was offered a job. Without that scheme christ knows where I would have ended up, quite possibly on the streets. I know these schemes generate a lot of cynicism, and in many cases that's deserved, but if they can help even just a few kids like I was into work then I'm all for it.
As usual Labour are 180 degrees from a solution.
A proper Job guarantee can make the economy function more efficiently - it can act as a stabiliser to inflation by putting people in work as opposed to putting them out of work. Employer of last resort.
It should be provided and paid for by the state and be transitional that takes place when the private sector is contracting. One then moves from a state job to a private sector job as the private sector begins to grow again.
Last of all it shouldn't be coercive - it should be optional.
https://gimms.org.uk/job-guarantee/
I think I mentioned this a few years ago and the usual lot attacked it. I'm guessing now Labour are doing a version that involves chucking money at the private sector - this is now a good thing?
Either way we need solutions that break the mold from the way we do things so this is an interesting if wonky step.
I think a Job guarantee can work if used in tandem with Universal Basic Income. Like rone said, the first thing is it has to be optional with no penalties for opting out.
It should also be organised highly locally with tailored solutions for each individual.
The Austrians recently completed a successful 4 year experiment that seems to have implemented the scheme correctly:
(In this case the participants could also choose to start their own businesses, with one person making mountain bike trails.)
It just seems that Labour's scheme is going to end up being primarily punative and time limited. In a few cases a young person might find themselves with a career they wouldn't have otherwise. But I think the most likely outcome is they will turn 22 and the only benefit will be for employers who have had a cheap dogsbody for a year or so.
I pretty much owe everything to the '97 Labour govt which forced me to get a job after two years on the dole after uni. I was skint, effectively homeless and sofa-surfing at mates houses, pretty much no work experience and a shit degree (a 3rd in Computer Science). One day I turned up to sign on and was told I was being sent on something called the 'graduate gateway scheme' and if I refused would have my dole money reduced. I went willingly (you'll do anything after trying to live on £35 a week for two years), had my dole doubled to £70/week, was placed with a small IT company where I had 3 months to prove I was useful. Luckily I managed to do that and was offered a job. Without that scheme christ knows where I would have ended up, quite possibly on the streets. I know these schemes generate a lot of cynicism, and in many cases that's deserved, but if they can help even just a few kids like I was into work then I'm all for it.
I'm glad it worked out for you, but I think the biggest problem is that it's not '97 anymore. The party is well and truly over.
And even for you, it's possible the stars just happened to align. Seems like 97 was the perfect time to have a shit CS degree and still make it work. Even kids with spectacular degrees today are going to struggle compared to kids with shit degrees in 97.
The Austrians recently completed a successful 4 year experiment that seems to have implemented the scheme correctly:
I think a lot of the issue with this country is any such scheme to be 'popular' has to be seen as being punitive, not supportive.
The media etc don't like dole scum, why should they get any oppurtunity to better themselves? Much better to have successful well off business owners have free labour.
https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1972276168779784199?t=pisifHRMht2r05Qk5PHRaw&s=19
MAGA Labour hybrid.
There's so many 'in-your-face' issues with the way we run the economy. It's bonkers that we've gotten this far! Even more bonkers that no one really wants to take a microscope to it.
Take the current system of increasing interest rates to slow demand (i.e put people out of work) to then control inflation.
The flip side of this hostile regressive policy dressed up as economic sense - is that both Labour and the Tories want people to work! The lazy, the ****less etc - but their own system currently needs less people to work to apparently reduce demand and thus inflation.
Which way around is it? Same issue in the USA - Mexicans are both needed to do a lot of the work in the USA but at that same time - clear off!
This is the nub of economics in this country - it's simply not well thought out but it's become that entrenched we accept they must know what they're doing.
But very little is evidenced or written about.
Interest rate adjustment is perfunctory and barely any journalists are asking the right questions and just assuming it works as intended - which it does in terms of handing money out to people with wealth.
The scale of the problems in this country are absolutely huge and the level of reversal needed to stop decline is now massive.
Also they're missing a trick. Politicians hate inflation. So....
In academic terms, a JG acts as a price anchor to subdue inflation and also as an automatic stabiliser that maintains economic activity in the real economy when total (aggregate) demand falls below the level required to maintain full employment. The pool of Job Guarantee workers expands during economic downturns and shrinks during economic booms as workers are taken back into the private sector. It smooths out the fluctuations that occur during the business cycle by helping to stabilise total wages and consumption. In plain English, the public sector becomes the employer of last resort to provide jobs for the unemployed population in areas of the economy and community where demands are not being met. The Job Guarantee resolves the problem of the unemployment that government taxation creates, enabling the population to earn the currency. When the private sector cannot employ all workers, (especially in an economic downturn), the government can step in by providing public sector employment, at a living wage, to facilitate their transition to private sector employment as the economy grows.
Whereas UBI alone would likely be inflationary. Would work as a hybrid with UBI.
https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1972276168779784199?t=pisifHRMht2r05Qk5PHRaw&s=19
MAGA Labour hybrid.
In the running for the Labour leadership? Not a chance.
Steve Reed represents the extreme right of the Labour Party, replacing Starmer with him would be pointless, they might as well stick with what they've got now.