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However it does also point out that the U.K. US relationship under Trump has been generally unproductive
Apart from the punative tariffs on whisky and knitwear which are really hurting some businesses - Trumpy seeking retribution in the Boeing vs Airbus spat. Ironic given that Brexit+COVID will do more damage - we’ll be lucky if there will be anything left in the UK
Tá brón orm a chairde, Biden cares more about Ireland than the U.K.
Well, he does claim to be Irish
I’m too fatigued by all this, but does this actually make Biden more MAGA than old Irn Bru face when it comes to American Industry?
MAGA has very little to do with economics and much more to do with nationalism, racism and hatred.
Well, he does claim to be Irish
For the guy who was whinging about the thread being low on facts... 😂
Nice one!
Nah, Carrie knows what he’s like. I bet Boris is on a pretty short leash these days.
It's nothing to do with her, Dom owns Boris, she is just window dressing.
MAGA has very little to do with economics and much more to do with nationalism, racism and hatred
Well, it’ll probably be for-Biden now
I was reminded of Oliver Cromwell's speech to the Rump Parliament. I hadn't realised just how resonant it is...
20 April 1653
It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place,
which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice.
Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government.
Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices?
Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance.
Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God's help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do.
I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place.
Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.
In the name of God, go!
Trumps idea of MAGA was provocative selective symbolic sanctions on countries he fell out with. I reckon those will go and for example anti-French wine taxes will be reduced or disappear. What Biden plans is keeping American money onshore, Trump talked the talk while corporate America invested abroad where the easy money was to be made. Biden's idea is to use the carrot and the stick to get corporate America to invest in the US and use Government spending power to reinforce that.
****s knows how he's going to get it through the senate washing machine with a green rinse but that's the plan.
Lindsey Graham is such a snake with no balls what so ever,
^^^ totally this. What a runt.
What are the odds that when Biden gets into the White House he’ll find Trump has done a dirty protest all over the walls in every single room?
Hmmm. I doubt he’ll actually do that, but you never know.
Its an interesting question though, people are always trying to work out Trump, it’s easy to paint him as a clown, a blow hard man child, but you have to accept he did manage to get into one of the most powerful roles in the world.
Those who claim to know him say he doesn’t actually lack IQ, it’s EQ he has a massive deficiency in.
Yesterday, when there was still a mathematical chance he could win all the denial and bluster had a point I suppose, force a recount in Georgia, get the postal votes in Nevada thrown out, and there’s still a sniff of a chance, but when Pennsylvania went it’s over, there’s no coming back from that. The smart move was to concede to ensure the best legacy and set out his principles for 2024 if he wants it, but he just can’t bring himself to admit he’s lost, the Trump faithful still support him, but he’s alienating moderate Republicans because more than anything else, they believe in democracy.
He could spend the next 75 days signing executive orders and pardons, but that would require him to accept his fate, he’s have to go back into the White House and face the the staff, the press and his team as a ‘loser’. I suspect he’ll retreat to Trump Tower or one of his other bolt-holes, tweet nonsense and refuse to be President anymore.
He may never step foot in the WH again to hold any kind of protest.
^^^ totally this. What a runt.
This is what happens when you turn basic decency and integrity into something to be sneered at as a weakness.
Still, let's not get ahead of ourselves. A vile shit of a man has been removed from an office he was patently unfit to hold. Let's just celebrate that.
When we wake up from the celebration, most of us will still be being governed by the alcoholic poundshop version of Trump. But it is a start and it puts Poundshop Trump in a very awkward position, and that has to be a good thing. A hard border on the island of Ireland just became far less likely. Poundshop Trump is now going to get eviscerated by conservative unionist nutters or conservative ERG nutters or both. Seeing the freewheeling shit have the wheels come off his bullshit bus will give me a great deal of pleasure.
Well, slightly slower now given that Trump will get prosecuted and thrown in jail and so won’t be able to pay such a big chunk of taxes to the Chinese any more…..
🤣
In the meantime let's see if Biden can perform his miracle eh ...
Lolz @ The American Post, kimbers.
Trump will resign the presidency shortly, he'll hand over to Pence and he will issue Trump with a presidential pardon in return for a major kickback. Leaves the orange one immune to prosecution.
Presidents Can only grant federal prosecution immunity apparently. Not state prosecutions. So all the tax dodges New York prosecutors zooming in on are still on I think.
. Leaves the orange one immune to prosecution.
By my understanding only for federal crimes not ones prosecuted at state level.
deadlydarcy
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Well, he does claim to be IrishFor the guy who was whinging about the thread being low on facts… 😂
Nice one!
It's not difficult:
president
US president-elect Joe Biden has spoken about his Irish heritage on numerous occasions, coming here on an official visit as vice president in 2016 and even referencing poet Séamus Heaney in his speeches.
The successful Democratic candidate can trace his Irish roots back to both the Blewitts from Co Mayo and the Finnegans from Co Louth.
His great-great grandfather Patrick Blewitt was born in Ballina, Co Mayo, in 1832. Patrick left Ireland in the autumn of 1850 to settle in America. He did return to Ireland the following year though, to bring his parents Edward and Mary and his siblings to America.
The Blewitts settled in Scranton, Pennsylvania and Patrick became a mining inspector, often working in South America.
Getting trump to pay taxes in America would be a miracle indeed
. Leaves the orange one immune to prosecution.
By my understanding only for federal crimes not ones prosecuted at state level.
Ah, it’s going to get interesting eh?! Bring it on!
It’s not difficult:
😀
What’s all that? A c’n’p from wiki? Strong!
I think maybe he made some joking comment to a BBC reporter/interviewer saying “...I’m Irish...” so to to a literal observer like yourself, I suppose that’s going to work.
Talking about his Irish roots is nothing new for a North East democrat. If you’re a Democrat, and you have any Irish roots, you’re going to do that. Even Barry O’Bama made the trip, learned some Gaeilge, had a pint of plain etc. Courting the Irish American vote is nothing new to Democrat politicians and shouldn’t be anything new to you either. Claiming he’s Irish? That’s just bullshit. He hasn’t done that.
So, yeah, not difficult at all, but for you, it seems to be.
Moot point about how Irish he is surely? In that he will need the Irish-American vote so is not going to see the GFA torn up...
Without flipping the senate, could the dems still force through the HR1 policy on democratic reforms?
Moot point about how Irish he is surely? In that he will need the Irish-American vote so is not going to see the GFA torn up
I think that it is a given that dems support the GFA and Boris is in trouble now, it is really just a matter of selling his inevitable backdown as a victory.
You're taking this very seriously, Deadly. 🙂
Fact is when it come to defending the GFA Biden wil take the Irish side. George Mitchell, a democrat, was the man behind the Good Friday Agreement, the Mitchell Priciples were named after him. That's Biden's DNA, quite literally.
cromolyolly
Free MemberNah, Carrie knows what he’s like. I bet Boris is on a pretty short leash these days.
OT obviously but, all of Boris's partners have known what he's like, after all he cheated on his first wife with his second wife and married her 12 days after the first divorce, then cheated on his second wife and had at least one child (and two terminated pregnancies) with other women while married to her, and was still married to her when he first started his relationship with Carrie. It's not like you can still be going "I can change him though"
Moot point about how Irish he is surely? In that he will need the Irish-American vote so is not going to see the GFA torn up…
He’s around 1/16th Irish as far as I can make out, maybe 1/8th. But being Irish is ****ing awesome of course, so they all claim it as their main heritage. I don’t think the “Irish American” vote is as important as it once was - a few of them have even gone a bit Trumpy in recent years. But it’s still sizeable enough. I digress...the GFA is very important in America though, and not just to Irish Americans. They’re very proud of Clinton’s achievements in helping to broker it. They’ll get very uppity if Brexit starts to **** about with it.
You’re taking this very seriously, Deadly.
Trust me Ed, I really am not.
That’s just bullshit. He hasn’t done that
Maybe you should try this new-fangled thing called "google"...you might learn something...cos there's clearly a lot to learn for you
Maybe you should try this new-fangled thing called “google”
That’s a really good counter. Well done. 👏 😂
Anyway, enough of this derailment for now.
Meanwhile, the President is still rage-tweeting. The round of golf didn't calm him down then.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1325195021339987969
Surely for pence to pardon him he will have have to have been tried and found guilty of a crime or crimes and there is not time for the court and legal process to conclude between now and January.
Well unequal free trade deals can be bad for one side, can’t they? And most trade deals with the US are going to be unequal.
In favour of the US usually, surely? The original Nafta sure was, even the bits they had no intention of honouring. The Dems didn't like it though.
Historically Dems were the big tent party, with membership all the way from the socialist (well, as close to it at the US gets) left to the centrists (which would probably be rightish in most places). The left -left support Unions and the like, who usually lose jobs to cheaper labour markets (there are still people in michigan and chicago who would gladly dig up Reagan and chop him to bits for what his original Nafta did)
The centrists had to worry about blue collar supporters and small manufacturers, who did like cheap competition.
Republicans think free markets and competition and capitalism solve all woes, so love open markets.
By my understanding only for federal crimes not ones prosecuted at state level.
Correct.
This us why Letitia James will have her team checking & re-checking the injunctions they have read to go - to ensure they're watertight.
Don't ignore the fact that trump probably doesn't have the money to defend himself against multiple injunctions; maybe his best mate Rudy will act for him pro bono - that would guarantee time inside.
Hee hee!
That’s just bullshit. He hasn’t done that
I said he claims to be Irish. 5 seconds on Google shows that to be true. I don't care if he is or isn't. I don't know what you're arguing about.
It’s not like you can still be going “I can change him though”
Ses that's what I like about the distaff side. The optimism. They voted Trump because it couldn't be that bad, right? They marry men because they have to grow up at some point. They will take up with married men who are cheating on their wives and become their wives - just because he cheated on her with me in no way predicts that he'll cheat on me with her.
It generally doesn't turn out the way it's supposed to.
. I don’t care if he is or isn’t. I don’t know what you’re arguing about.
If you did the answer is all here
https://www.irishfamilyhistorycentre.com/article/vice-president-joe-bidens-irish-family-history
Surely for pence to pardon him he will have have to have been tried and found guilty of a crime or crimes and there is not time for the court and legal process to conclude between now and January.
Nope, sadly.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_pardons_in_the_United_States
A federal pardon can be issued prior to the start of a legal case or inquiry, prior to any indictments being issued, for unspecified offenses, and prior to or after a conviction for a federal crime.
Nixon hadn’t had anything put to him when Ford pardoned him.
Makes you wonder what else he will do, once getting the pardon.
I was reminded of Oliver Cromwell’s speech to the Rump Parliament. I hadn’t realised just how resonant it is…
What wheel size was everyone riding back then?
What will trump do now? go fully batshit and pardon every one of his acolytes that got convictied? try to stitch up as much as he can ;leaving scorched earth behind him? Or ( my guess) will he just go off in a big huff and hide at mar el largo for the next few months?
Torys’ “congratulatory” messages on Twitter are hilarious!
I can't recall a UK election result having quite the emotional impact on me that this has. Odd or what?
What will trump do now? go fully batshit
Jesus you mean there is more? I thought he was there months ago.
pardon every one of his acolytes that got convictied
Hasn't he done them all already?
Or ( my guess) will he just go off in a big huff and hide at mar el largo for the next few months?
I think folk will almost be disappointed if he doesn’t go crazy, but like you, I think he’ll hide out at the country club and sulk-tweet for a few months.
Some kind of new media channel in 2021 wouldn’t surprise me - maybe using some of the Fox “opinion” presenters. Who knows if he has the money though?
I can’t recall a UK election result having quite the emotional impact on me that this has. Odd or what?
I was thinking Thatcher, but she didn't get taken out in an election, depriving many of this kind of celebration.
I remember there was some of this sentiment when she died though.
Yep he'll try & get his apprentice gig back
But more to the point when is he actually going to concede?
All he's doing now is damaging the GOP
What's the precedent for the president refusing to concede he's lost?