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A major part of the Withdrawal agreement negotiation was the EU side defending Irish interests against the British side’s threats to restore the hard border in one way or another.
That is simply not true.
Johnson cabal were trying to blame the EU for imposition of a hard border and its not "irish interests" its EU.
The EU were refusing an agreement that would lead to a hard border hence the backstop. The EU propostion was/is a border of sorrts down St George's channel (the sea)
Johnson cabal were trying to blame the EU
That is correct, fact is Johnson and co; were lying. Barner has always made propostions that comply with the GFA, check out Barnier's background and you'll see why.
Two accusation of lying in two pages with no evideence to suggest I'm wrong or dipute the links I provide to prove I'm right.
Fact is both the EU (through Barnier) and Biden have fiercely defended the GFA whilst Johnson and co. have made propostions that would break it. The evidence is there if you can be bothered to use your browser.
Brexit was obviously going to a problem for the GFA/peace in Ireland as I pointed out very early on in the original Brexit thread.
Biden has already refused a BBC journalist request for an interview, by saying "BBC? I'm Irish."
He is going to be strong on the GFA.
Boris is ****ed.
Biden thinks strategically so is he going to prioritize the UK over the EU? It strikes me the Irish connection, however tenuous, has a lot more impact on US politics and policies than any connection people might have with Britain. The EU happens to be a bit more of a significant trading partner than the UK. People come out with this 'special relationship' stuff when they want a diplomatic photo and a plaudit but there's nothing on the table to celebrate apart from slippery chickens.
Edukator - the point is there are no "sides" in this just an agrement to be kept. Or there are half a dozen positions - the EU, Ireland, Northern ireland, Uk government, US government all wiyth nuance and differnt priorities. Its not a fight between too binary positions
Its far too simplistic an arguement to say "US will take the irish side"
I know it’s the height of foolishness to get involved in a discussion between Tj & Ed… but I think Ed has summarised things well. One side kept the situation on the island of Ireland at the very centre of negotiations… the other side pretended that the border would just look after itself… and Brexit cheerleaders accused the EU of trying to use Ireland to “trap” the UK or NI (depending on which proposals they were disparaging) in the EU.
Britannia is sinking beneath the waves.
All the Brexit loons and Tory apologists need to understand there are no nations we can invade and exploit to recreate our great imperial past that was, by modern standards, built on a series of war crimes.
We need to grow the **** up and get our head around how we will work with the rest of the world rather than expect them to give us what we believe is our right.
We need to grow the **** up and get our head around how we will work with the rest of the world rather than expect them to give us what we believe is our right.
Probably one for the Brexit thread rather than this one but I think we've completely torpedoed any chance of that. Now there's someone sane and rational in the White House, someone who not only knows about the GFA but actually regards it as being sacrosanct and is a lot more international in his outlook, the US will be straight onto the EU extending the hand of friendship and cooperation - a strong EU is a useful buffer against both Russia and China plus somewhere convenient to stick a few airbases and missile defence sites.
The UK will be out on a limb, watching from the sidelines.
As above also trump winning would.have been terrible for us. He'd want to show his base how tough he was and the first country coming for a trade deal would be trumped to death. Given what great negotiators our lot are we'd have ended up.the 51st state for a bag of rice and a doughnut.
US has a long history of seeking to do bilateral deals outside of the international frameworks, and generally ends up with deals that are one-sided in favour of US. This is not a Trumpist thing, it is a USA thing. The same industry interests (farming, entertainment, healthcare, tech etc.) will be lobbying Congress heavily and will still have congresspeeps in their pockets. It would be easy to overestimate the difference a change of administration would make to any deal that ended up getting approved.
And so it ends
AOC talking sense, but as usual the calls from the establishment 'centrists' will get more airtime. They should be on their knees thanking the tens of thousands of grassroots activists who got the vote out.
They should be on their knees
And off we go.
BRINO has had a good US election. Let's hope some form of sanity returns.
All the rainbows in the sky start to even say goodbye
You won't be seeing rainbows any more
Setting suns before they fall, echo to you that's all that's all
But you'll see lonely sunset after all
It's over it's over it's over it's over
Pundits who called Arizona for Biden must be sweating a bit now.
I thought that, but if you look at the breakdown by county, based on population of the county, vote share so far and percentage of votes still to be counted, the remaining votes are pretty even. On that basis Biden will hold on to something like his current lead. He has the lead in the two biggest counties (Maricopa and Pima) and the one with the biggest percentage yet to count (Apache). I used the figures from clicking on the counties on the BBC map.
Teehee
Biden has already refused a BBC journalist request for an interview, by saying “BBC? I’m Irish.”
He did smile as he turned away though. Maybe a bit of a joker?
Biden has already refused a BBC journalist request for an interview, by saying “BBC? I’m Irish.”
That was back in January. And it wasn’t a interview request, it was a question, ‘Any comment for the BBC, Mr Biden?’
Forgive my ignorance, why wouldn’t an Irish person give a comment to the BBC? Google-fu is weak
Forgive my ignorance, why wouldn’t an Irish person give a comment to the BBC?
The first B stands for 'British'
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_rule_in_Ireland
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_War_of_Independence
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
Ah, thought it might have been something more specific, based on the ‘Broadcasting Corporation’ bit
this piece from Time by Alana Abramson
“Networks don’t get to decide elections,” Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, said later at a press event at a landscaping company in Philadelphia, “Courts do.”
That is, of course, not the case. With the notable exception of the 2000 presidential race, which was effectively decided by the Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore, it is voters who decide elections. And that, legal experts say, is the main flaw with Trump’s strategy: Biden has won too many votes for the Trump campaign to mount any legal challenge that would actually change the outcome.
For an election to be successfully litigated, experts say, the margins between the candidates have to be exceedingly close. The dispute between George W. Bush and Al Gore two decades ago, for example, hinged on just 537 votes in Florida. Election litigation is only consequential, says Nathaniel Persily, a professor at Stanford Law School, “if the number of contested ballots exceeds the margin of victory.”
As of November 7, Biden is leading Trump by over 4 million votes. The state-by-state count that determines the electoral college count is even more daunting for the President. Biden leads Trump by 41,233 votes in Pennsylvania, 27,530 in Nevada, 18,713 in Arizona and 10,195 in Georgia. Trump needed victories in nearly all of these states
tweet your guess of how the democrats cheated 😀
https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1325410570703679489
ffs that's going to look good in court.
No tweets from Trump for 15 hours now - is that a record? How big a sulk will he have?
No tweets from Trump for 15 hours now – is that a record? How big a sulk will he have?
Hopefully he will have been reflecting and realise that the ball is burst. Surely all the career politicians (republicans) will have seen the writing on the wall and be abandoning team Trump so they can still be taken seriously for 2024.
On a related note, has 'Q' posted yet? When is the secret master plan going to come into effect.
The Democrats cheated by following the rules passed by Republicans.
From what I have read the claim that Republican observers should be present has already been thrown out because there were already some there!
Hopefully he will have been reflecting and realise that the ball is burst.
If by that, you mean accept (privately) that he's lost... I suspect that's already happened... we're on planB already... years of "democracy was subverted by the so called democrats... don't let this happen again"... with the intention of far worse voter suppression being implemented if the Democrats lose in 2024 (and the midterms) then has occurred for decades... even worse than this time.
From what I have read the claim that Republican observers should be present has already been thrown out because there were already some there!
I linked to part of the exchange between Trump's lawyers and the judge a few pages back, the judge is utterly exasperated/withering towards Trump's lawyers' arguments.
Alexander Lukashenko
"a travesty of democracy"
😀
Puerto Rico coming to Trump's aid just as he did for them.
https://twitter.com/schmidtsam7/status/1325148092228804614
The judge is utterly exasperated/withering towards Trump’s lawyers’ arguments.
They'll have to be careful of being labelled a "vexatious litigant", unfortunately none of the States who've enacted such a law are having their counts contested. At the moment, and I suspect it will be proven, it's just mud slinging.
Any form of electoral fraud in the USA is mind numbingly rare, talking tens of thousandths of a percent, MIT estimate 0.00006% over the last twenty years. Take that and the number of votes cast, about 150m and you get 9000 irregular votes across the whole nation.
One form of fraud is impersonation but ...
The vast majority of voter ID laws in the United States target only voter impersonation, of which there are only 31 documented cases in the United States from the 2000–2014 period.
ffs that’s going to look good in court.
I doubt it's going to get as far as an actual court room.
No tweets from Trump for 15 hours now – is that a record? How big a sulk will he have?
If his team have any sense they'll have drugged him up and confiscated his phone before he tweets something that will actually end up as contempt of court or anti-democratic or yet more stuff that's censored/blocked by Twitter for being factually incorrect.
He's only digging himself a hole by tweeting, it's probably damage limitation by those close to him.
who the **** is he talking about ?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1325442336957018112
a hundred million mail ballots! 😀
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1325432472985808897
who the **** is he talking about ?
Farage?
A quick search showed that the three states with the largest number of mail-in ballots were: California and Florida. Who won the last one?
There is still more chance of Biden speaking to the BBC than the lying, cheating coward that is Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson (man of the people).
A hundred million mail-in ballots in Philadelphia? What?
A hundred million mail-in ballots in Philadelphia? What?
Well to be fair he did say cities LIKE Philadelphia. So multiple cities. He's still clutching at straws though.
the whole poll should have been mail in, another 125000+ cases today
From his niece, Mary. The one who wrote the very unflattering book about him that he tried (and failed) to have blocked.
I’ve always struggled to work out how voting was spread across the US, this really makes it clear where the hotspots are, and where it’s effectively a voting desert.
https://nypost.com/2020/11/07/this-map-shows-what-the-us-presidential-vote-really-looks-like/