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Reported earlier today in the US...
Biden’s lead in Pennsylvania has just moved outside the margins of error. Any recount in PA will have to be paid by the Trump campaign. Per Republican Al Schmidt, the Philadelphia city commissioner
Time for donny to send out more of this begging emails.
Other than trump attempting to move the US towards authoritarianism it's been a political good news day in both UK & US.
that drop box video seems odd to me, media have called states, but no state has so far officially declared a result and wouldn't you say the states name ?
Hmmm, democrats stealing the election you say 🤔
https://twitter.com/kfile/status/1325958130807791616?s=21
There’s an entire world world of upside down belief nuts out there and enough bat shit crazy deluded cultists to try and start the 2nd American civil war, this could get ugly.
somafunk
enough bat shit crazy deluded cultists to try and start the 2nd American civil war, this could get ugly.
Aye but come on, do you really believe there is going to be a 2nd american civil war? 😆
just cause trump and the republicans need to do a bit of extra fundraising to cover their bills? 😆
This is just the campaign for those seats in the georgia runoff.
My point was that the numbers of people needing to be "in on it" would be so large that surely it's just a practical impossibility?
Lawyers gotta get paid!
Genuinely curious as to whether it’s people in tbe Democratic party, or actual voters that would need to be in on it.
I think if you research the appropriate corners of the internet, you'll find that the Democratic Party is actually under the control of a coven of witches who exert mind control over atheists, so their followers don't actually realize they are under the control of satanic forces. Those who have faith are protected and only they can see the truth. Or something like that, the wingnuts are much better at writing that garbage than I am.
how many people would need to be involved in this?
I would estimate around about 77 million.
Didn't Trump at one point tell his supporters to try and vote by mail and in person, basically commit voter fraud which is a felony.
If the recount exposes illegal votes I'll put money on them being mostly republican votes, thus making the GOP an even bigger laughing stock, has the big orange baby not even considered that outcome or is he convinced the retards whooping at everything he says at his rallies are a true reflection of the rest of America.
that drop box video seems odd to me, media have called states, but no state has so far officially declared a result and wouldn’t you say the states name ?
From Reuters. Makes sense when these dropboxes are locked at 8pm election day you won't get round them all to pick them up that night.
FACT CHECK
The drop box was LOCKED at 8pm on Election Day.
“L.A. County officials told Reuters that these ballots were collected on Nov. 4 but were deposited by voters on or before Nov. 3. They are therefore valid and will be processed and counted.”
At this point he should concede, BUT I also think there should be a large scale investigation/audit into this election, addressing possible voter fraud and also how the counting could have been streamlined so the results in election day don't look so wonky. The number of mail-in ballots used in this election has been to my knowledge unprecedented in the US, and dare I say in any other civilised country?
For Example, Michingan sending ballots to everyone that they had in their system(instead of requiring absentee requests) resulted in great election participation, on the other hand it doesn't look great that their databases are several years(if not a decade?) out of date.
Pretty confident they review how an election has gone every time. I think it was Republican lawmakers who prevented pre-canvassing of mail-in ballots, which resulted in the 'wonky' results.
BUT I also think there should be a large scale investigation/audit into this election, addressing possible voter fraud
Been there done that when he whinged last time round when he lost the popular vote. Unsurprisingly there wasnt any evidence of widespread fraud. Whilst some fraud is guaranteed to have occurred (people deciding to vote for a recently dead relative and so on)
For streamlining of counting. The issue there is each state has its own rules. Hence why some were fast and efficient and others not. Several were slow since counting postal ballots in advance wasnt allowed.
I also think there should be a large scale investigation/audit into this election, addressing possible voter fraud and also how the counting could have been streamlined so the results in election day don’t look so wonky.
Every election is monitored for voter fraud. That's standard procedure. Over the last few decades, the rate of deliberate fraud has been utterly insignificant. Not non-existent, but exceedingly rare and not limited to one party or the other.
The Republican Party deliberately handicapped vote counting in some states, Pennsylvania for example, to cause this exact sort of thing. Those early ballots could have been processed before E-Day, which is what happened in other states. No investigation is needed to understand what happened - the Republican Party wanted this to happen and deliberately set out to cause it.
So I assume the only thing stopping the US putting him in a straight jacket and giving him a dose of summit to calm him down and dragging him out the oval office is the amount of deluded gun nuts (that have heads full of conspiracy theories as it is). Obviously better if he goes of his own will but could the straight jacket be an option ?
So I assume the only thing stopping the US putting him in a straight jacket and giving him a dose of summit to calm him down and dragging him out the oval office is the amount of deluded gun nuts (that have heads full of conspiracy theories as it is). Obviously better if he goes of his own will but could the straight jacket be an option ?
The problem is that the core of the Republican Party voters support him and his crazy stuff - he doesn't really make this stuff up himself, he just repeats crazy stuff that's floating around and sticks with the stuff that gets traction. Even though those voters are a minority of the overall electorate, they are a majority of the Republican Party, so anybody who crosses Trump will face a primary challenge before their next election. Most of the Republican politicians know this stuff is batshit crazy, but if they say so, their careers are over. It's alienating moderate voters, hence Biden's huge popular vote margin, but politicians are elected by local vote counts, not national votes, so everyone is incentivized to pander to the crazies.
Biden will be sworn in in January and Trump will leave the White House, I have no doubt about that. This charade is all about him being able to rile up his fans with claims of voter fraud, etc. Trump knows they are baseless, he just doesn't care.
So I assume the only thing stopping the US putting him in a straight jacket and giving him a dose of summit to calm him down and dragging him out the oval office is the amount of deluded gun nuts
No, it's because so far all he's done is whine (which is not a criminal offence) and slander, which might be.
This week's Moral Maze on Democratic Legitimacy is a good listen:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000p79y
it doesn’t look great that their databases are several years(if not a decade?) out of date.
True, and bad data is the source of all those "I got mail-in ballot for my dead aunty/mother/cat" issues that are being publicly shouted about.
What isn't shouted about is that:
1) some of that bad data is the fault of households not filling in electoral registration correctly
2) having a ballot form for someone who is dead or a cat is not fraud. Having multiple ballot forms for the same person is not fraud. Having a mail-in form when you vote in person is not fraud. USING those forms is fraud.
Meanwhile covid cases are spiking and the commander in chief has gone AWOL or on a golfing vacation, either way a gross dereliction of duty.
Most of the Republican politicians know this stuff is batshit crazy, but if they say so, their careers are over.
I don't think that's what's stopping them speaking out. The Republican party thinks politics is a fight to gain power, rather than a system for governing a country. So whatever works is good. And this works.
Trump knows they are baseless, he just doesn’t care.
I'm really not sure - his personality type means he despises "losers". So there is a good chance he simply cannot admit to himself that he lost fairly. It had to have been rigged.
Trump made these statements at his rallies, how can he admit to himself that he lost fairly after making them:
“Running against him, it puts such pressure because I’m running against the worst in the history of presidential — and now if I lose, can you imagine? ... If I lose, I will have lost to the worst candidate, the worst candidate in the history of presidential politics. If I lose, what do I do? I’d rather run against somebody who’s extraordinarily talented, at least, this way I can go and lead my life.”
“Could you imagine if I lose? My whole life, what am I going to do? ... I’m going to say I lost to the worst candidate in the history of politics. I’m not going to feel so good. Maybe I’ll have to leave the country. I don’t know.”
-- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/19/trump-has-losing-brain/
BUT I also think there should be a large scale investigation/audit into this election, addressing possible voter fraud and also how the counting could have been streamlined so the results in election day don’t look so wonky.
That's a great example of how the narrative has been skewed. *Every* election is audited and checked for fraud. The processes, checks and balances are in place and used. What's new is the throwing of doubt on that.
Likewise the 'wonky' results aren't wonky at all, but the order of counting and delay of counting of mail-in and early votes was intentionally delayed by the Republicans in order to make it look like it was wonky. If they hadn't put their oar in and made it difficult the results would have been a lot quicker and more streamlined under the pre-existing processes.
The number of mail-in ballots used in this election has been to my knowledge unprecedented in the US, and dare I say in any other civilised country?
Yes it was, and the reason for that doesn't need investigating, it's because of the pandemic.
But a larger number of one type of ballot doesn't make the counting of them any more suspicious or in need of investigation if the processes and checks and balances are already in place.
Saying, "ah, but it's unprecedented therefore we should audit it" is missing the point that it is already audited and checked as part of normal process, both during and after.
I think the Dems have committed to voter reforms, make it more accessible for all. Republicans won't like that.
Has anyone heard from him since he got back from golfing, apart from his usual twitter rants.
I see Trump retweeted that crazy Jon Voight video 😲
Is he actively trying to provoke civil unrest/war?
Has anyone heard from him since he got back from golfing, apart from his usual twitter rants.
He was at Arlington National Cemetery yesterday. Didn't speak AFAIK.
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I see Trump retweeted that crazy Jon Voight video 😲Is he actively trying to provoke civil unrest/war?
Scorched earth/ doesn't give a crap. One thing this guy definitely doesnt give a sh*t about is his country so I don't think he'd mind in the slightest if things really got bad a long as it doesn't effect him personally.
Ironic really, his base think he loves his country. There is only one entity in the universe he loves and we all know what that is.
So there is a good chance he simply cannot admit to himself that he lost fairly.
Yes - "I'm so awesome it's not possible that I could lose fair and square, someone's cheated because that's what people do".
No, Don, that's what YOU do, not everyone does it.
There is zero evidence of large scale voter fraud and there are good checks and audits in place to catch any.
12 court cases thrown out for lack of evidence. No evidence has been provided. None, Nada. Zilch
Ironic really, his base think he loves his country.
Well, he does, and so do they. Problem is, they love it the way it was in 1955 and they're struggling to adjust to the 1990s.
The Republican party thinks politics is a fight to gain power, rather than a system for governing a country.
Exactly. Most of the Republican politicians know perfectly well that Biden won by a solid margin, but they are politically incentivized to not admit it because their voters would not accept capitulation, they want to see a fight to the bitter end.
I'm sure we can expect a feeding frenzy 'tip of the iceberg' hysteria when inevitably a single dodgy mail in vote turns up
Trump's fund raising drive will be given a shot in the arm at that point
'Sorry cleetus, I know you've been putting some money aside to have that cyst removed from the back of your head but we'll just have to send it to our president - he needs it'
The number of mail-in ballots used in this election has been to my knowledge unprecedented in the US, and dare I say in any other civilised country?
Possibly. But it’s an “unprecedented” situation having such a massive election in the midst of a pandemic. The Democrat party encouraged mail in voting. I think that was the responsible thing to do in this case. The GOP (or Trump or a combination) encouraged in-person voting. Hence red mirage, then blue shift.
I’m willing to bet that were good there a GE here or anywhere else in Europe which had the kind of spread of COVID that America is experiencing right now, there would also be an “unprecedented” amount of postal/proxy voting. What wouldn’t be unprecedented would be right wing parties whinging about possible voter fraud. For such a statistically minute problem in western liberal democracy elections, right wingers do seem obsessed with it. We all know why...
12 court cases thrown out for lack of evidence.
And sadly his cult devotees just see that as proof of the Deep State conspiracy against him.
"Who cares what some libtard court says, here's a photo of a box saying "Votes For Trump" being burned by librul satanists. That's clear undeniable proof" 🙄
Arizona starting to get called for Biden
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1326729456023703552?s=19
Problem is, they love it the way it was in 1955 and they’re struggling to adjust to the 1990s.
Plaid? They’re scared of plaid?
And sadly his cult devotees just see that as proof of the Deep State conspiracy against him.
That seems to also be the method/message being encouraged by so many around Trump. Play to the conspiracies. Even if they don't stick legally (or morally...), his supporters will see smoke.
“Who cares what some libtard court says,
The judges aren't libtards, they're something much worse = RINOs! They were appointed by Republicans, but they're Republicans In Name Only!!!
It's a powerful tactic. You see the same thing used by the anti-vax, 5G, flat earth conspiracies:
If you question them then you are a sheep. If you bring evidence then you are a disinformation agent working for the deep state to silence them. If experts/authorities offer evidence then it is proof they are trying to hide something.
It's very hard to reach someone in that mindset.
Im convinced that Trump really does believe the Dems are cheating. Because if he were in their situation that's exactly what he would do.
Don’t forget Trump started bleating about electoral fraud the moment the polls started turning against him. He has been thinking about doing this for months. The only reason it has any traction at all is because he keeps on saying it. Remember “the bigger the lie the more people believe it.”
Fox News stating 'if the left win the two seats in Georgia in January, bye-bye America. We won't even have a national anthem'.
I thought people were saying Murdoch was pulling away from Trump/the right a bit?
Wow, I thought we had a problem with the media here.