When I mentioned BBC I was thinking more of the TV channels.
What they should do is invent some way of accessing their content without being stuck with the TV schedules.
Its not doing anyone else any harm
It is though. It's this sort of shit that holds this country back from being a modern state where the govt actually has to do something more than keep the rich and powerful in their positions. You want modern infrastructure, fair energy prices and functioning public services? It's not going to happen until a significant number of people in this country can let go of their deferential fantasies that they don't deserve these things, and that deference and lack of confidence comes from all this.
When I mentioned BBC I was thinking more of the TV channels.
What they should do is invent some way of accessing their content without being stuck with the TV schedules.
True, but not helpful when I want to watch Pointless while preparing katsu chicken for tea.
Its not doing anyone else any harm
It is though.
No it isn't. If people choose to tearfully pay their respects to an elderly woman who has died then it is not doing anyone else any harm.
The UK has had a modern infrastructure, fair energy prices, and functioning public services, which you mention, during the reign of QE2. If we don't now it's pushing it blaming it on Mrs Windsor. Those issues can easily be resolved under a constitutional monarchy.
Certainly IMO we need a more democratic society and at some point the monarchy will be wound up, but the idea that nothing can be achieved until then is nonsense. There is plenty that can still be achieved, including the replacement of the House of Lords with a democratic chamber, a development which in itself will strengthen the case for the abolition of the monarchy.
Sadly however none of the major parties support this, including the Labour Party.
What did the Queen actually stand for? I mean we've now got King Charlie who is a supporter of environmental concerns, for instance. But despite the Queen having been Queen for a very long time I can't for the life of me think of anything she supported except dogs with short legs, horses, and an ability to smile and wave for very long periods of time.
True, but not helpful when I want to watch Pointless while preparing katsu chicken for tea.
*prays for Idlejohn*
True, but not helpful when I want to watch Pointless while preparing katsu chicken for tea.
*prays for Idlejohn*
I am grateful for your thoughts and prayers and relieved that it was probably only a repeat that I missed. Which tends to be better because I know the answers. The katsu chicken was maybe the better for it as I wasn't distracted by the TV asking me to name US capital states with no vowels in.. 😀
But despite the Queen having been Queen for a very long time I can’t for the life of me think of anything she supported except dogs with short legs, horses, and an ability to smile and wave for very long periods of time.
I think that's actually the clever thing she did. By not saying anything she remained a blank sheet of paper that Enid, Brenda, George, Colin and all the rest of the people presently in tears on BBC1 mid-afternoon can project on to her whatever they thought the monarchy should be
Gaaawd bless 'er!
It’s not going to happen until a significant number of people in this country can let go of their deferential fantasies that they don’t deserve these things, and that deference and lack of confidence comes from all this.
Mate... we know you want a revolution but it seems like the majority of people don't. In fact, a lot of them seem quite happy to drink Earl Grey out of the Lady Dianna - Princess of Hearts china cup while having a little cry over the Daily Mails 24 page 'Isn't Royalty Simply Marvellous?' supplement
I don't understand it either, but there you go...
"Certainly IMO we need a more democratic society and at some point the monarchy will be wound up"
Or wound down?
Fortunately the Queen news is colour coded black or purple.
Certainly IMO we need a more democratic society and at some point the monarchy will be wound up
We do.
But if you think the Royal Family are the problem and removing them is the solution, I fear you've been Squirrel!-ed once too often.
we know you want a revolution but it seems like the majority of people don’t. In fact, a lot of them seem quite happy to drink Earl Grey out of the Lady Dianna – Princess of Hearts china cup while having a little cry over the Daily Mails 24 page ‘Isn’t Royalty Simply Marvellous?’ supplement
That's the impression that's given in the media but that's thanks to stringent filtering.
The support depends massively on age with those over 50 generally supportive and those under - not.
Should Britain have a monarch?
As a mark of respect to Her late Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, British Cycling’s guidance is that no formal domestic activities should take place on the day of the State Funeral, Monday 19 September. This includes cycle sport events, club rides, coaching sessions and community programmes (such as Breeze rides).
British Cycling strongly recommends that anybody out riding their bike on the day of the State Funeral does so outside of the timings of the funeral service and associated processions, which will be confirmed later this week. Once published, we will share the details of those timings on this page.
I'm sure you've all seen the other thread, but it seems relevant to this one as well.
I think it's a case of being careful what you wish for.
Where would all that energy that so many invest in the idea of monarchy go if we got rid of them? Do we think those people would suddenly become republican, or do we think they would look towards some other form of strong leader?
We know there'd be a queue of potential suitors forming and they would be real lizards, not imaginary ones.
Call the monarchy a fascist idea if you wish but all societies have fascist tendencies and perhaps the monarchy absorbs some of that energy and parks it in a more benign place, one where we are not sure what it actually stands for. Let loose, who knows to what cause those feelings would be hitched?
Well we all know really don't we...
if you think the Royal Family are the problem and removing them is the solution, I fear you’ve been Squirrel!-ed once too often
I think there might have been a clue in the bit of my post which you didn't quote
........it’s pushing it blaming it on Mrs Windsor. Those issues can easily be resolved under a constitutional monarchy.
IMO the monarchy has no part to play in an advanced democracy, it is an irrelevance.
I understand kwarteng is considering a windfall tax on florists.
Was amused by statement from Fuller's brewery in which they said their pubs would be open on Monday to '...allow people to come together and pay their respects'.
Translation...what an opportunity to clean up - and on a Monday! An extended week-end piss-up with a very thin veneer of respect and condolences - woo hoo!!
Doubles all round for the PR team!
Call the monarchy a fascist idea if you wish but all societies have fascist tendencies and perhaps the monarchy absorbs some of that energy and parks it in a more benign place, one where we are not sure what it actually stands for. Let loose, who knows to what cause those feelings would be hitched?
Well we all know really don’t we…
Hmm. As people are placed into police vans for criticising the monarchy.
Let us rejoice in our nice benign form of British fascism.
Call the monarchy a fascist idea if you wish but all societies have fascist tendencies and perhaps the monarchy absorbs some of that energy and parks it in a more benign place, one where we are not sure what it actually stands for. Let loose, who knows to what cause those feelings would be hitched?
Are there any other countries in the world that have ever experimented at being a republic? I expect they must all have come crumbling down to shadows of their former selves and begged their rightful leaders to come back and put the proles in their places.
As a mark of respect to Her late Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, British Cycling’s guidance is that no formal domestic activities should take place on the day of the State Funeral, Monday 19 September. This includes cycle sport events, club rides, coaching sessions and community programmes (such as Breeze rides).
British Cycling strongly recommends that anybody out riding their bike on the day of the State Funeral does so outside of the timings of the funeral service and associated processions, which will be confirmed later this week. Once published, we will share the details of those timings on this page.
That is absolutely mental. I mean WTAF.
Don't have a problem with their "official" stuff, they have made a decision as a governing body.
But that guidance on individuals is an absolute joke. WTF has it do with them?
That is absolutely mental. I mean WTAF.
They've now changed their statement:
The date and time of the State Funeral will be confirmed in due course. British Cycling will provide further information on the implications for events and activities due to take place on this day once those details have been published
Are there any other countries in the world that have ever experimented at being a republic?
I saw a documentary where a bunch of people in space tried to form a galactic republic. It went to shit quite quickly. A band of space wizards got killed and a mean old man with lightening hands and a skin condition took charge.
If people who live in space can’t do it we’ve got no chance.
They’ve now changed their statement:
Hope they have had a massive backlash.
I can't believe that someone thought that was suitable. "Yes, we need to keep the plebs in front of a TV in darkened room."
That is absolutely mental. I mean WTAF.
It's what Her Majesty would have wanted.
I will use the day as an opportunity for solemn reflection.
It’s what Her Majesty would have wanted.
I will use the day as an opportunity for solemn reflection.
Whilst riding your bike in the woods?
I saw a documentary where a bunch of people in space tried to form a galactic republic. It went to shit quite quickly. A band of space wizards got killed and a mean old man with lightening hands and a skin condition took charge.
If people who live in space can’t do it we’ve got no chance.
They got leathered by little bears didn't they?
Now it makes sense why the Late QE2 was hanging out with Paddington; planning the insurgency. I knew that furry little hat & duffle coat wearing bastard was dodgy.
This seems to be getting reported a lot, can anyone confirm it?
They got leathered by little bears didn’t they?
Now it makes sense why the Late QE2 was hanging out with Paddington
No it isn’t.
Yes it is. 😄
Seriously though, despite what may have happened in the past, and I'd argue you're only partly right because we've never had properly modern infrastructure (we can't even put coach stations next to train stations!) in this country, currently we have a major problem in the UK in that working people completely fail to see what is in their own interests, let alone vote for them, and a major part of that is the deference and myth making generated by the monarchy and the wider class system it supports.
we have a major problem in the UK in that working people completely fail to see what is in their own interests, let alone vote for them, and a major part of that is the deference and myth making generated by the monarchy and the wider class system it supports
That. A low level background harm of lost opportunity and resistance to improvement. Pervasive and poisonous. The Firm in its current form is not part of the solution. It could be. But isn't.
However you feel about proceedings, at least we call all rejoice that in these times of economic hardship, the treasury will be receiving a tidy windfall in the shape of some hefty inheritance tax.
Oh, hang on......
Madness 😠
I'll be riding my bike in another country, thank ****.
"The Firm in its current form is not part of the solution. It could be. But isn’t."
The monarchy have survived this long owing to their ability to shape shift, even if it appears that they are doing so a generation or so later than the country at large. In a sense they are constantly playing catch-up.
Though I'd be interested to hear in what way you think the monarchy 'could be' part of the solution, what kind of reform do you have in mind?
Personally I think it'd be better to make changes to the House of Lords first, a place where hereditary privilege has perhaps a more pervasive effect on our democracy than the actual monarchy.
Really, do people actually give a ****? I can't get my head around watching grown men cry about it. So glad to be going back to Spain on Sunday - this island has totally lost its mind.
how's it go again ? oh yeah it's only one day... ****ing cretins
Modern infrastructure 30 years behind the rest of Europe ime
what kind of reform do you have in mind?
Less of them. Less money. Less hangers on.
An actual job promoting things that help society. I'm actually somewhat hopeful Charles will continue to promote fighting climate change as an agenda. A bit nebulous but you get the idea.
House of Lords. Hmm. Different topic. But yes they have a whole lot of privilege and a fair dose of influence. A defined period of serving in the lords perhaps might be a good start. Voting for them? Who knows.
How long until Royal Doulton launch the commemorative Lizzie plates?
Is it protocol to wait until Tuesday?
It’s this sort of shit that holds this country back from being a modern state where the govt actually has to do something more than keep the rich and powerful in their positions.
I think it would take more than removing the monarchy to alter the trajectory of the Tory party.
The might of the British state..
https://twitter.com/ofalafel/status/1569406997493125122?s=46&t=hZYZyHFCqQAwkkRE6I206g
Centre parks have said they are closing for the funeral - not just for a few hours but apparently for 24hours. People are being booted out of their accommodation as a mark of respect for the Queen.
They clearly have no respect for their customers... madness.
Seriously though........
we can’t even put coach stations next to train stations!
I hadn't thought of that!
Jeezus that Mrs Windsor really did have a lot to answer for. I might well tear up my Cycling UK membership card and cycle into London on Monday just to boo. Whilst possibly holding a placard extolling the virtues of coach stations next to train stations.
Although awkwardly in London Victoria coach station is cheek by jowl with Victoria train station.
Are there any other countries in the world that have ever experimented at being a republic? I expect they must all have come crumbling down to shadows of their former selves and begged their rightful leaders to come back and put the proles in their places.
England, the Netherlands.. any more?
Although awkwardly in London Victoria coach station is cheek by jowl with Victoria train station.
Of course it is. London is the only city in the UK with an integrated public transport system. Wonder why that is?
Now now ernie. You wouldn't want to be labelled as an enemy of the state would you? I bet you dont even have a hat to doff
