That Donald.win site is something else 😳
It's incredible.
There are people on there who are calling for an all out civil war.
https://twitter.com/GaSecofState/status/1345753643593687040
I had the pleasure of watching the #TrumpTapes saga play out on social media in real time.
It was entertaining watching the mental gymnastics of the Trumpets.
Immediate defence was "it's fake, it's not him".
Once it became obvious it was him, on a call that he tweeted about, they switched to "okay, but it's edited to make him sound bad.. clearly spliced together from different calls, you can tell because.."
Then they went for "okay, it is from the call, but it is out of context. Where's the rest of it?"
Then the full tape got released and it was just as bad so they pivoted to the new narrative of "Trump did nothing wrong. He was giving Raffensperger a chance to come clean" and/or "Trump wanted to catch Raffensperger on tape so he can prosecute him"
Now they've added the "That tape was illegal - Raffensperger is going to jail" diversion on top (even though call-recording is expressly allowed by Georgia law).
It's amazing stuff. I'm struck by how similar it is to talking to flat earthers.
It’s amazing stuff. I’m struck by how similar it is to talking to flat earthers.
Politics is the mind killer.
There are people on there who are calling for an all out civil war.
Yep. Plenty of military-cosplay "patriots" fantasists saying very similar things on Twitter, TikTok etc.*
The Proud Boys are expressing anger and surprise that the police don't seem to be going along with their bull in DC.
* (And if you think that's bad, stay away from Parler!)
I think a lot of people read Trump wrong on this. Its not he is attempting a coup or to subvert the election. As a psychopath he knows he is a winner always and cannot lose - so by his logic the election was rigged. It must have been because he always wins and cannot lose.
Raffensperger on Fox:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1345387225127776256
Transcript: "People can’t handle the truth sometimes, because they’re very disappointed in the results, and I get that. I voted for President Trump also, but at the end of the day we did everything that we could. We did an audit of the race. President Trump still lost. Then we did a full recount. President Trump still lost. Then we audited the absentee ballot signatures on the envelopes in Cobb County and we found only two votes out of 15,000 that we went ahead and surveyed along with GBI – only 2 out of 15,000 that weren’t done correctly. And they were actually the spouses that filled out those applications for their spouses or signed the signatures. And so we had a safe, secure process and people have to realize that you need to get out and vote, and that’s how you win elections."
so by his logic the election was rigged. It must have been because he always wins and cannot lose.
His whole life has been full of failures - failed businesses, failed relationships, his whole presidency is pretty much a list of things he's failed to do - he walks away from each catastrophe able to convince himself that he's making a smart move - you know, convincing himself he's not losing at business but winning at bankruptcy. I don't think emotionally he's ever had to to deal with failing like this - losing a popularity contest- you can't take a positive from that.
I think if he'd lost the 2016 election that would have been a win - a win at almost becoming president. But this is a rejection of him as president
I think if he’d lost the 2016 election that would have been a win
It would have been a rigged election stolen by deep-state actors and RINOs.
It would have been a rigged election stolen by deep-state actors and RINOs.
I think whats especially sore is his loss doesn't carry with it a collapse of the republican vote - across the board, down the ballot paper people voted for replicas, even very trumpy republicans, but not for him. So he can't even blame the republican party
The anger will still be there is 4 years, because the same problems will be. Another Trump will be able to lie his way into power because the establishment is a greedy oligarchy and doesn’t want to solve the wider problems faced.
With the added bonus that the person running for president may be able to achieve objectives far more competently, without a trump style ego.
In other words, Someone far worse than trump. You only need to look at history to see what can ride in over the top of one sh*tstorm is a far larger one.
Biden and the democrats biggest mistake is not to head this off at the pass.
Poopscoop
Full MemberI’m reminding myself here that we are basically witnessing a failed coup by a president of the United States, aided and abetted my a significant part of his own party (and electorate).
I feel like this is getting lost because of how spectacularly it's failing. But even the most embarassing failures are still proof of the attempt. The shittest coup ever but still that's what it is and that's pretty bloody scary.
Biden's going to have far too much to do in this term anyway, covid alone will dominate, the broken transition will make everything harder, and it's way harder to fix things than it was for Trump to smash them. And taxes will be a constant issue, and of course there'll be a total lack of cross-party coopoeration. And those things are all going to stop any real reform, so yes they'll end up at the next election and the one after that and probably the one after that with all the pieces in the same place. Maybe the next person who tries to overthrow an election won't be such a complete halfwit and won't have surrounded themselves with yes-men and wastes of space.
Basically, the people who might take advantage will be learning every possible lesson while the people who should be moving to fix things will be mostly going "shit, that was close but we got away with it, let's move on to another massive problem"
“shit, that was close but we got away with it, let’s move on to another massive problem”
Yes, the most important thing to recognise is that Trump is the symptom, not the cause.
In other words, Someone far worse than trump. You only need to look at history to see what can ride in over the top of one sh*tstorm is a far larger one.
The Tea Party movement has usurped the Republican Party in a similar way to how the ERG has hollowed out the Conservatives. The agendas are driven by far-right "think tanks" that receive large amounts of money from some of the most odious individuals who openly state that they hold democracy in contempt.
Biden and the democrats biggest mistake is not to head this off at the pass.
The Biden administration may have to make some very tough decisions to stem the flow of dark money into American politics, something that will be bitterly fought every step of the way by well funded and highly motivated lobbyists. Ultimately, it'll come down to whether the whims of a small number of fascist billionaires can be contained.
A Gerald Ford type pardon won't be sufficient, the grifters have to be held to account and made an example of.
Yes, the most important thing to recognise is that Trump is the symptom, not the cause.
Exactly this. The reason why we are where we are is because the limits on individual donation were removed in 2008ish thanks to Tea Party lobbying. As a result, one billionaire can dictate policy, while a PAC of small individual donors cannot. A limit on individual donations must be reimposed and enforced, which won't be achievable with a Republican majority, unless a small number of GOP senators can be persuaded to flip.
We can map how specific decisions made and legislation passed by the Republican Party have led us, step by step to where we are today. It is so simple, if you remove the limit on individual political donations then you put democracy up for sale.
Looking back, you can see how Reagan's decision to change broadcasting regulations, allowing opinion to replace fact sowed the seeds of fake news. Similarly the courting of white evangelicals helped create the ethnic nationalism we are seeing today., identity politics or what!
Perhaps the most significant piece of legislation in the current context was the legalizing (or lifting of a ban) on assault weapons during The Bush presidency. The fact that there are millions of assault weapons in open circulation, (mostly in the hands of right wing nutters) definitely has a role in how Trump is playing things out right now. Quite a few elected republicans have suggested that American 'patriots' have no recoirse left to them other than violence, given that the corrupt courts and left wing media have called the election for Biden.
Take away the long guns (or rather had they not been allowed to proliferate due to the Bush legislation) and Trumps mad gambit wouldn't have the traction that it has. The greatest threat to American democracy is definitely domestic terrorism.
Just great to watch those mad claims about Georgia being debunked one-by-one.
The greatest threat to American democracy is definitely domestic terrorism.
It doesn't seem to be getting much coverage that I've seen but I heard on a podcast that the Nashville bombing was done by someone who followed q anon type conspiracy theories .
Really enjoyed that Gabriel Sterling speech. I doubt it will make much impact on the Trumpets, but he covered each main "fraud" talking point and shot it down nicely.
The fact that he and the Secretary of State are both Republican should in theory carry some sway, but that logical contradiction doesn't seem to bother the nuts.
Hopefully Trump steps down on the 19th, then Pence says “Actually Donald, you know what........”
"https://twitter.com/phscoop/status/1346236734435110913?s=20"
I thought people were allowed to burn flags in the US. That arrest smacks of double standards, no matter what your view on it is.
Trump does seem to be descending into madness though. Quite strange to watch him without his swagger.
You can burn a flag you own as a protest... burning a stolen one is another matter.
You can burn a flag you own as a protest… burning a stolen one is another matter
If only it had indicated the theft in the quoted tweet.
I see the word "stolen" in the WP sub on the link preview in the tweet. And "taken" in the words of the tweet itself.
Missed the stolen part, thanks for pointing out my utter thickness. Good lads. Twice the thanks for Kelvin obv for pointing it out twice.
If you'd followed the news, the neo-fascists Proud Boys rampaged through D.C. and stole and burned the flag from a Black church. Then they were stupid enough to boast about doing it to reporters.
Here's the tweet. The words "taken" and "stolen" are important clues in this:
https://twitter.com/phscoop/status/1346236734435110913?s=20&=#8221
But rampaging through DC burning flags is the new norm no. I have no doubt that the stars and bars burned were not looted.
But thanks for updating me just in case I had missed it a 4th time.
I have no doubt that the stars and bars burned were not looted.
One of the secrets to lawlessness is to not publicly boast about what you've done. When a bunch of white supremecists attack Black churches and publicly confess, it makes it really hard for the police to not arrest them.
You can burn a flag you own as a protest… burning a stolen one is another matter.
I haven’t read the article and the WP link is behind a paywall. Is being investigated as a ‘hate crime’? Or as ‘destruction of private property’? Both? What is the focus?
I didn’t wish to assume (learned this the hard way)
Tarrio, the chairman of the male-chauvinist organization with ties to white nationalism, said in an interview with The Washington Post he would plead guilty to destruction of property, pay the church the cost of the banner and surrender to authorities if that criminal charge is filed.
A spokesman for D.C. police said the investigation is continuing and they consider the incident a potential hate crime.
The attention seeking virtue-signaling snowflake has made it clear he committed the crime as regards destruction of the someone else's property... he wants everyone to know about that. He claims it's not a hate crime though. The investigation is proceeding as if it might be.
I'd rather they realised it was the president and just didn't bother putting him through as they realised it would be a waste of time.
I’d rather they realised it was the president and just didn’t bother putting him through as they realised it would be a waste of time.
Zero (Jordan) Fuchs given.
I'd guess it's just a question of the american police mopping up these far right groups with fines and seizures of vehicles and guns etc. now the election is done?
oh.
When a bunch of white supremecists attack Black churches
The guy is not white.
The guy is not white.
On the american christian scale of 'aryan to ****', he's probably just about the acceptable lighter shade of brown. Just about.
it seems n.i.g.g.e.r. is a swear word?
lighter shades of brown are apparently ok for christian Patriots.
Appologies to the mods, I'm not trying to circumvent the profanity filter, , I'm just trying to make a point.
ligher shades of brown are apparently ok.
Unless your name is Mohammed, that's the wrong religious type of tan, plus the beard Enrique sports is less than Taliban...
The guy is not white.
Once the rest of the White supremacists, sorry Neo-fascists, in the Proud Boys work out that he's not, they're going to be pretty cheesed off, don't you think....
The american far right do love thier caviats.
Nicola Sturgeon at today's press conference emphasised that it's illegal to travel into Scotland unless your purpose is "essential". I'm wondering what action Police Scotland will take if Trump tries to leave Prestwick Airport.
Nicola Sturgeon at today’s press conference emphasised that it’s illegal to travel into Scotland unless your purpose is “essential”. I’m wondering what action Police Scotland will take if Trump tries to leave Prestwick Airport.
Surely they could nick him for being a general menace to the human race? They can find a way.
ooph, that's poetic justice... the one thing he craves is accepetance, and it's the one thing he'll never get. Ever. Now he's just an internet meme.
If trump had any humility he might reflect, but I can't see that happening.
White supremacists, sorry Neo-fascists, in the Proud Boys work out
The Proud Boys describe themselves as 'Alt-Light' rather than 'Alt-Right' and claim not to reaaaally be White Supremacists (whilst non the less displaying no shortage of aggression to non-white groups, communities and causes) but have generally been grouped broadly together with other White Supremacist rightwing groups by the authorities because of the threat they pose to those non white groups. They however prefer to describe themselves as 'Western Chauvinists"
Clearly Taririo at the helm they're an equal opportunities employer (so long has you have at least one Y chromosome).
However Trump made the white supremacist link - when asked to condemn White Supremacists thats when he made his 'Proud Boys Stand By and Stand Down' remark. Which the Proud Boys appear to have taken as an endorsement and interpret as an instruction to 'carry on as you were'.
Trump made the white supremacist link – when asked to condemn White Supremacists thats when he made his ‘Proud Boys Stand By and Stand Down’ remark.
40 seconds in; it wasn't Trumpleton who made the link:
40 seconds in; it wasn’t Trumpleton who made the link:
I know - Biden pitched it in there for him to bat.
It will be really funny to see what happens if Trump does try to fly to scotland. I suspect it will be back on the plane or face arrest
It will be really funny to see what happens if Trump does try to fly to scotland.
I've known for a long time now (three and half years I think) that Trumps last day in office would be on my 50th birthday.
The biggest birthday treat was always going to be seeing his face when he has to give it all up - I had no idea I might have a chance to see it up close and personal 🙂
should let him play, round of golf in scotland on the 20th Jan sounds a blast, winter greens, blowing a gale sleet/snow/rain plugged balls... let him play let him play
Good article dantsw13, thanks for sharing
It will be really funny to see what happens if Trump does try to fly to scotland. I suspect it will be back on the plane or face arrest
If he is still the President at the point I don't think anyone is arresting or even stopping him
unfortunately 🙁
Good article dantsw13, thanks for sharing
And let me second that. It's just another reminder that amongst all the shouting of 'commie bastards' and the such like there are still a good number of thinking adults
Maybe a flypast as he's playing golf with the planes trailing mahoosive LOSER! banners.
trailing mahoosive LOSER! banners.
Sneak onto the golf course with some roundup?
If he is still the President at the point I don’t think anyone is arresting or even stopping him
unfortunately
No one is above the law. He may have immunity from arrest but he cannot get off the plane or go to his golf course in breach of the law.
If he is still the President at the point I don’t think anyone is arresting or even stopping him
unfortunately
No one is above the law. He may have immunity from arrest but he cannot get off the plane or go to his golf course in breach of the law.
Who is going to stop him?
Somebody wrote this with a straight face:
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Potus wants lawsuit brought by his niece thrown outDonald Trump is seeking the dismissal of a lawsuit claiming he defrauded his niece out of an inheritance worth tens of millions of dollars, accusing her of embracing “conspiracy theories” in her quest to consume him with lawsuits after he leaves the White House.
Plaintiff makes outlandish and incredulous accusations in her complaint, which is laden with conspiracy theories more befitting a Hollywood screenplay than a pleading in a legal action,” the lawyers, who also represent Robert Trump’s estate, said in a filing yesterday in a New York state court in Manhattan.
This is worth a watch. Demonstrates very clearly just what a lying, thieving bunch of opportunistic hypocrites the GOP are. Tomorrow is going to be interesting..
https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/1346282852565061633?s=20
Who is going to stop him?
The police? they may not be able to arrest him but they can sure as heck block him from going anywhere
The police? they may not be able to arrest him but they can sure as heck block him from going anywhere
It would be quite something for the police to block a sitting president. The next day of course all would be good but it would be quite something to try and block the president.
He may be the president but he is not above the law - UK or US as has been made quite clear.
Presumably he would have immunity from prosecution but not from removal? I don't know
Shame - I was looking forward to a polite scots cop refusing to let him get off the plane
I assumed it would have been Border Force deciding to let him off the plane and then Police Scotland cuffing him as soon as he left the building 🙂
Janey Godley would be happy to see him arrive at the golf course
So Georgia run off...
Dem candidates have a 1.5% advantage in the polls
But are reps still shy trumpers when they're not really cutting for trump?
I’m wasting my time staying up for a few hours.
My gut tells me a Small R victory.
it wont be settled for days anyway - postal ballots to be counted as well.
Early ballots have been “pre processed” this time(signature checked etc) so they can be fed straight into the machines at 7PM.
Ha ha! Just saw this on The Washington Post
Republican lawyer Cleta Mitchell, who advised President Trump during his Saturday phone call with Georgia’s secretary of state in an effort to overturn the election, resigned on Tuesday as a partner in the Washington office of the law firm Foley & Lardner.
Mitchell’s resignation came after the law firm on Monday issued a statement saying it was “concerned by” her role in the call. The firm noted that as a matter of policy, its attorneys do not represent “any parties seeking to contest the results of the election.”
The Washington Post on Sunday published audio and a transcript of the hour-long call in which Trump pressured Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to overturn the election results. During the call, Mitchell complained that she had not been given access to certain information from Raffensperger’s office, and Trump relied on her to an extraordinary degree during the call.
Scary shenanigans in Pennsylvania. There's no chance that Biden won't be sworn in as President. The Republicans know they aren't going to win this election by any legal means, the Supreme Court put paid to that. So therefore the Republican gambit can only be to encourage more demonstrations that will lead to violence.
The civil war analogies aren't really accurate, this isn't one territory versus another, it's America slowly eating itself alive, it's paving the way for a textbook fascist state. The Republican strategy is to make the Country unmanageable for the next 4 years. It was Bush senior who armed the Taliban back in the 80's and Bush Junior who armed the American Taliban during the noughties by legalizing assault rifles.
I'd love to know what the Generals are thinking right now, I suspect they are looking around at each other wondering how many proto fascists they have among their ranks. The future for America might rest in which way the Army leans, not the Senate or the House of Representatives.
They can find a way.
I reckon even the greenest probationer could get a breach out of Trump in just a few minutes. A seasoned weegie cop would have him breaching in a matter of seconds.
I reckon even the greenest probationer could get a breach out of Trump in just a few minutes. A seasoned weegie cop would have him breaching in a matter of seconds.
With Trump, all you need to do is point a TV cameral at him and he'll boast about all the illegal shit he's done.