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Anyway, I see Farage managed to get a rise out a BBC presenter, disappointed to find out she only said
Nigel Farage with his, erm, customary inflammatory language there at a Reform UK press conference.
Rather than
Nigek Farage with his usual racist contbaggery, how about invoking the white cliffs of Dover and taking a long walk off of them?
if you’re using a catch-all term like “boomer”
Boomer was just a term for people born in a certain period like millennial or Gen-Z. It had no negative connotations for a long time. The voting record of boomers as a group is what has caused it to have negative connotations and therefore to be seen as an insult.
Like it or not, we all get lumped into groups. That's literally what political parties are doing. They don't care about the views of you as an individual. They only care about you as a member of a voting group.
That's why it's so difficult to not talk about groups when you talk about politics. It's baked into the concept.
You can scream, 'I'm not a number, I'm a free man!' all you like but in terms of politics I can 100% guarantee focus groups and political parties have assigned you a number and are targeting you based on that number, whether it applies to you as an individual or not.
Interestingly, this is the first election in 50 years where the boomers aren't the largest voting bloc.
Not while a huge mass of rancid jingoistic pensioners continues to vote tory there isn’t.
They are not a "huge mass". They are not even a majority. They have a disproportionate hold on Tory policy, which is being exposed and ridiculed now, but again, if all you can do is call people names because you disagree with their unpleasant views, that says as much about you as it does about them.
You're setting up to play your part in the next intergenerational battle, not working constructively to reduce division and inequality.
They are not even a majority.
Really?
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/26925-how-britain-voted-2019-general-election
Thanks Bruce.
This arbitrary division into named generations is so annoying. I am so close to fitting an era which has not got a name. There is also a lack of recognition that many of us coming on to the jobs market in the early 1980s may have had something of an "experience". All lives are different and to assume you are a T*** based on DoB is very offensive.
Finally for those older than myself - remember Johnson: take it on the chin, bodies pile up, they have had their lives. This is a group that did not just suffer silly collective names from the 1950s - they were all but culled when the Covid opportunity came round. Our anomalous death rates were not accidental.
All lives are different and to assume you are a T*** based on DoB is very offensive.
No one is doing that.
Once again, it's very difficult (or impossible) to discuss politics without breaking people into voter groups.
Lighten up S K, we weren't all being entirely serious.
People's consciousness can change. It's probably more useful to define people by class in relation to the means of production, buyers and sellers of labour power. That cuts across ages, ethnic groups, regions etc.
It’s probably more useful to define people by class
Maybe once. But when a lot of people doing middle class jobs think they’re working class (presumably because they have a job) it’s less helpful.
It’s probably more useful to define people by class in relation to the means of production, buyers and sellers of labour power. That cuts across ages, ethnic groups, regions etc.
The trouble there is at the last election there wasn't much difference across this classification:
Like it or not, age is the single most reliable indicator* of the way you are likely to vote (again, not you as an individual). Not talking about age is like trying to discuss politics in the 70s without talking about what people did for a living.
*with the possible exception of education level
such as? I’ll be a pensioner in a couple of years, and I’d hate to see any unexpected costs coming my way…
Higher tax if educator gets his way 🤣
As an up and coming pensioner have you factored in having the heating on all day if you can't get out, more dentistry & opticians costs, care costs, travel insurance, travel costs once you are no longer able to cycle or drive - just a few I can think of off the top of my head & yes there are reductions in costs in many areas too but suggesting it's a one way street & old age is a bed of cheaper roses is not the full picture.
I wasn’t far off with Farage. He hasn’t yet advocated carpet bombing the French coast but he has said the Royal Marines should be deployed to intercept and turn back boats
Righto Nige. That’s not remotely mental.
But the senile, racist pensioners of Eastbourne now want that to happen, not whatever Rishi is offering
Can't use the term pensioners now - that's ageist
If she buys say a cheaper £400K property, or even rent somewhere for rest of her life (she is over 80) then she is very well off isn’t she.
Yeah, absolutely, but it requires someone to realise the paper/nominal value of their home by selling it instead of living in it! As long as someone just wants to carry on living in their home, or even if they just want to sell it and buy something similar, then it's fair for them not to feel like they're any "richer" day to day, because they're not. We all need to live somewhere.
Obviously it's better than not to have a bunch of unearned wealth in the equity of the house in which you live - but you can only really "cash it in" once, by moving to live somewhere smaller or moving to live somewhere cheaper or not needing to live anywhere any more...because you're dead.
Would people prefer it if we used the generation's full name?
Babyboomers - rather than just Boomers? Or we could call them Babies? but that might get confusing
You can access home equity via an equity release mortgage, no need to move out your home.
I think it’s deliberate but not for the reasons stated.
There’s nothing left
You might be right. You need Labour back in to rebuild a little bit of the state so you can come back in and strip it out later. The only problem is that I'm not sure Labour are going to do much rebuilding. It seems more like they're going with 'we won't change anything at all' rather than 'we will rebuild', so will there be anything to asset strip when the Tories get back in?
Also I'm very, very wary about the glee in relation to the Tories haemorrhaging votes to Reform. A sharp swing rightwards should be a cause for real alarm, not seen as 'ah, a return to sensible politics, I can't wait for the calm and normal times that are surely ahead'.
As an up and coming pensioner have you factored in having the heating on all day if you can’t get out, more dentistry & opticians costs, care costs, travel insurance, travel costs once you are no longer able to cycle or drive – just a few I can think of off the top of my head & yes there are reductions in costs in many areas too but suggesting it’s a one way street & old age is a bed of cheaper roses is not the full picture.
Just use your free bus pass to get you down to the local ‘spoons.
Just £1.58 will buy you a refillable cup for hot drinks. Spend all day there. Take your laptop for STW browsing . You can easily get 10,000 steps in by simply going to the toilet a few times
The only problem is that I’m not sure Labour are going to do much rebuilding. It seems more like they’re going with ‘we won’t change anything at all’ rather than ‘we will rebuild’
Labour at the moment seem to be going with "marginally less ****y than Tories" rather than anything actually aspirational.
They've already said they'll push that Tory-led Dangerous Cycling bill through in the next parliamentary term.
Way to go Labour, focus on the big issues of the day there.
The thing about stereotypes is that they work. Sure there are exceptions to prove the rule but as a boomer I recognise the traits of my own cohort in those around me . Brexit polling was some of the most interesting I've seen because it broke down voters into groups based on age and declared political leaning. The geography of the final results gave us the rest. The people I know who voted Brexit conform to all of the mainly negative traits attributed to the stereotypical Brexiteer. The Remainers didn't conform to that stereotype.
I had a chat with my middle-aged, Dutch, oil industry neighbour today. As we talked he ticked all the boxes you'd expect a middle-aged, Dutch, oil industry worker to tick. The assumptions I'd made meant I made no major faux pas and we got along fine even though we're at oppposite ends of the political spectrum. He no doubt made assumtions about me too, however he was surprised to find someone with a British background doesn't drink beer or anything alcoholic.
Weighing people up quickly and accurately is useful skill, all the stereotypes you have in your head help. Master them well and you're more likely to suceed, and less likely to get ripped off or punched in the face.
I think a better term for those born 59-65 would be "Thatcher victims".
The thing about stereotypes is that they work.
Weighing people up quickly and accurately is useful skill, all the stereotypes you have in your head help. Master them well and you’re more likely to suceed
Does that apply to stereotypes based on race/ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, as well as those based on age and nationality?
Ffs we did all this with “not all men”, get over it. We’re not talking about YOU, stop making it about YOU.
I didn't realise you were the spokesperson for others here.
Yeah, absolutely, but it requires someone to realise the paper/nominal value of their home by selling it instead of living in it! As long as someone just wants to carry on living in their home, or even if they just want to sell it and buy something similar, then it’s fair for them not to feel like they’re any “richer” day to day, because they’re not. We all need to live somewhere.
You're looking at it form the perspective of someone who has the resultant expensive house. Look at it from everyone else coming through below you point of view. They have all the same outgoings, expenses and earning potential as you, AND they have to pay a £400k mortgage just to be in the same position.
I had to explain to my grandparents why them saving up for 18months in the 60's to buy a house isn't comparable to me having to sign upto a 28 year mortgage and put aside £3k a month to cover it and bills and that was part of the reason why I wasn't really considering having kids.
Gran on the other side gets in through 😂 she quipped that thanks to rapid inflation her last few mortgage payments were the equivalent to about 50p a month.
Never mind the polling, here’s the odds after the first week of campaigning
How far down that list is a Con/Reform coalition?
You've just listed them, you tell me if you apply them in that way, blokeupthe road. Some charateristics trump others. Nationality for example trumps all of those to such an extent that they're irrelevant IMO. Nationality tells you about the education system someone has been through, the political sytem they've familiar with, very often the religious codes they're likely to follow. Jobs trump all those too. Even the car you drive tells me so much more than race/ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation that they just aren't worth considering. The driver of Zoé is less likely to drive like a dick that an BMW Xsomething driver and far less likely to refuse me priority as a cyclist, without knowing their gender, colour or whatever, they chose to drive BMW Xsomething, my neighbours father owns an Xsomething - Madame Edukator realisied it was his and muttered "figures". So race/ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation are useless sterotyping tools unless you're racist, homophobic or whatever in which case you'll probably be really crap at evaluating people.
You’ve just listed them, you tell me if you apply them in that way, blokeupthe road.
I'm not the one defending stereotyping as a useful tool to evaluate others or claiming that it's a useful life skill. You did that, without specifying which ones you were referring to which is why I asked. So just the ones which support your own prejudices then?
You’ve just listed them, you tell me if you apply them in that way, blokeupthe road. Some charateristics trump others. Nationality for example trumps all of those to such an extent that they’re irrelevant IMO. Nationality tells you about the education system someone has been through, the political sytem they’ve familiar with, very often the religious codes they’re likely to follow. Jobs trump all those too. Even the car you drive tells me so much more than race/ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation that they just aren’t worth considering. The driver of Zoé is less likely to drive like a dick that an BMW Xsomething driver and far less likely to refuse me priority as a cyclist, without knowing their gender, colour or whatever, they chose to drive BMW Xsomething, my neighbours father owns an Xsomething – Madame Edukator realisied it was his and muttered “figures”. So race/ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation are useless sterotyping tools unless you’re racist, homophobic or whatever in which case you’ll probably be really crap at evaluating people.
The word you were looking for was "yes".
Craig Murray:
I just heard Rachel Reeves launch Labour's economic policy at Rolls Royce. Not one single word that Thatcher would not have said. And a great many words that Thatcher did say. Specifically the repeated spurious comparison between family finances and state finances.
Can I suggest a new thread on the benefits of stereotyping?
Can I suggest a new thread on the benefits of stereotyping?
That's exactly the sort of suggestion I'd expect from someone like you 😉
So just the ones which support your own prejudices then?
You're assuming that stereotyping is always negative.
Sterotyping is rife on this very forum. Drac is a parapedic therefore he is a good bloke/hero with 101 likes. I don't have a problem with that stereotyping. There used to be 7 or 8 cops on here, they got much more mixed reactions despite being members of the emergency services too. TJ was a nurse, that got positive feedback. But you may have missed the shite that was dealt out to teachers on here a few years back and still is by some. When I told people I was a teacher in the UK I knew the assumptions they'd make on the basis of my profession. How how I laughed when I heard the daughter of the most anti-teacher person I knew had become a teacher - to be fair the guy did later admit he'd been wrong about teachers.
"Prejudice - opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience."
My wariness of BMX Xsomething drivers is based on reason and experience. I might help me live longer and avoid injury.
Getting weary of this attack on me now. Blokeuptheroad your posting is full of stereotyping. He who lives in a glasshoues shouldn't throw stones, right. Just a harmless example of food based nationality and class stereotyping then maybe we can get the thread back on track:
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/foods-you-dislike-that-everyone-else-loves/
That’s exactly the sort of suggestion I’d expect from someone like you 😉
🤣👏
Summary of Tory election campaign so far
Day0 A dead eyed Sunak u-turns & calls a GE in a torrential downpoor drowned out by D-Ream/Steve Bray
Day1 Sunak gets caught out taking staged qs from Tory councilors dressed as warehouse workers, fails to organise a footy chat in a brewery
Day2 Sunak has to ditch all his flagship policies (including Martyn’s law, who’s mum he’d promised way back on Day0would pass b4 summer)
Refuses to pay out on his £1000 charity bet with Piers Morgan
Sunak tries a relaunch at the place they launched the Titanic
Tsunami of MPs quitting including Gove (having told his local tory Branch he would be standing) & Leadsome CCHQ now needs to find 150 candidates
Sunak finishes the day being filmed building a red wall at a skills centre
Day3 Sunak plans to take a day at home, but after the press finds out, manages a photo-op breakfast with some pensioners
1st major policy announcement- mandatory national service for under 18s- money from this taken from leveling up fund
Day4 President of Birmingham Young Conservatives quits & joins Lib Dems in protest over National Service Plan
James Cleverly has to clarify that 18 year olds wont face jail if they refuse National Service & that they could also chose to be fire fighters or 1st aid responders
Boris Johnsons confirms he will be out of the country for most of the election
Day5 Outgoing Tory MP Lucy Allan urges voters to back Reform candidate- is immediately suspended from Tory Party
CCHQ accidentally emailed Tory MPs blaming them for their failing campaign
Steve Baker MP says national service plan wont work & sunak said there'd be no election until autumn, so he'll be campaigning from his holiday in Greece
Andy Street says he won't run as an MP
Tories needing to find 160 candidates in 10 days (including 30 'safe' seats)
2nd policy drop- quadruple lock for pensioners
Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP says that parents would be fined if 18 year olds dont attend national service
Let’s face it, the election is either going to lead to a Labour government or an attempt to establish the shittest fascist state ever
Thems the choices on offer folks, whatever age you are
And a great many words that Thatcher did say.
In the correct order?
I blame the English.
They voted for brexit, they voted tory, time after time over the last 14 years.
Not while a huge mass of rancid jingoistic
pensionersEnglish continue to vote tory there isn’t.
Can I suggest a new thread on the benefits of stereotyping?
I have just experienced the perils of stereotyping. Upon seeing this election leaflet which arrived today my immediate reaction, after clocking the proud union flag display, was "Ah, an election leaflet from Reform UK".
How wrong could I be to think that Reform UK has a monopoly on flag shagging.
Not a single mention of Sir Keir Starmer in that leaflet btw.......... very wise.
Nice to see that Tory Kuenssberg, and Lizzy T's best mate, will cover ejection night - looking forward to her look of disappointed when we get the multiple Portillo Moments.
We same to be moving towards an STW approved qualification of who should be allowed to vote. So far we seem to have established that they should be:
Millennial or younger.
Scottish (or at the very least not English).
Anyone care to expand on this?
Steps , toilet. Cheers. Just got diagnosed with a young person's (Cicada hatch X?) disease which has me currently stuck to a toilet. Not getting many steps because of that and have just had my first bike outing for 3 months.
Funny about those Labour posters - here none of them have flags on them (OK a faint shadow of a saltire in England football shirt style colouring). Don't frighten the SNP protest voters.
I had a look at Ben Taylor's facebook page. OK so it's a bit Ingeeerland ! and Tory light but if I lived in Croydon South I'd vote for him as the candidate most likely to beat the Tories.
In reply to your last post I'd like to remind you of soemthing you once said, Blokeuptheroad:
We can only hope that one day you’ll contribute to the forum instead of popping up predictably at every trolling opportunity.
Kuenssberg will look even more sour-faced than normal. Bye bye to her 'special access' aka pretending to have scoops whilst kite-flying fir the Tories.
For all the folk getting hot under the collar about being generalised about - it isn't people on here you need to direct your ire at.
Sunak is clearly targeting his culture war policies at the over 70s. He is doing this because his advisors are telling him that is now their key constituency with where they are politically and they are feeling the squeeze from Reform within this group.
To argue against this you are going to need to construct an argument that National Service is a more attractive notion to U70s than over 70s on average.
Everyone knows there are spectrums within groups, but the averages don't lie and take a long time to change. This is why the strategists come up with Wellingborough Man or other such generalisations. It is your fellows within the stereotypes you should be annoyed at.
When folk from EU countries express their disbelief to me about the stupidity of Brexit, I don't get angry at them!
We same to be moving towards an STW approved qualification of who should be allowed to vote. So far we seem to have established that they should be:
Millennial or younger.
Scottish (or at the very least not English).
Anyone care to expand on this?
People who understand that "demographic X voted for a thing I disagree with" isn't necessarily the same as "demographic X shouldn't be allowed to vote" 😉
but if I lived in Croydon South I’d vote for him as the candidate most likely to beat the Tories.
He will actually probably win the seat from the Tories/ Chris Philp. The polls are currently predicting it. Which is astonishing as Croydon South used to be one of the safest Tory seat in the UK.
I suspect that if the Tories lose Croydon South they will quite likely lose every seat in London.
I'm in a slight dilemma because I would be ecstatic if the Tories lost every seat in London but the LibDem candidate for Croydon South is a good guy - extremely good on Palestine, ex-army, and more left-wing than the Labour Party. I've heard him talk at my local mosque.
Edit: To be clear the appeal of the Tories losing every seat in London is based on its entertainment value, that doesn't need to happen for Labour to form the government in five weeks time. The Tories could retain Croydon South and Starmer will still become PM. There is no doubt that the outcome of July 4th will be a Labour government.
In reply to your last post I’d like to remind you of soemthing you once said, Blokeuptheroad:
As you appear to have gone to some considerable effort to trawl through my old posts, you're going to have to enlighten me. I've a few thousand posts so I have absolutely no recollection of to whom, or in what context I wrote that. Are you implying I'm trolling here? I'm absolutely not. If you feel the need to take issue with that, please do it by PM so we don't clog up this useful thread any more 🙂
https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1795098416634077228
Looks like he nearly went over at the end of the cones. Imagine being the sitting PM unable to travel to campaign for re-election because you've shattered your tibia playing football with kids for a photo op!
I knew Ben Taylor about a decade ago. Bit of a chancer is an understatement. Quite entrepreneurial though.
Well this is terrible news for the Tories & their client media, the Daily Mail spent weeks trying to build this into a story
https://twitter.com/MarkerJParker/status/1795467793678078251
Well this is terrible news for the Tories & their client media, the Daily Mail spent weeks trying to build this into a story
Perhaps they will phone up the police chief again and ask him to try another investigation.
That's old news - the Daily Mail have got a new story to beat her with...
Do you get to vote in the UK General Election this time, Ernie ? It's a first for me, I wondered if you'd sorted out your citizenship or will have to wait for the French elections. I'll be voting LibDem in a Tory stronghold where I expect the LibDems to beat Labour. The only valid address proof I could find was a P45 so I'm doomed to voting at the postcode on that.
Survation not showing any tightening after the first 6 days
https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1795478983296876965
Apparently (says guido fawkes) there is better news for the Tories in a later poll today, possibly Redfield & Whiton 'mega poll' due at 5pm
I am imagining a handy excuse.
For when you can't find a nearby fridge.
I'm sure he can be suitably heroic from hospital, like Boris was during Covid. Although I still believe there was nothing wrong with him and he was simply hiding out for a couple of weeks, probably shagging one of the nurses while he was at it.
Do you get to vote in the UK General Election this time, Ernie ? It’s a first for me, I wondered if you’d sorted out your citizenship
No I haven't !! I had a vote at the local elections in May but I won't have one on July 4th, which is why I use terms such as "support" rather than "vote", I wouldn't want to be accused of lying!
Most general elections I do election work, the last one was in 2017, so will more than likely be doing canvassing/leafleting for this one. So I am in a dilemma which campaigns to support, possibly LibDems in Croydon South (I've canvassed for the LibDems before) very possibly for Corbyn in Islington North. I'm not a huge supporter of Corbyn but it is one of the very few seats which Labour might realistically lose. And right now Palestine is the clincher for me. I don't want to see any politician in parliament that tacitly supports genocide. I simply wouldn't trust them with the more mundane stuff if they do.
Looks like the Redfield one is not the good news poll the Tories were hoping for
https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1795485183073775620
@BruceWee It's interesting to compare the 2019 figures with the current Yougov voting intention figures
The Tory vote is down across the board as we all expect though the far right vote remains stubbornly high in the 60+ group if you factor in the Reform party. On the upside that hopefully equates to a split in the far right resulting in fewer seats for both parties.
Looking at the source data it would appear to be poorly educated 70+ home owning English male retirees who are the biggest "culprits" when it comes to supporting the far right. The numbers are undeniable and I meet many of those criteria. I'm a wishy washy centrist.
Voting by social grade now has big reductions in right wing support in C2 and DE which is nice to see.
Oh and speaking of source data I wonder why the age bands are different for "Age" and "Age by Gender" categories.
according to this theres really not much room for polls to tighten, at best the Tories could hope for a 5% swing?
https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1795487775065510282
That good news poll the tories were excited about has
Labour 40
Con 28
ref 12
LD 10
Green 5
Which is only a 160 seat majority for labour
With the tories set to lose a mere 200 seats😂
Cheers @Edukator. We’ve been campaigning since the back end of last year
Our delightful, amply-foreheaded Tory MP, James Daly, has been remarkably quiet today since his constant hounding of Angela Raynor had turned out to be a complete waste of everyone’s time, mainly Greater Manchester Polices.
I’m very much looking forward to playing my small part in his own personal little ‘Portillo Moment’ as he’s sent packing on July 4th. The individual polling in our constituency shows that with the smallest majority in the country (100 votes), he’s toast!
Is there a way of looking at polling by constituency? And I don't mean using Twitter!
Looking at the source data it would appear to be poorly educated 70+ home owning English male retirees who are the biggest “culprits” when it comes to supporting the far right.
Well, who'd have thunk it?
The individual polling in our constituency shows that with the smallest majority in the country (100 votes), he’s toast!
My constituency (High Peak) is also very marginal (600 votes in it last time!). It's flipped a couple of times, currently blue with the useless Robert Largan:
Consistently voted against improving biodiversity
Consistently voted against improving air quality
Generally voted against measures to prevent climate change
Generally voted against improving environmental water quality
Consistently voted for making it easier to remove someone's British citizenship
Voted for mass surveillance of people’s communications and activities
Almost always voted for stronger laws and enforcement of immigration rules
So yeah, standard Tory.
Keir Starmer told the BBC on Friday that Abbott is “going through and being part of and getting to the end of a disciplinary process because of something she said”.
Oh dear, Starmer has been caught lying. It wasn't "getting to the end of a disciplinary process" last Friday, the disciplinary process apparently ended 5 months ago.
This won't go down well with black voters and given the problem Labour currently has with Muslim voters this isn't going to help.
It will undoubtedly help Labour lose some votes in critical areas and I can't see it providing much in the way of extra votes.
There is a greater possibility now imo that Labour will lose Islington North, and even maybe a couple of more to independents. Although more likely it might stop Labour from winning a few seats from the Tories.
Welcoming ERG far-right loonies like Elphicke into the Labour Party with open arms is dodgy enough, but alienating traditional Labour voters to this extent is dangerous stuff.
Especially when it is combined with getting caught lying.
Is there a way of looking at polling by constituency? And I don’t mean using Twitter
@vlad_the_invader - I’ll try and dig it out for you but there was a massive poll recently by individual constituencies.
I’ve just seen on the north west news that we had a visit from Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton today in support of someone with a similar sized forehead. They kept that one quiet or we could have arranged a suitable reception for him
Especially when it is combined with getting caught lying.
Starmer's a ****, my only contribution.
This won’t go down well with black voters and given the problem Labour currently has with Muslim voters this isn’t going to help.
Won't go down well with many people not only black or Muslim voters.
I bet Tories and Labour are heavily influenced by some powerful lobbyists.
Keir Starmer told the BBC on Friday that Abbott is “going through and being part of and getting to the end of a disciplinary process because of something she said”.
Oh dear, Starmer has been caught lying. It wasn’t “getting to the end of a disciplinary process” last Friday, the disciplinary process apparently ended 5 months ago.
In the version I heard it seems that although the investigation ended 5 months ago, there has been an ongoing discussion since about sanction and whether she will stand again.
So may not exactly have been lying but may have been economical with the truth.
So may not exactly have been lying but may have been economical with the truth
`spoken like a lawyer..........wait!....starmer is a lawyer aint he?.
BBC reporting that she's been readmitted to the party.
In other news, I saw that Sunak was at Churchill China in Stoke today. I was unfortunate enough to get sent there to do work experience in 2002. I was as about as enthusiastic as his audience looked.
So may not exactly have been lying but may have been economical with the truth.
He told the BBC on Friday that it was "getting to the end of the disciplinary procedure". The end of the disciplinary was 5 months ago.
So clearly not the truth. If he wanted to be truthful he should have been honest and said "we finished the disciplinary procedure 5 months ago but I still haven't decided what to do about restoring the Labour whip because if I stall it long enough another Labour general election candidate will be bounced in"
In other news, I saw that Sunak was at Churchill China in Stoke today. I was unfortunate enough to get sent there to do work experience in 2002. I was as about as enthusiastic as his audience
Imagine being pressganged from your shit job to attend an audience with not just over-enthusiastic head boy Sunak but also the knuckle-draggers knuckle-dragger Johnathan Gullis?
No wonder they looked like they’d lost the will to live.
No, to be fair at my workplaces (current and past) a disciplinary procedure ends after the sanction is agreed/confirmed, until then it's still ongoing.
It might be dubious that it takes 5 months to agree the sanction and only now fixed now it's become a time limited issue with the upcoming election, but I can see a version of the truth where they were still coming to the end of the disciplinary procedure last Friday.