Can we just drop the private school thing
Happy to accept the right for choice, same with private healthcare. But not going to let the impression that RGSG is an average school on a normal street in a normal town go unchallenged.
(dropping the private school theme then)
I've a lot of respect for Mishal Husein as an interviewer but I don't think she did a good enough job of shutting Mordaunt and to an extent Rayner down. Even after the LD panellist commented, they still kept just trying to talk over each other - well shout, really, and MH should have cut them off. She looked like she was 'trying' from time to time and then stopped, I wondered if she was being earpieced from the gallery to allow them to go on or just lacked the gravitas to do it.
It’ll be interesting to see what Reeves’ pursuit of growth has delivered by 2029.
Single market membership?
MH should have cut them off. She looked like she was ‘trying’ from time to time and then stopped, I wondered if she was being earpieced from the gallery to allow them to go on or just lacked the gravitas to do it.
Thought the same with the ITV debate.
I’ve a lot of respect for Mishal Husein as an interviewer but I don’t think she did a good enough job of shutting Mordaunt and to an extent Rayner down. Even after the LD panellist commented, they still kept just trying to talk over each other – well shout, really, and MH should have cut them off. She looked like she was ‘trying’ from time to time and then stopped, I wondered if she was being earpieced from the gallery to allow them to go on or just lacked the gravitas to do it.
I think the context matters here.
The two main parties battling it out nationally had their representatives right next to each other, no idea if that was deliberate but it was always going to be shouty.
Then you have the fact Mordaunt copied Sunak in both style and content. By content I specifically mean the 2k tax bs. If Rayner had just let the lie be shouted over and over she would have been accused of being weak and the lie gains traction. A gift to the Tories.
The 2k tax fib is big news and Rayner *had* to challenge it, if that meant competing in volume levels then so be it.
Rayner only responded in kind. The Tories aren't afraid to get into the gutter and Rayner knew she had to go where the fight was. 👍.
That's on Mordaunt and the advisors that told her to continue lying.
This was always going to be a dirty election campaign and there is a long way to go yet. I have zero problem with Labour not being afraid to get a bit mucky in the fight. There is way too much at stake and Marquess of Queensberry rules aren't at play here.
Since there are no selective state schools in the area, if we want the best education on offer, this is way to get it
In my experience selective schools are not the only ones which can provide excellent education, especially if parents of bright kids are supportive of their local schools That applies in the Godalming area as well as anywhere else. For context I lived in Godalming for fourteen years and worked in the Sixth Form College there and had links with the local schools, both local authority and Independent, including RGSG and Charterhouse.
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Tory guy on Newsnight is now doing it again; yet when the interviewer intervenes goes quiet. I wonder if it is a defined tactic.(Chris Heaton-Harris and Ellie Reeves)
Yeah, just watching that now. I might be a glutton for punishment.😁
I'm almost politiked out for tonight.
Didn't see any of it as I was out canvassing following an afternoon of delivering leaflets.
Two things...
i) on the doorstep in the Newark constituency there is little love for jenrick; polls are - literally - 50/50 in a seat where the tory majority was 21k in 2019. Reform and other minority parties are eroding the tory vote; strong signs of switching from tory to Labour. Taking down a/the right wing poster boy of the tories would be a real coup.
ii) seven senior politicos shouting over each other is/was, to me, a complete irrelevance; more heat than light so it was nothing more than frothing.
I’ve a lot of respect for Mishal Husein as an interviewer but I don’t think she did a good enough job of shutting Mordaunt and to an extent Rayner down. Even after the LD panellist commented, they still kept just trying to talk over each other – well shout, really, and MH should have cut them off. She looked like she was ‘trying’ from time to time and then stopped, I wondered if she was being earpieced from the gallery to allow them to go on or just lacked the gravitas to do it.
the gallery can presumably shut down or increase/reduce the gain on anyone’s mic if they want to, but:
- a civil intelligent discussion is unlikely to get shared on the socials
- if either party thinks they’ve been “muted” unfairly they’ll be on the phone to Offcom
- is it wrong to let the public see how people (and it’s not just one person) behave when desperate/angry
so there’s little incentive for the gallery to encourage the chair to intervene. I’m just amazed that neither side learned from the Cameron/Brown/Clegg debate that “I agree with Nick” and a grown up discussion was actually quite well received with the electorate.
I didn’t watch it all but I’m surprised Reeves hasn’t been rehearsing/coached on a way to respond to the Mordaunt line. She was angry and shouty and the public don’t like that. It might have been justified, but it won’t be making the country wish she was the leader rather than Starmer. The Mordaunt fan club probably like the way she behaved because they are all unhinged anyway and want Blue to win at all costs.
In fairness Rayner came second only to Farage in the poll they conducted afterwards.
Given how well Farage is usually met in campaign mode such as this, I think that's a good reflection on her, it might indicate they might even like her scrappy nature with Mordaunt. At the least, it didn't seem to impact her negatively.
I, like most, would love less anger in politics but like I said, Labour need to commit to going to going where the Tories lead if they are truly intent on combating their narrative.
Just my take on things anyway.
I didn’t watch it all but I’m surprised Reeves hasn’t been rehearsing/coached on a way to respond to the Mordaunt line.
Rayner, not Reeves.
Id not seen the last part of that where he is actually laughing out loud as one of his cronies heckled the doctor about going away on holiday too much. 😡
If anyone needs to see why labour have to get into the gutter to fight these ***** then this is a good start.
Terrible political instinct to laugh at a GP raising those concerns too, he's just very bad at this.
Hey Frank, if you didn't see it you can't say it was irrelevant, and you can't say that....seven senior politicos shouting over each other is/was more heat than light...
...appreciate that you are very engaged w canvassing for your Labour candidate, and kudos for that, but you sound a touch dismissive of a bigger picture here?
The Plaid, SNP, Green and LD cases presented were very persuasive that there are other very valid concerns and solutions.
Yes there is only one goal ultimately and fully support #GTTO. But Labour risk being seen as arrogant and presumptive/dismissive if they don't allow any nuance. Had a Labour canvasser on my doorstep this evening, and we had a really good chat, and she was very reflective that Gaza, Diane Abbot (she mentioned that one not me), PR, Brexit are areas that are causing some questions on the doorstep, but enough for them to want to talk about it. Maybe it's cos we are a Tory seat where LD have been the challenger, and not yet clear if Labour can challenge as the tactical option - hence she was open to discussion.
I guess your experience is different, but I feel that Labour might win some friends if it is more open to some of the nuances.
Wishing you luck in your local campaign!
Ian Dunts appraisal of Lil Rishi’s week is absolutely brutal, but bang on!
“We've surely never seen a man **** up this badly. We've never seen someone **** up so regularly, at such a high level. We've never witnessed someone manage it with this degree of sustained commitment: a morning-to-sundown performance, across the full range of political activities, at every point in the qualitative spectrum, with due consideration for both superficial blunder and substantive misjudgement. No matter what the issue, Rishi Sunak will find a way to cock it up. It's who he is. It's what he does. And woe-betide anyone who stands in his way”
In fairness Rayner came second only to Farage in the poll they conducted afterwards.
That is good to see. She also does non political stuff very well (i.e. appearing on a vacuous show such as This Morning) because she actually seems genuine and a bit more relatable and like 'normal' people.
Ian Dunts appraisal of Lil Rishi’s week is absolutely brutal, but bang on!
I follow Dunt because he's occasionally funny. But he's got a track record of bigging the wrong people up (Sunak et al) at the start of their run and then condemning when he gets it totally wrong.
Without any self reflection.
Single market membership?
Can't see that one - shift to right to keep power is only going to get worse.
I wouldn't bet on it.
That's the direction that has been indicated.
That Sky / Drs question, imagine laughing out loud on TV to such a piss poor bone headed comment, utterly spinless. Pissed off and I've barely had breakfast, can't wait for it to end.
She also does non political stuff very well (i.e. appearing on a vacuous show such as This Morning) because she actually seems genuine and a bit more relatable and like ‘normal’ people.
I know we aren't doing stereotypes, and certainly not condoning violence but I suspect given her upbringing and past jobs Rayner might have shut up mouthy people with some commentary and language that would definitely have had the gallery scrambling for the mute button. And for the violence bit, she looked ready to lump Mordaunt a couple of times. On that, you have to admire Penny's chutzpah when she claimed Portsmouth was a better city than Manchester, I thought that might tip Angela over the edge! Maybe Penny was packing a foldable sword in her hair as insurance?
Mark Harper going big on Plan for Drivers bullshit this morning.
Link to the above
https://twitter.com/carltonreid/status/1799191740165005617
I can’t see how the War on Non-Drivers is going to save them, tbh.
It's got to be a bet in the policy office by now hasn't it. Who can come up with the most (not sure if allowed to say*) policy that we can get a Minister to trot(t) out on live media?
*prize, lifetime supply of apple sauce and as many pairs of red trousers as you can put on in a minute.
I'd love to see the costings for ULEZ.
I can’t see how the War on Non-Drivers is going to save them, tbh
Since Sunak became leader, the news for them has been relentlessly and unremittingly grim, tanking in the polls and losing by-election after by-election
The one chink of light he has to hang on to is one specific by-election where he turned an enormous majority into a minuscule one but didn’t actually lose
Its a sign of their now flailing desperation that they want to take a policy that was very specific to that particular constituency and roll it out nationally
Theyre going to get quite a shock when they find out the entire country isn’t exclusively populated by self-serving Range Rover drivers
You can now almost taste the desperation. Throwing up half-baked policy ideas like Alan Partridge dreaming up new programme formats
Monkey Tennis!
When speaking to the Tory voting people I know about the upcoming Labour government their absolute top concern is how much it'll hit them in their pockets, when discussing the concept that the additional funding will be used to support failing national infrastructure and give those less fortunate a helping hand it seems like some totally bizarre left field concept, heaven forbid we should live in a country where everyone is a fraction better off, even if that's having to wait an hour less for an ambulance.
The small minded selfishness of this country is dumbfounding.
https://twitter.com/Kishan_Devani/status/1794794899327635520
also using the Mrs in your campaigning, doesn't that make her tax evading nondom fair game ?
When speaking to the Tory voting people I know about the upcoming Labour government their absolute top concern is how much it’ll hit them in their pockets
Understandable really when you consider how much the Torys have already hit them hard in the pocket.
It's a double edged sword isn't it, tax take (thanks to the Torys) is highest it's been in a long time and services (thanks to the Torys) are at a serious low. People with money are abandoning the state and paying for the services the state should provide out of their own pocket (services they should get for free and have already paid for through taxation but often can't even access), not surprising they don't want to fork out even more. It's left Labour with a difficult path to tread, they need to improve public services fast to win back trust in government but they need the extra cash to do it.
Don't blame the people on better incomes who have also seen their standards of living drop fas well or not wanting to fork out more for the greater good, blame the current shower in government for breaking the the basic covenant of government with the people to provide reasonable and accessible services. The yeah but they can afford it arguments really don't cut it, most people on higher incomes work pretty hard for that money (people on less than £100k), it might be a lot to others but those earning that generally do actual graft to earn it. Get above the £100k mark and the reward vs input seems widen exponentially.
Just for clarity I am in the bracket that will undoubtedly get clobbered by Labour for a disproportionate increase in taxation but I'm still voting for them as I have done for the last 15 years.
I'm in a similar bracket Stumpy but I still realise what's gone on over the last 14yrs and I'm prepared to take the hit to start to put that right - rather than just stick my fingers in my ears and blame a new Labour Government costing me more even though they have to raise taxes out of absolute nessicity.
Everyone will moan but they'll also moan when they're waiting 6 months for a Cancer referral, which would you rather.
Referecing Stumpyjon, this is the exact position in Barbados many years ago - a government pilfering the taxes voted out by a massive majority, taxes and other costs e.g. tourist taxes then rising to be invested into decaying infrastructure and has been as promised by Mia Mottley. Its worth reading the "Political Career" bit of that < Wiki page because is highlight the startling familiarity of this paragraph with the UK.
And its working, I could see the difference last year, but the difference is although the locals grumble about increased taxes and the tourist grumble about "exit taxes" the locals recognise "their island" and thats where the money goes and accept it for the good of nation. They've much sharper memories and less dumb acceptance of the prior government who have not pretty much exiled themselves in large homes in foreign countries.
Sound familiar Mr Sunak? Its pretty much how this'll play out.
When speaking to the Tory voting people I know about the upcoming Labour government their absolute top concern is how much it’ll hit them in their pockets
Yep I get the same, I am surrounded by them where I work. They genuinely believe Labour will hammer their pensions, increase their taxes etc, for some reason.
When I ask if that is what happened under Blair they say no and then they can't answer why they think Starmer would be any different. They really are brainwashed.
I do agree with Stumpy Labour have a very difficult job to do, I can't see taxes not rising in some way, the positioning of that will be critical in coming years, but from my point of view if you pay little you get little - labour really have to show good evidence people are getting VFM further down the line. Even then it'll be absolute battleground.
TBH when the crunch comes you want to be able get an ambulance when you call one,be able to see a doctor when your are sick and not have to wait x amount of years for any surgery you may need,let alone not be able to get a dentist.
The new norm seems to be poor and expect very little in services, may as well pay a little more tax and be poorer but healthier 🙁
It's not just health though, transportation, social mobility, policing, overall although you're financially a fraction worse off, from a quality of life point of view you should feel all around improvements if implemented well.
but from my point of view if you pay little you get little – labour really have to show good evidence people are getting VFM further down the line.
Maybe it was deemed too risky a strategy, but the Tories have left the country in such a state that Labour/Starmer had a real chance to offer a real vision of a better Britain/society to rebuild after the pandemic and economic shocks since, in a way that they did after WW2
Klunk post about Sunak getting more plants in his campaigning is interesting cos he's never actually seen together with a cabinet colleague. Haven't seen a pic of him together with Cameron or anyone else at D-day, or at any other time. Haven't seen him with JHunt (not trying to evade the swear filter btw mods) or the health minister (who is that these days) or with mordaunt or shapps.
It's like he's a one man campaign and everyone's afraid of getting a case of the clap
Understandable really when you consider how much the Torys have already hit them hard in the pocket.
but most people don’t see it- as the thresholds have been frozen as pay goes up so does the tax disproportionately. All they are concerned about is the headline tax %.
Like the child benefit cap- that was £50k from day 1 and never moved until recently.
They have all these proposals to increase the limit and base it on household income, but it was pointed out at the time the inequality of it. Now after 11 years they are presenting it as a “Good Thing”.
It’s like he’s a one man campaign and everyone’s afraid of getting a case of the clap
It took until the second week of the campaign before any cabinet ministers put their head above the parapet. They’re all letting Rishi get on with it on his own. I can’t imagine why.
Rishi, hopeless narcissist that he is, also seems to favour a presidential style campaign that’s all about ME ME ME!!!
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more delusional politician. He clearly thinks that he’s great at this politics lark and that he’s actually popular, despite all evidence to the contrary on both counts
I suppose that’s just what happens when you’ve lived your entire life as a little prince, in a bubble of unimaginable privilege, during which you’ve never heard the word no and never been prevented from just doing whatever the hell you like with zero consequences.
seems Lil rishi going for the virtual fridge
Rishi Sunak’s heading to the North East on the campaign trail today, perhaps in the hope of talking less about D-Day and more about what he’d do as prime minister.
But we’ve been told he won’t be talking to us, the national media, and there will be no interviews. A possible “huddle” - when the PM takes a few questions from reporters off camera - has been cancelled. We’ve been told this is due to time pressure.
Was only a matter of time until he did a boris
Assuming the national media therefore don't bother reporting it, what would be the point of him going to meet some dyed-in-the-wool, handpicked Tories? It's not like he's going to change any minds.
Assuming the national media therefore don’t bother reporting it, what would be the point of him going to meet some dyed-in-the-wool, handpicked Tories? It’s not like he’s going to change any minds.
Because national media is an increasingly irrelevant medium with which to spread your message. Social media is what matters these days. Tory HQ can still tweet pics of him looking "prime ministerial" whilst meeting respectful members of the public, workers, business leaders etc. Who are all in reality party people. I've been guilty of sneering at the poor deluded Russians who swallow this sort of stunt when Putin pulls it, and yet it here it is in a UK election campaign. It's cynical and dishonest but it seems to be the way of the world now. I wouldn't be too uncertain that the other parties would do it too if they thought they could 'manage the optics' in that way without it being too obvious.
I don't think there's any conspiracy or infighting really because there is nothing left of the tories; 100 or more MPs leaving, theres no experienced heads. Rishi isn't listening to anyone outside his circle but the last ones are all fighting solo because they want to replace rishi, if they can hang onto their constituency first...
They may be waiting until right at the death to come out en masse, but that will be too little too late, got to love watching them implode in real time 🙂
The Times (so hardly a hostile publication) reported this morning that they’re having to bus these Tory stooges in from miles away for Rishi’s staged photoshoots.
Whats left of the usual pool of local Tory councillors are now so demoralised since being decimated at the local elections that none of them can be arsed
I’ve been guilty of sneering at the poor deluded Russians who swallow this sort of stunt when Putin pulls it,
There's a lot of self-protection involved in self-delusion in Russia. Why get your knickers in a twist by suggesting that maybe Putin didn't discover a Greek antiquity while scuba diving or didn't fairly score the winning goal in every pro-am ice hockey match every year for the last 15 years...? What are you gonna do about it?
It took until the second week of the campaign before any cabinet ministers put their head above the parapet. They’re all letting Rishi get on with it on his own. I can’t imagine why.
Guardian mentioned this in passing. One suggestion is they are mostly busy fighting for their own seats and dont have the time to waste at a national level.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more delusional politician
Errr…. Liz Truss?
To be honest I just see the whole thing as a waste of time and money. Nothing will change as there isn't the cash and people only want what suits them in the short term. All we get from all parties is a stack of half truths. (Of course it is easier if you aren't in power as all you have to do is say that the present incumbent is useless.) Why? Because we can't fix life.
Guardian mentioned this in passing. One suggestion is they are mostly busy fighting for their own seats and dont have the time to waste at a national level.
There’s probably a lot of truth in that
Also, I’d imagine that if Rishi wants it to be all about him, which he clearly does, then nobody else is going to be too concerned about letting him get on with it.
Nobody wants to be too closely associated with someone who looks like leading the party to its worst ever defeat. Best keep your powder dry for the inevitable ‘rats in a sack’ leadership contest or looking for a new job
Penny Mordaunt looked absolutely delighted to be having to apologise for Rishi’s monumental **** up last night.
Her very presence in the debate had ‘contractual obligation’ stamped all over it. She’ll be one of those bald men fighting over a comb on July 5th if she manages to keep her seat, which looks very questionable at the moment
Errr…. Liz Truss?
Fair point. Possibly the most delusional human being who’s ever lived. Apparently the oversexed honey monster is even hinting at the idea of a return. But then I suppose he always is, desperate to be centre of attention
Our polling cards arrived in the post here this week. Receiving them it’s hard to ignore how it’s such a waste holding another election so soon after the last local elections. Given the Conservatives aren’t even apparently taking the election seriously, could they not have pulled the trigger on it sooner?
'You cannot employ lesser qualified people instead of GPs...the country is not stupid'.
PM Rishi Sunak is challenged on the NHS by a member of the public during a campaigning event in Wiltshire.
Except the likes of Sunak DO think the country is stupid.
He thinks he is some kind of genius because he has got a few financial bets right, married into money and got to be PM (even if by default).
He's also seen the UK electorate vote itself poorer in 2016 off the back of crude, three word slogans and nudge-nudge racism. He saw the UK electorate give Boris Johnson a 80 seat majority on the basis of obviously bullshit 'policies', hiding in a fridge and tucking Corbyn up over the TV debate. OK, so Labour also effectively threw that GE.
But the point is that Sunak does think the electorate is stupid and he is not entirely without justification in that belief.
Anyway - the Tories are toast. Hopefully out of government for at least a decade.
🙏🤞🙏🤞
Nothing will change because we repeatedly choose not to invest in change.
Nothing will change as there isn’t the cash
I just want a government that consists predominantly of sane people - not something that’s been the case for quite a while now - that might actually address the countries issues rather than just relentlessly trying to **** us all by handing over all our taxes to their rich mates
You wouldn’t think that’s too much to ask, would you? But for the last 8 years I appear to have been living in a country that makes Italy under Berlesconi look like a bastion of democracy and sound economics
Nothing will change because people keep betting on the same two horses.
Let's face it, Labour could literally do nothing or say nothing and people would still be telling us we have to vote for them because if you don't you want the Tories to win.
That's the arrogance that cost them Scotland and it's the same arrogance that will cost them the rest of the UK if they don't do anything with the next 5 years.
As long as people only vote against parties we'll be stuck in the same stupid loop. Start voting for what you believe in and you might see change. Look what the SNP managed. Look what UKIP managed.
If ever there was a safe election to vote with your beliefs it's this one.
don’t think I’ve ever seen a more delusional politician
He's not a politician tho, not really, he's only in it for personal gain, and some other unknown reasons. He's never been there with public service in mind. It's only ever been about self promotion, and any time he's under pressure he has no political wiliness to get himself out of the merde. Just an awful person
Except the likes of Sunak DO think the country is stupid.
Well up until now people have voted for them so he has a point. But even stupid people can see something is wrong after witnessing it for 14 years but they are still stupid enough to vote them back in again in 5 years time expecting a different result.
With regard to actual policies (such as they are in their present back-of-a-fag-packet iterations) I see Rishi’s ‘Backing Drivers Plan’ as basically just giving themselves in Westminster yet more power to over-rule democratically elected devolved governments and local authorities about anything they don’t happen to like (which seems to encompass pretty much everything).
They seem very fond of that kind of thing. ‘Taking Back Control’ in action?
Ultimately it’s just further undermining democracy, removing peoples rights and centralising more power in the hands of fewer people (themselves) in the country that is already the most centralised in the developed world.
The usual libertarian right wing loons will love it, of course (why can’t I drive my 4x4 at 90mph everywhere? It’s my RIGHT!) but I can’t see it being much of a vote winner with anyone else
Tend to agree. But I do want them to have a decent majority
"Nothing will change because people keep betting on the same two horses" this is true, although FPTP means there are only ever two horses. If I was Starmer I'd be getting rid of it as well as the HoL ; and UBI with radical rebuild of taxation ; doing all the things that the Tories can't unwind when they get back into power because they have no shame in terms of dismantling all the stuff that labour build like the NHS the mass transportation
I made the mistake of discussing the election with some of my Brexity-Tory colleagues. They are overwhelmingly going to vote for Reform as "they can be trusted to stop the immigrants ". When I asked about Reforms policies on the NHS, education, the economy, defence etc., they couldn't answer and just came back to stopping immigration. It seemed to be all they care about. Not bothered about the country falling apart, as long as they can stop foreigners from coming here. Depressing
Richard Murphy
I couldn't agree less with him. Big majorities lead to bad government? So that presumably means that the 1997 Blair government was a bad government but that the 2010 Cameron government was a good government.
Which is obviously tosh. I must be one of Tony Blair's smallest fan on here but I would not hesitate to claim that the lying austerity coalition government of David Cameron was worse than any Blair government.
And as for the claim that a huge majority would be "bad for Labour because there would be no one to hold it to account" that's tosh too imho - Murphy himself provides the clue when he refers to backbenchers alledgedly causing trouble.
I don't want opposition to a Starmer government to come from the Tory Party. The Tory Party has nothing to offer imo and no useful role to play in parliament. A Starmer government can be held accountable by the LibDems, the SNP, the Greens, independents, and yes of course Labour backbenchers that are not in the government.
It doesn't require any input from the Tory Party in parliament, especially if it has been comprehensively rejected by the electorate.
To hope, and encourage, more of the electorate will vote Tory solely because you don't want Labour to have a large majority is ridiculous.
I very much hope that as few as possible vote Tory and I will be quite frankly ecstatic if Labour end up with a 300 seat majority. It would represent a very healthy step forward in British politics.
I made the mistake of discussing the election with some of my Brexity-Tory colleagues.
I have a friend who did a complete career change and moved into a care role. Not sure what it is exactly but it seems to involve helping people with autism, severe learning disabilities etc integrate into everyday society. She takes them shopping etc.
Since taking the job she's switched to voting Tory "because of all the benefits these people get" and she's sure the Tories will cut back on them. She thinks Sunak is a lovely man and exactly what we need. I've given up trying to reason with her.
FPTP means there are only ever two horses.
That's incorrect.
I'm glad Rayner pushed the election being around the economy and not immigration, i know it's a big thing on here and in the papers, and especially for Reform, but in reality the UK are pretty good with immigration, even during the last 14 years of a tory government, immigration has increased, i think the usual voters who talk immigration are really talking asylum seekers, and again, in the UK, we do tend to grant asylum to a greater number than our EU counterparts, so again, i don't think the system is broken, i just think it gets politicised too much.
The problem with a huge labour majority and the lib dems as the opposition is that the 30-35% of the country that voted for right wing parties would have no representation and only feel more aggrieved. Not sure that's particularly healthy. Even though being honest it's what I'd like to see!
I'm hoping a Starmer goverment will be held to account by people like Angela Rayner and Jess Phillips.
the 30-35% of the country that voted for right wing parties would have no representation and only feel more aggrieved.
So new converts to PR then.
I frankly couldn't give a monkeys how aggrieved the Tories and other right-wingers might feel.
The problem with a huge labour majority and the lib dems as the opposition is that the 30-35% of the country that voted for right wing parties would have no representation
Since June 2016 48% of us have had no representation so ****’em! They’ve had their turn and look where it’s got us
I’m hoping a Starmer goverment will be held to account by people like Angela Rayner and Jess Phillips.
I'd say they already are, he's had chances to ditch Rayner, but knows they're a package now, reality is, if they get in with a huge majority, then you have 5 years of Labour potentially launching leadership campaigns, but you need to get in power first, that's always been the thing people seem to gloss over about the whole Starmer thing.
I was happy to see that they didn't bend to Unite this week either, from discussions, the unions were pretty happy with the manifesto, bar the workers rights bit relating to certain things, again, get into power, then shape those policies, it's a slow road to progress in politics, we know that for a fact, otherwise the tories would have done a lot more in the last 14 years than they actually did!
"See you mate, you're a right ****."
