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[Closed] Tree / Gardening experts: What tree is this?

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Detailed photo below and a couple of others [url= http://my.opera.com:80/Farticus/albums/show.dml?id=7188802 ]here.[/url] It looks pretty old, and before it decides to die (it doesn't look in rude health) I want to get cuttings ... or something that you do with trees.

In winter it has very large red berries, and Spring sees it flower. Flower looks similar to hawthorn but leaves are a very different shape.

No idea how old it is, and it might be what is usually a bush that's just got out of hand in the past.

Any ideas? Beyond oak, sycamore, ash and conker tree I'm out of my depth so all help appreciated.

Cheers

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Posted : 13/05/2011 12:42 pm
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Some kind of soneyhuckle?


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 12:50 pm
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Don't know where you've been to see a honeysuckle like that!

Flowers have no scent, and this is a tree - almost no thorns but just the odd one on some smaller branches. Makes me think it might be related to a hawthorn, but "Tree" is as accurate as I can get at the mo.


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 12:54 pm
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Oh sorry...not reading the OP Fail. I thought it was a shrub 😳


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 12:55 pm
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Looks a bit like flowering cherry


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 12:55 pm
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Almond?


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 1:00 pm
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Crabapple? Hard to tell what the berries are like, but the leaves and blossom look about right...


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 1:01 pm
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i'd go with some kind of cherry tree.


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 1:02 pm
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I did think about crabapple but the absence of crabapples threw me. Are they ever absent? The berries are big but definitely not crabapples - plus they come in January.

Will look at almond & cherry to see if anything matches.


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 1:16 pm
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It's not a crab apple, I've 2 of those in my garden and they look nowt like that. I think it's a cherry of some kind as mentioned earlier


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 1:25 pm
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Do you get an orange stain rubbing on the bark?


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 1:28 pm
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Nope, it's a hawthorn - Crataegus monogyna

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crataegus_monogyna


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 1:29 pm
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Hawthorn - leaves are completely the wrong shape but the rest of it fits.


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 1:36 pm
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Well the flowers look very similar to a morello cherry tree that I have in my garden. Not sure about the leaves though.


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 1:38 pm
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Pear blossom ?

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Posted : 13/05/2011 1:39 pm
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The Larch!


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 1:43 pm
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The blossom looks right but there's no fruit.


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 1:45 pm
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The leaves vary between type, but it's definitely hawthorn.


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 1:49 pm
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From the flowers and general shape it looks like apple family [pomoideae], which includes hawthorn, pear and a load of other related things. With a berry like fruit its probably an ornamental crab apple, possibly a thorn, although most of them have spines. Some crab apples have the occasional hawthorn like leaf just to add to the confusion.


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 8:00 pm
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I thought it was a pear at first, but its definitely an ornamental/flowering crabapple. The [url= ]berries[/url] sometimes look like small cherries and depending on what they're crossed with, could look like anything vaguely fruity as it were.


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 9:09 pm
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ispot is good for this type of thing


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 9:11 pm
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Lol @ lonzadog.....

You are showing your age mate...... mind you so am I!!!!!


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 9:12 pm
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Its identical to one we have in our local park. When asked the ranger said Hawthorn.


 
Posted : 13/05/2011 10:23 pm
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So, crabapple- or hawthorn-related it is, so it seems. Just need to get a precise ID now. Thanks all.


 
Posted : 14/05/2011 3:53 pm
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It may be the Midland Hawthorn, Crataegus laevigata. That's my best guess.

My Monster Fun Book of Garden Plants says there's 200 or more species of Crataegus, Good luck with google. Is there any clue in the location, is it a garden plant or left over from whatever was there previously?

They can go on and on, despite losing chunks. And they're surprising close to apples, when you see some of the wild species. Like SB said.


 
Posted : 14/05/2011 6:48 pm
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Eyepic, glad someone got it but I'm only 36!


 
Posted : 14/05/2011 7:13 pm
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The blossom looks right but there's no fruit.

Ah, there's no fruit that [i]you've[/i] had a chance to see: try asking the feathered visitors to your garden if it bears fruit. I would wager that they got there first. 😉


 
Posted : 14/05/2011 7:19 pm
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The tree's outside the bedroom window and at the edge of the car park - hard not to spot the fruit when we see it many times a day!

I haven't seen a hawthorn with leaves the shape shown in the picture although that doesn't rule it out. It has had some thorns but very few, and only a handful on the trunk (nowhere else).


 
Posted : 14/05/2011 7:43 pm
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id say its a hawthorn, leaves differ a lot

in some ways similar to crab apple

where is it = nursery grown, planted in the wild

the japanese hawthorn crateagus cuneata leaves are more like that and not like the common hawthorn, but you are unlikely to find one down the woods


 
Posted : 14/05/2011 8:16 pm
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If I'm right it's a different species to the common hawthorn, a bigger tree and with more oval leaves. The common hawthorn is Crataegus monogyna,yours is C. laevigata (used to be C oxycantha). You wouldn't miss the fruit, orangy-red and 0.6 to 1.5 cm long.

It should take easily from cuttings.


 
Posted : 14/05/2011 8:21 pm
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Oops, the common hawthorn is the bigger tree.


 
Posted : 14/05/2011 9:01 pm
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It's in my garden. I'll check out your suggestions slowoldgit & compare. Cheers.


 
Posted : 14/05/2011 11:07 pm