There is no climate crisis, worsening or otherwise,
Excellent news! Once you've published your paper, a Nobel prize awaits.
and even if there were, Britain’s essential use of oil and gas would have no effect on it.
81% of UK oil production is exported.
There is no climate crisis
I really think this forum needs a specific policy of banning people who regurgitate this nonsense. I'm generally an advocate of people being able to say what the hell they like on here, and this place is much more strict than many other forums, but I have no idea why climate change denial is permitted. 🤷♂️
If the 2 main parties are tied then it is a hung parliament and it comes down to who can make a coalition to command a majority.
I think you can have a minority government but that wont happen if one party can create a majority with other parties
There is no climate crisis
No, you don't get to simply ignore a shedload of science (much of which I understand) and spread damaging bullshit like this just because you want to feel special. Do one.
Yeah I think Frank Sinatra raises a different point, which is a good one
Don't know the answer but perhaps the incumbent remains as opposition? However they could easily lose a seat in a by-election, so then it must change
If the 2 main parties are tied then it is a hung parliament and it comes down to who can make a coalition to command a majority.
That is not what I was asking. I want to know what happens to the opposition if there is a tie between second and third place in the polls.
What happens if the two biggest opposition parties tie with an equal number of seats? Who is the official opposition?
I think this needs to be settled by a political episode of Gladiators, beamed out live to the nation on prime time Saturday night telly.
Kemi Badanoch and Ed Vaisey clad in Lycra, slugging it out with giant cotton buds
I think this needs to be settled by a political episode of Gladiators, beamed out live to the nation on prime time Saturday night telly
Fair
That is not what I was asking. I want to know what happens to the opposition if there is a tie between second and third place in the polls
Duopposition
in case of a tie , I think the speaker actually work out a deal with the 2 parties to get to ask an equal number of questions and/ or swap each week
Must admit would absolutely love to see the lib dems as the opposition, but its still a very faint hope at the moment, I still think that enough wavering Tories will switch to them at the last minute to avoid a complete wipeout (Im still hoping tho)
in case of a tie , I think the speaker actually work out a deal with the 2 parties to get to ask an equal number of questions and/ or swap each week
I think the big question is what the shadow cabinet should look like and which individual would be named leader of the opposition.
Although the 'negotiations' on how to split the shadow minister jobs would be the definition of bald men fighting over a comb.
well, unless @grimep is spectacularly stupid, which I'm guessing he's not, he's just trolling, in which case, I guess I'll just scroll back up and hit that report button, and let the mods deal with it in the usual way they deal with trolls.
Nickc +1
Sorry misread the question on the opposition.
Presumably they take it in turns to ask the questions
nickc
Full Member
He has no solutions, just many things he is against.
The media are complicit in this though.
I completely agree, he's almost treated as a pundit, not a politician, which of course is absolutely mad and lets him get away with all manner of sins.
I think the big question is what the shadow cabinet should look like
You are presuming there are sufficient MPs to form a Shadow Cabinet 😉 . As it happens, I suspect the Conservatives will take approx 125 seats and do better than the polls are suggesting. I imagine Neil Kinnock feels the same. I also think Reform will win a seat somewhere on the East coast.
Most trolls are just sad I think.
As Farage is set to launch his dog whistle to racist pensioners ‘contract’ Rachael Reeves is advocating … *whisper it* … closer ties with the EU
https://Twitter.com/georgewparker/status/1802433173122625857?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
As Farage is set to launch his ‘contract’ Rachael Reeves is advocating … *whisper it* … closer ties with the EU
Splitter
So Reform is unveiling it's manifesto today, they are calling it a "contract" I believe.
Knowing they don't have to enact any of it and being utter charlatans ... It'll be interesting. Some "ok" announcements mixed in with some batshit stuff at a guess?
You are presuming there are sufficient MPs to form a Shadow Cabinet 😉 .
It does create the problem of a lack of talent through, you can't form a credible opposition without a decent/popular leader and at least a handful of deputies. And those sorts of Tories are probably going to be staying out of politics for at least an election cycle or two (why be an MP when you could be earning money in the city).
As it happens, I suspect the Conservatives will take approx 125 seats and do better than the polls are suggesting.
This +1
I think a lot of people will be happy to see the back of the Tory's , but I'm not convinced they'll necessarily turn out to make it happen.
Reform will never be in power so it kind of doesnt matter, but their magic money tree plan is to suspend interest payments on UK debt/gilts, that would surely lead to the markets going nuts & inflation which would be Truss levels on steroids
Yet they wont be pushed on this
I completely agree, he’s almost treated as a pundit, not a politician, which of course is absolutely mad and lets him get away with all manner of sins.
He's spouting off about how as 'most popular 2nd party' (his words, not mine) he should be allowed at the main leaders debates. I'm very mixed, on one hand the oxygen of publicity vs on the other, sunlight as a disinfectant. I suspect their lack of real potential to enact any sort of policy opposition on most other things other than immigration would be quite quickly exposed. Unfortunately OTOH he's also a better, more charismatic speaker than both Sunak or SKS and some don't see beyond that.
Didn't he have the offer of a long interview with Nick Robinson, same as all the other parties, and then pull out? Why, and is it being rescheduled? (Rhetorical question, I know the reason given was that the interview was arranged with the Leader of Reform, then the leadership changed and no-one from the BBC contacted Farage to check he was still on for it. What was the real reason, I'm sure he could easily have made it if he'd wanted, even to a BBC North studio for a video interview)
I think grimep is a silly trolling nob
The problem with that sort of behaviour is that in this case it really isn't harmless. It validates the opinions of others who might not be thinking about it at all and that slows down all efforts to do something about it. Normally I'm good for letting people post what they like but in this case it's dangerous.
and they are a nob of course
Best for Britain have published their tactical voting guide and latest polling. https://www.getvoting.org/
Just checked mine...Jesus ****ing Christ...
Reform will never be in power so it kind of doesnt matter, but their magic money tree plan is to suspend interest payments on UK debt/gilts
Its more subtle than that and there do seem to be some pretty good arguments in favour of the proposal although dont take it to quite the extreme reform do. The ECB for example already does a limit variant.
Just checked mine…Jesus **** Christ…
There's a quandary...Conservative tactical vote? 🙂
I don’t subscribe to or follow any political people, accounts, blogs, pages etc.
Im guessing that the algorithms place me as ‘undecided’. I’ve removed both TikTok and X apps as all I was seeing were Reform posts.
i think there’s a real possibility of a EU referendum situation where the Right Bots are all over social media in a way that Progressives aren’t and the election results will reflect this.
But I hope I’m wrong
BillOddie
Full Member
There’s a quandary…Conservative tactical vote? 🙂**** that.
Not a choice I need to make thank goodness but if my seat was between Tory and Reform... id be voting Tory.
Yuk. At a macro level though, it's the right call to make, imo if course.
I’m very mixed, on one hand the oxygen of publicity vs on the other, sunlight as a disinfectant.
I have no problem with him being platformed, it's the lack of scrutiny of what he says that drives me nuts. It's only that uncritical airtime that allows him the semblance of credibility - Paxman would have stopped this nonsense long ago.
There’s a quandary…Conservative tactical vote? 🙂
**** that
Never say never
As an aside, and a serious question, is a small number of reform seats acceptable in exchange for the Tory's extinction and third party status? For arguments sake, less than 50 Tory seats
is a small number of reform seats acceptable in exchange for the Tory’s extinction and third party status? For arguments sake, less than 50 Tory seats
Great question, I'd love the Tories to not even be the Opposition and Reform MPs to be found to be a load of work shy grifters, but it's a high risk strategy
Just had an election leaflet from Reform through my door, complete with AI generated image of huge numbers of brown people walking from the cliffs of Dover. Obviously it's AI generated because that hasn't actually happened. Utter ***** but fortunately I don't think they'll get a look in according to polling in my constituency. Still disappointing that it's the only piece of election literature I've had so far.
Never say never
As an aside, and a serious question, is a small number of reform seats acceptable in exchange for the Tory’s extinction and third party status? For arguments sake, less than 50 Tory seats
IMO yes, because they can't achieve anything with 12 seats and like the UKIP/Brexit/reform councillors or MEPs they'll be shown up for how crap they really are. I'd put money on at least three being booted out of parliament before the end of the end of the second year.
I have no problem with him being platformed, it’s the lack of scrutiny of what he says that drives me nuts.
Yep me too. If he's the head of a political party (again, just like all the other times he's been in one) just treat him as if he's a mainstream politician and demand the same transparency that you'd expect from Labour or the Cons. It's the pass that's offered because the press insists on treating them like a single issue party, even though that's not how they even see themselves . It's bonkers, and it treats the public like idiots and mugs
