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But if you think a fairly localised mini riot like the Capitol is “America succumb[ing] to domestic terrorism and mob rule”, I think you’re over estimating what happened. They were back in and debating and voting within 6 hours or something. Catastrophising (sp?) that event in the language you used is giving them more credit than they deserve.
I think the point is that somewhere something broke down very very close to the centre of power in America
There was a mock gallows outside the building and Pence was to be lynched for betraying trump, he was one doorway and 4 secret service agents away from a bunch of militia nuts in body armour with zip tie handcuffs & tazers
I dont rate this as the most legit news source but....
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-capitol-police-2021-1?
Some more detail here
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/09/us-capitol-insurrection-white-supremacist-terror
Two pipe bombs had been found at Republican and Democratic party offices near Congress and the assault on the Capitol had begun. Those who had gathered there in the morning were a harder-edged crowd than the Ellipse – more male with a lot more paramilitary gear. Someone had hung a rope noose on a frame on the Capitol grounds, and the vocabulary was noticeably more violent.
“I heard at least three different rioters at the Capitol say that they hoped to find Vice-President Mike Pence and execute him by hanging him from a Capitol Hill tree as a traitor,” Jim Bourg, news pictures editor in Reuters’ Washington bureau, recalled on Twitter. “It was a common line being repeated. Many more were just talking about how the [vice-president] should be executed.”
Even with the rubbish police response they really did not get that close to any of the lawmakers and in the US even more than in many other countries seizing the parliament buildings will do very little
Yes they were only a door and some SS agents away from pence at one point but they would never have got thru the doorway - they would have been shot. first one shot and the rest run awy
Revolutions only work with a huge majority of the country running them - see romania
kimbers
Full MemberGreat thread here about the more serious looking militia types
One of the men photographed with zipties was a retired airforce lieutenant colonel.
His explanation is brilliant though- he just found them, and thought it was a bit worrying, so he was going to hand them in to the police- only slightly undermined by the fact that he had the chance to do so, and didn't. "Oops, those hostage-taking tools I found unattended and thought was worrying enough to pick up keep safe? I subsequently forgot all about them".
But why were you there, if you're totally blameless and not associated with violence, rioting etc? "I saw no signs of violence, I thought we were welcome to enter the building". And the tactical gear? "In case I got stabbed by antifa" He says he definitely didn't enter Pelosi's office, even though he was filmed leaving it- I mean, leaving an office isn't suspicious, only entering it would be.
I watched season 7 of homeland, I'm not sure if that's influenced my take on this, at the time I thought that series was a bit daxt, but now....
"Yes they were only a door and some SS agents away from pence at one point but they would never have got thru the doorway – they would have been shot. first one shot and the rest run awy"
Of course, you're right. I forgot that they had all been thoroughly searched by the police before they were allowed in the building, no chance anyone could have bought in a gun, a hand grenade or an error.... um.....PIPE BOMB!
I'm sure Pence pretty chill about it all, probably caught up on a bit of paperwork whilst the fuss was going on.
There were 4 men with pistols behind that door, there were hundreds on the other side!
tjagain
Full Memberfirst one shot and the rest run awy
You know that someone was shot, and the rest did not run away, right?
Where is Chewk?
pointing out that Donald Trump and Cyril Smith have never been seen in the same room?
Makes you think...
I don't expect there to be any trou me at the innaugaration at all. The odds of a lone wolf type attack succeeding will be no more than for any other inauguration. (Not that there won't be lots of nutters planning or fantasizing about it)
The inaugaration will have the tightest, heaviest security for anything ever in the history of everything.
TJ, They were there due to the political rhetoric of a despotic child who demands ultimate loyalty and cannot accept defeat.
Excellent Twitter thread below by Seth Abramson, I know, yet another “Twitter thread” that is essential reading reading but please do, Seth is a fantastic journalist who dissect trumps “stop the steal” speech and exposes it for what it is, a brazen call for insurrection.
It’s long, but very much worth 20mins of your time
https://twitter.com/sethabramson/status/1347908845281095680?s=21
I'd like to have a look at cable guy's parler account. I Imagine the Feds are having a peep right now.
You know that someone was shot, and the rest did not run away, right?
They didn't come thru the door tho did they?
I think if they had tried there would have been dozens dead
What's that phrase?
"we'd run out of bullets before they run out of bodies"
I think you need to read a book on risk assessment.
I think if they had succeeded it wouldn't have looked too good for Pence and Pelosi.
Somafunk - that long Twitter thread is 😱. I’ve not heard the full speech before.
Using that Pie character to say, “people need to calm the ____ down”, is bit hypocritical, no?
They didn’t come thru the door tho did they?
The woman who was shot was the first climbing through a broken window toward the secret service who were pointing guns at her. When she fell backwards some people ducked but most remained standing and at least one took his phone out and started texting. It was weird
Trump keeps going so he can fund raise from his base
The so called coup was Trump throwing that away, any coup needs to be led, there was no leadership, he just launched them and hoped something might happen. What did happen is brave people did their jobs and normal service returned
What was the threat from the crowd? probably handguns (but no law enforcement hit), two guys with cable ties and two pipebombs which are small beer for American domestic terrorism, not even at what could be described as a top tier target for your average mid ranking officer from a banana republic. They were political, meant to disrupt, but not really coup material. We have seen a lot worse at state level in the US
The sad incident where the person was shot, it wasn't just four guys with pistols there was a heavily armed squad the other side, watch the videos they come into shot immediately after she is first moved.
Why was this the typical Trump failure? The crowd were all sorts of randoms and small groups, some had there own plans, some had no plan and went with the moment. The more "dangerous" types seem not to have made any ground other than with the crowd they will spend the next few years telling stories about what could have been waiting for the FBI knock at the door. The reality was that there was no plan, it was a spoiler to stop Biden having a simple confirmation. They most certainly were not planning which US military units were going to which TV stations and when to knock out mobile and internet Comms (you know, like what you would do if you were that mid ranking officer from a banana republic planning a coup)
The policing strategy was a joke prior to the march on the Capitol, but the right decision was made not to resist the crowd when they didn't have numbers, they kept people safe, they allowed the energy to disipate, and then swept them back out again when reinforcement arrived. Bloodbath avoided, one potential martyr, probably neutered by the death of the police officer.
And now the arrests start with the FBI investigating and likely to have the secret service and other agencies in the mix. Personally I'd have waited for 21st Jan so Trump couldn't pardon them.
Three steps back for the MAGA loons
What’s that phrase?
“we’d run out of bullets before they run out of bodies”
I think you need to read a book on risk assessment.
I think if they had succeeded it wouldn’t have looked too good for Pence and Pelosi.
I think TJ has it right, they would have been stopped but a lot more would be dead, the squad with rifles crowd side would have made a mess and it gets very hard to be number 11 trying to get through a small window when you have to climb over the ten previous dead bodies.
Yeah, I hope the fbi is building a case against trump personally but after spending far too much time browsing the investigative Twitter threads over the past couple of days I fear that once they start to unravel this act of sedition and research all the players involved it’s going to be a very rough time for America’s standing as the seat of democracy around the world.
It’s more involving than can be merely blamed on a riotous unruly crowd, they knew exactly why they there, they knew exactly who summoned them there, they knew the exact verbal cue point in the speech “and we’re going to the capital, to take back our country, so let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue” and off they went, trump incited a riot/insurrection on capital hill.
If there is a golden thread to the speech and specific lines in it Trump will be in real trouble.
I really don't think he is capable of that level of planning
Also too many randoms in the crowd, I kept noticing a woman in a hat and pink coat taking selfies near the press. Smartly dressed, clearly not there to mix it
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/mary-miller-apologize-hitler-comments/index.html
Republican US Rep. Mary Miller of Illinois
Hitler was right on one thing. He said, 'Whoever has the youth has the future.' Our children are being propagandized," Miller had said, appearing to read from prepared remarks.
Even with the rubbish police response they really did not get that close to any of the lawmakers
But not because of want of trying, they knew where to find Nancy Pelosi's office, and (obviously) ransacked it. Without looking, would you know where to go to find the offices of Speaker or Leader of the Opposition at the Palace of Westminster? I wouldn't. Some-one had done their homework. Plus there's that picture of the bloke with the zip-ties, he was going to take hostages.
The so called coup was Trump throwing that away, any coup needs to be led
Just because it was a badly executed one, shouldn't distract people away from the fact that it was a coup attempt. America needs to ask it'self why it treats demonstrations like insurrection (the BLM march of last summer) and it's insurrections like demonstrations (the Stop the steal march of last week) I understand there's a racial element, but it runs deeper than that alone.
Also too many randoms in the crowd, I kept noticing a woman in a hat and pink coat
The marchers themselves are a bloody weird group, and they use a weird mix of symbols (there's a PHD in this probably) but here's neo-Nazism, Wotanism, southern Christianity, holocaust denial, bible references, US army fatigues and paraphernalia, it's such a weird group of often conflicting world views...
You know that someone was shot, and the rest did not run away, right?
They didn’t come thru the door tho did they?
there had been a few doors before they got to that one and there were no where near as many mean in body armour behind it. I think as we first saw pictures it sort or looked like the protesters just ambled in and wandered around until they reached the chamber and that that was the only point the only point where there was any kind of push back - but seeing more footage emerge now its less surprising that people died
Although having been chased by a hippopotamus myself I can testify that they are absolutely bloody terrifying and responsible for more human deaths than any other animal.
Hippopotamuses kill c 500 people per year
Dogs kill c 20 000 to 50 000
Mosquitoes kill in the millions
You're miss-reading the use of the word 'they' - multiple dogs are and mosquitos kill thousands / millions per year - but he referring to one specific hippopotamus killing c500 people per year. He simply neglected to mention that when the hippos was chasing him they were driving a bus - and they have a bit of habit of falling asleep a the wheel
Even with the rubbish police response they really did not get that close to any of the lawmakers
Because this cop distracted them and led them the other way. If they'd noticed the open door, it might have been totally different.
https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1348147196441604096
Revolutions only work with a huge majority of the country running them – see romania
I think TJ sums it up there.
The specific point Inkster was stating was that the US had "succumbed" to mob rule, when clearly it hadn't.
There's a significant number of people on this site who really like to jump to the far end of any point of view without stopping to check if what they are saying makes logical sense when the facts are considered in the cold light of day.
The zip ties were pretty sinister - they weren't just a job lot of big fat cable ties brought along just in case, they were double-looped, made specifically to restrain people. And the seeming collusion of some of the police is ****ing chilling....
For me, the big take from this is that the US has been removed as a player on the world stage more effectively than at any time since its founding. Any time it wants to comment on a power transition anywhere else this weeks scenes will be played back.
As Russian interference through organisations like the Wagner Group is seen more and more in Africa, former Soviet republics, Latin America and other places the US and U.K., formerly the centre of coalitions preventing this, have been almost completely removed from the equation and rendered impotent.
The US has lost influence in the UN, EU, NATO, WHO and other international bodies, and have no moral heft to promote their way of democracy as exemplary.
I remember in the 90s thinking the west had won the Cold War, but Putin and his used his sock puppets to win the geopolitical game in the early part of the 21st century.
I think Trump is acting as his ego and personality dictate, rather than receiving overt signals from Moscow station, but I also think their has been a lot of effort to put him where he is, amplify and promote certain messages amongst his advisors and supporters and disrupt groups and actions which would have stopped this sooner.
Whoever in the FSB twigged that switching from using ideology driven left wing politicians to ego driven right wing politicians was the best way to achieve their goals was a genius.
Revolutions only work with a huge majority of the country running them – see romania - I think TJ sums it up there.
The start of the Romanian Revolution was a small protest march of Hungarians who were protesting about a church being shut down. The Boston tea Party was perhaps less than 30 folks.
Just because it was a crap one does not mean it wasn't a coup attempt, he's got more & more desperate as lawsuits failed & as Abrahmson pointed out has been planning this for a month, he's no general directing his troops, just a rabble rouser winding up his base & pointing them where he wants them
Has this been on a warm summers day (27-32 is optimal riot temp) & not in the middle of a pandemic, the crowds would've been much bigger
Trump would never describe it as a coup, he doesn't believe its a coup, just him getting what he really deserves
The fact is he told his crowd to go and stop the confirmation of Biden
Half of Republican voters thought the election was rigged
That's literally millions of Americans
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ
And this was just a couple of months ago
https://twitter.com/orlandosentinel/status/1339637079245000704?s=19
The Seth Abramson twitter is an interesting read.
I'm not a historian, or a propaganda expert, so it may be entirely correct and if so that is very sinister. And I'm in no way defending Trump or the insurrectionists, but I wonder if he is really that smart (maybe his speech writers and team are though). But it does read a bit like the Billy Shears / barefoot Paul..... where you can interpret stuff however you want if so inclined.
But if Abramson's correct that's the point, clear to those who want to hear the message; deniable if you want it to be.
But if Abramson’s correct that’s the point, clear to those who want to hear the message; deniable if you want it to be.
I'm not sure it is deniable when broken down piece by piece like that.
Whether Trump put meticulous thought and planning into it is another matter.
Even if he didn't, it displays a criminal level of irresponsibility.
People still underestimate Trump. He has shown time and time again that he knows how to give contradictory messages to different groups of his followers, often on the same day, using ambiguous/deniable language and different tones/styles of delivery.
I’m not sure it is deniable when broken down piece by piece like that.
But the white suit Lennon / black suit Ringo / denim George / barefoot Paul can fit a narrative perfectly. IF Paul was dead and the Beatles wanted to give that message secretly that's exactly how to do it......
There’s a significant number of people on this site who really like to jump to the far end of any point of view without stopping to check if what they are saying makes logical sense when the facts are considered in the cold light of day.
We are forgetting the maxim, "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance". This dismissal of the potential seriousness of what occurred last week is partly why we (liberal democracy) is in the mess it is. Complacency got us this far, we all need to be more engaged not just the moneyed classes.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1348109820352634880
Parler in big trouble now. Hosted by Amazon, probably needs to be rebuilt from the ground up even if it finds a new host because of reliance on Amazon code.
There is a debate to be had about how a few tech firms can wipe out free speech, even if you're happy for Parler to get canned, which I am.
There is a debate to be had about how a few tech firms can wipe out free speech, even if you’re happy for Parler to get canned, which I am.
Free speech refers to not being persecuted by the government for your opinions. It's nothing to do with private companies being compelled to help you publish your ideas. This site, for example, has standards of conduct and can ban anyone they want. It's a private business and they are under no obligation to let people post on the forums.
The U.S. Bill of Rights, which guarantees free speech, was written over 200 years before Twitter and Facebook were invented. Clearly you can have free speech without those. You can talk to people, print pamphlets, send email, etc. That's all free speech.
There is no free speech issue in this at all. Parler can set up its own servers etc and exercise their right to shout rubbish
IMO this explains it well
Parler in big trouble now. Hosted by Amazon, probably needs to be rebuilt from the ground up even if it finds a new host because of reliance on Amazon code.
Parler have already said they built the platform to be decoupled from Amazon so won't require a huge rebuild. Whether they can find another provider to host them is another matter though.
I think TJ sums it up there.
The specific point Inkster was stating was that the US had “succumbed” to mob rule, when clearly it hadn’t.
It hasn't succumbed to mob rule but there were people in both chambers who were happy to flirt with the idea - up to the point where they were having to hide from the mob along with all their colleagues. I image there were some interesting conversations at that point. They may not have intended the outcome that the mob would barge their way in to the building but they are certainly seduced that 'the mob' can be king-makers.
There is a debate to be had about how a few tech firms can wipe out free speech, even if you’re happy for Parler to get canned, which I am.
Protection of speech isn't in the remit of private companies.
Donnie has a manned news room, he can broadcast to the US 24/7 if he wanted... he just doesn't want to as he might have to answer difficult questions. As for Parler being some kind bastion of free speech is total bollox anyone left of General Pinochet gets kicked off pronto.
I agree with the right of a company to withdraw its service, and I'd like Parler and half its users fired into space if possible. I think that at some point we need to reflect on how political communication has changed, its dependence on the likes of Twitter, FB, Google, Apple and Amazon, and what that means for the future.
People still underestimate Trump. He has shown time and time again that he knows how to give contradictory messages to different groups of his followers, often on the same day, using ambiguous/deniable language and different tones/styles of delivery.
It maybe that he's clever, perhaps whats more dangerous is that he's ambivalent. It seems his contradictory messaging is just a symptom of not actually caring what the outcome is. His cleverness is just that he's well practiced at not being lost for words even if he has nothing to say. Following his build up to the rally and the speech itself people were hearing what they wanted to from the language his chose. That lead to some people turning up at the capitol with symbols - a gallows, a pitchfork and so on, some arriving actually equipped to take hostages, and some in pant-suits and selfie sticks.
Parler's new server.
There is a debate to be had about how a few tech firms can wipe out free speech, even if you’re happy for Parler to get canned, which I am.
I think the debate that’s not being had is who is ultimately responsible for provision of a platform? What is Twitter or Parler? A forum? Public? Private? A club? Speakers Corner? If they are forums then it has to be established legally whether they are public or private. And as they (internet fora) cross geographic and political borders, to which legal body do they answer? Of course this doesn’t matter to the narrative for millions of internet-users. If they feel aggrieved to lose access to a platform (no matter how it was provided to them, or by whichever conditions/TOS) then they nonetheless feel it is their ‘right’ to have access.
I’d like to think these are simply teething troubles of a culture that is moving from social interaction in the real world to a kind of antisocial interaction in a semi-virtual world. The thing is, in the real physical social world of olden times (in the streets, parks, bars and houses) you’d call someone an idiot/nazi/commie/racial slur to their face and you’d get some pretty immediate feedback from all parties within earshot. And some knock-on feedback in your social life down the line. Not just words on a screen from anonymous people with whom you neither live nor work.
In the ‘virtual’ world the push and feedback looks like a weird dream of millions of semi-people, differentiated and experienced as short bursts of text with a little square profile pic of a tabby cat, a cartoon frog, a Maltese Cross.
So many of the supportive (of Trump) comments I’ve read in youtube after the botched/half-arsed insurrection have been from self-styled objectivists/Randians.
This has been a prominent ‘insider’ trend of internet culture idealogues for 20 years IME. A ragtag collection of libertarians/anti-collectivists/objectivists/confused anarcho whateverists have been with some success attempting to sculpt the internet as their own for two decades or more. For most of the actual public life of the internet. For anyone (like me) who hasn’t jumped down that rabbit hole - you are known as a ‘normie’ and are seen as a sheeplike creature with no brain, beholden in every way to ‘the state’, and your willing dumbitude. The very root of what has become internet culture feels like a sociopath looking for a supply. In ‘pandemic world’ the internet has increasingly become most people’s ‘social’ lives so recruitment of ‘sheep’ is high. Like a game. ‘Prizes’ such as Brexit, Trump, conspiracy, widespread confusion, anti-mask/antivaxx cults, this week’s bizarre ‘insurrection’, destruction of Western social compacts, etc, etc. All was once a game for the players in mom’s basement (including the ones that since moved out yet never grew up) yet now the breach into ‘normie’ world is complete. Now we live in a world where your uncle Fred (who used to like rugby and motorbikes) is instead stuck indoors having a new kind of fun bashing away at his phone in on twitworld, raging against cousin Dave (and millions of strangers/bots/actors whom he never met) about the ‘soyboy feminazi Marxinist Islamist plandemic’. He’s going to take to the streets/Mosque/parliament next Sunday and ‘sort it out’. Freedumb.
I've read that Trump is considering Rudy Giuliani for his defence team against impeachment 😳
This dismissal of the potential seriousness of what occurred last week
I didn't dismiss the seriousness of the situation, or downplay that it was a coup attempt, I was pointing out that a specific claim that America had "succumbed to mob rule" was obviously incorrect, because America is still being run by it's elected government.
The threat is still there, and I'm all for vigilance - especially over here. We are on that same downward spiral.
But overly dramatic language, in my opinion, risks both encouraging the nutters who think they are succeeding more than they are, and making ordinary people dismiss the danger as being overblown hysteria.
That footage of the cop getting crushed in the door looks like a medical siege. It reminded me of a scene in that Luc Besson film 'Joan of Arc'. I bet that's who Ivanka will style herself on in the coming months.
I read an Umberto Eco essay from the late 70's called 'The new middle ages where he foresaw a post cold war and the asymmetric nature of the conflicts that would ensu. In a way it kind of predicted the end of the age of reason and I think this is what we are seeing here.
This activity doesn't belong in a world shaped by the French revolution, (That has shaped politics left and right for 200 years). It comes from a time before, it comes from the dark ages, a time when superstition ruled, a time before the adoption of the scientific method.
Other films / plays that come to mind are 'The Crucible' by Arthur Miller, set in a time just before the enlightenment took hold. And Umberto Eco's 'Name of the Rose' where a pre enlightenment monk applies forensics, science and light to a world of dark superstition.
I’ve read that Trump is considering Rudy Giuliani for his defence team against impeachment
Let's hope so. The Giuliani, Lin Wood, Sidney Powell dream team has served the US public well so far.
Kraken++
Parler Says It Has Removed Lin Wood's Posts Calling For Mike Pence to Be Executed
Sellouts! I'm off to Gab!
That’s quite interesting, the Trumpists are so reactionary they probably already are turning on Parler.
Kamala Harris is an anagram of shark malaria (@Grauniad Everyman xword), makes you think!
There is a debate to be had about how a few tech firms can wipe out free speech
Twitter has been 'a thing' since what 2007 or some such...Are you suggesting that Free speech was only a thing for a little over a decade?
https://mobile.twitter.com/sullydish
EDIT:
didn't embed properly, clip shows a policeman actively opening the barricades and imploring the mob to invade.
@thols2 - I see the irony of Parler censoring it’s user’s fReSpeACh™
It could have been a ‘moment’ for Parler users to have a few rational or even confusing thoughts erupt in their heads?
But wasn’t that only just in before Amazon and Apple withdrew those services and have effectively deleted Parler? That will only inflame Parler users and send them to find deeper rabbit holes and further into ‘dark web’ terrain? Or will they leave social media and be content with shouting at random immigrants in pubs and bars? Oh, the pubs are shut too.
This is beyond ‘ideal’ recruitment ground/fertile spawning waters for terrorists, nihilists, etc. For a growing conspiracists and cults the internet seems a goose which can lay nothing but golden eggs. Every act of suppression or defence is counted as an attack on fReEsPeAcH and/or further validation of (xyz) conspiracy theory/ies. Double-bound double-binds all round. Argh, my tin foil feels so unreal. Or is it real? 🤪
What is worrying is that there are fascist/racist/supremacist iPhone users! 🙂
@klunk Kraken double plus good, if you will.
There is a debate to be had about how a few tech firms can wipe out free speech
There's no debate really. Twitter is a business. It supplies a soap box. It's their soapbox and if they don't like some of the people standing on it they can push them off. You sign up to the Ts & Cs when you join. It's generally more "inclusive" than some of the billionaire owned press and TV businesses.
There’s no debate really
Agreed. It’s just becoming a widely accepted ‘fact’.
#alternativetruth
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1348252477850841089
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1348252483857080321
thols2,
No, it shows a fat cop running up to the barriers and gesturing vigorously towards the mob, saying; GO, GO, GO.
like an army sergeant ushering the troops up Omaha beach sort of thing.
Anyone else see a purge of the Police and Military coming?
I know you pointed out how difficult it is for government to introduce police reform but these are extraordinary times. No doubt Federal over reach would be resisted but with 50% of Republican voters supporting the coup attempt you can't afford to ignore the cancer within.
I imagine there are tens of thousands of police and Military personell bricking it right now / hastily deleting their social media accounts.
They are really claiming you should be able to directly threaten to kill people and organise a coup under 'free speech' - does that extend to Islamic terrorists I wonder?
They literally don't think white christian 'patriots' should have to be constrained in any way at all because they are so obviously right.
Anyone else see a purge of the Police and Military coming?
If they've been posting on social media about doing illegal stuff, sure. But that will only catch the truly stupid ones. The less stupid ones will still be there.
didn’t embed properly, clip shows a policeman actively opening the barricades and imploring the mob to invade.
Timestamp? Was he threatened?
Agreed. It’s just becoming a widely accepted ‘fact’.
#alternativetruth
What's also interesting is this push to remove section 230, when in reality removing the liability protection that provides would make hosting Parler/Twitter/Facebook etc. impractical.
People often see their "rights" in isolation - from other people having that same right and also other people's other rights. So your right to free speech cannot interfere with someone else's right not to be attacked by other people. The exact balance is always the key, but generally the right to not be assaulted or killed comes above the right to say what you want.
every time you think things are calming down they seem to be getting worse. I wonder what Trump is actually up to as you never hear anything any more from him.
Yup. John Mulaney comes to mind. The horse loose in the hospital has gone quiet.
Steven Bumbera (@bumbera_steven) Tweeted: Confirmed that some police were involved in the Capitol attack yesterday #CapitolRiots https://t.co/XawgoRK8T8 https://twitter.com/bumbera_steven/status/1347270969988173825?s=20
Hope this link works, it's worth seeing.
EDIT:
Yes it works, it's absolutely damming, not a case of complicity but active direction so the mob.
As I said earlier, just like a sergeant leading troops up Omaha beach.
Good interview with the Parler chief exec by Kara Swisher on her Sway podcast. Very timely. Interesting that he portrays himself as politically agnostic, refuses to vote, although his platform and investors are predominantly right-wing.
Matt Hancock is also failing to understand how free-speech works according to the latest news.
