To his credit Charles does seem to have a sense of morality and a firm set of beliefs which are not entirely based on self interest, even if you don’t agree with all of them.
Really? 😂😂😱
I agree with Tj re the Queen.
Whilst this is perhaps not the time or place, to voice negative opinions about the Queen and the rest of the monarchy, it is difficult to let some of the assertions slide.
For all those that are grumbling about how this is just wall to wall tv and radio coverage, you do realise that you don’t have to watch any of it right?
Well I can't even listen to a general news broadcast. There is more going on in the World than the death of a 96 year old woman but I have to listen to 55 minutes of anecdotes for 5 minutes of news.
Is everything going to stop for the next 2 weeks? Apparently the funeral is in 10 days time and there will be another 7 days of official mourning after that! Does that mean no happy music, no football etc until then?
Why do we need a head of state? Even if we do it does not have to be an elected politician
Our current PM is not elected. Not by the public anyway. Would you have preferred Boris's noggin' on the currency. the way we go through prime ministers we couldn't have any leaders on our currency.
At least a head of state through blood/tradition gives the UK some sort of stability and separation from the asylum that is global politics.
Does that mean... no football etc until then?
We can only hope.
Other stuff in trumps visit you might not have known was her choice of broaches. Over three days she chose a simple flower for day one when she would normally wear something in some way related to the visitors nation. On day two she wore one that was a gifting from Canada, which would have driven Trump mad if he was clever enough to realise and on day 3 she wore a broach that had only been worn in mourning periods before.
Top marks. One of the maddest things I've read so far.
Is everything going to stop for the next 2 weeks? Apparently the funeral is in 10 days time and there will be another 7 days of official mourning after that! Does that mean no happy music, no football etc until then?
Well yeah I agree that cancelling everything for 2 weeks is ridiculous. But will that happen? I assume no footy at weekend but after that?
That said, Cant believe they binned the last 3 days of the tour of Britain when surely a minutes silence at the start today would suffice.
I have a mental image of, you know the scene in Superman III where Evil Superman straightens the Leaning Tower of Piza, the tourist tat-seller bloke has all his models remade and then Good Superman tilts it back over again? That, only with William on the throne and a bloke in the Royal Mint looking at a huge pile of King Charles pound coins.
They'll be worth a fortune on the collector's markets. I'm still holding on to a few bags of the 20p's that have no date on them!
Cant believe they binned the last 3 days of the tour of Britain when surely a minutes silence at the start today would suffice.
I think the problem there is the massive redeployment of police which is going to be happening.
Going to need a shedload in London to secure it with all the dignitaries coming in let alone just handling the crowds.
More moral backbone and dignity than all of the conniving sh*ts currently running the country
That's not really comparing like with like though. She never had to do anything other than smile, be nice and read from scripts. People who have to run the country have to make hard choices whilst trying to get as many people as they can to like them which is actually pretty difficult and upsetting people is inevitable. Not to mention the system that requires them to be ruthless to get to that position in the first place.
You might as well praise her for never getting a yellow card in a football match.
Apparently the funeral is in 10 days time and there will be another 7 days of official mourning after that!
Not exactly, 7 days of Royal mourning. It's different - royals will undertake reduced / appropriate duties in this time but would wear sombre clothing and mourning bands, for example. Troops on ceremonial duties have different procedures. I don't think for a moment anyone expects the nation to stop everything.
FWIW, if that's right and HRH C3 has indicated 7 days - 'normal' would be a month, and the Queen reduced that to 2 weeks for Phil. So that would indicate an understanding of needing to move on.
As I recall, the people who run the country were attending party's and sha~~ing their PA's, whilst the monarchy were quietly going about mourning the loss of Phillip.
i think in some ways i’d prefer an “independent” Monarch to a President.. i mean i know there are some good ones out there (Macron, etc) however there is/was also Trump, Bolsonaro, Putin, etc.
To be pedantic, comparators would be the likes of Michael D Higgins, the pres of Ireland, an elected head of state in a system similar to our's (where the head of state holds little political power). Views on monarchy need to be accompanied by views on the role of the head of state and more generally the system of government within which they operate.
It's Ireland I'd look to for a new model.
A head of state more in the role of that currently being performed by Higgins rather than Macron.
Both have been paying good tributes by the way... eg...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/macron-queen-death-tribute-france-b2163588.html
The us does not have a head of state separate from the political leader. I dont think canada does either
So i ask again why do we need a head of state at all?
Im glad we have plenty of programmes and Apple Music to tide us over. Like others have said I dont get it. She was an old lady that very few, if any of us on here, ever knew.
With the TV and radio going full Daily Mail with dull music an hours of dreary talking heads saying how wonderful she was whilst glossing over here friendship with the Bin Laden family for instance is getting old already
One upside if parliament is getting 10 days off to mourn I suppose that means its harder for Liz to do anything really silly
To be pedantic, comparators would be the likes of Michael D Higgins
Yup. The last three Presidents, Michael D, Mary McAleese and Mary Robinson have all been excellent presidents. Where they can stick their craw in is pretty tightly controlled (constitutions eh?) but they’ve all done really good jobs (IMO). And who can’t raise a smile when Michael D does the handshake with the rugby teams at the Aviva. 😂
So i ask again why do we need a head of state at all?
We don't.
However, we do have one, fact. Might as well accept it, not going to change any time soon. It's part of the national identity. You may as well be railing against the fact we're an island and also therefore have a seafaring heritage.
"We're" not an island. Sorry. I'll get my coat.
The us does not have a head of state separate from the political leader.
Yes and this is a problem, IMO. Because when the President does the representation thing it is politically tainted. When Trump made a speech after national disasters or shootings etc it was always appallingly badly done and politically loaded. You need someone to speak to and for the nation at times like that, not just half of it whilst infuriating the other half. Politicians can't really do that function well.
Again, I'm not saying it has to be a monarch, just someone who's not a politician.
I feel strangely upset by the queen's passing whereas if half the posters on here croaked it I wouldn't even raise an eyebrow.
We should just do it by a telephone poll presented by Ant and Dec, Katie Price for HOS!
We don’t.
However, we do have one, fact. Might as well accept it, not going to change any time soon.
It wouldn't even change if we went independent, not automatically anyway.
If certain posters on here croaked, I'd dance a bloody jig.
Again, I’m not saying it has to be a monarch, just someone who’s not a politician.
A person chosen at random from the voting public, would be my choice. Given a house, much like a typical manse and the Uk median wage (or possibly an MP’s salary). Change every 5 or so years.
A person chosen at random from the voting public, would be my choice. Given a house, much like a typical manse and the Uk median wage (or possibly an MP’s salary). Change every 5 or so years.
Sounds good, like the guy who was president of Uruguay for a while.
If certain posters on here croaked, I’d dance a bloody jig.
Classy.
Charles does seem to have a sense of morality and a firm set of beliefs which are not entirely based on self interest,
Yeah right. Nutjob Climate Change Charlie/WEF puppet. Our future looks rosy.
So i ask again why do we need a head of state at all?
We don’t.
However, we do have one, fact. Might as well accept it, not going to change any time soon.
It's much the same as, we don't need a nation north of Hadrian's Wall whose sole purpose in life seems to be to complain about the English. But we have one so we might as well get used to it.
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Nutjob Climate Change Charlie/WEF puppet.
Have a cup of tea and a biscuit. Stop reading those bits of the internet for a while. You'll feel better for it.
You need someone to speak to and for the nation at times like that, not just half of it whilst infuriating the other half.
Agreed. Head of state who is not also the head of government has many benefits. Not inclined to concentrate too long on any of that today though, myself. Another time...
How soon after do they have the coronation?
It’ll be ages after. It was about a year IIRC between the Queens ascension and coronation.
Agreed they don't wanna hath the funeral meats cold serving the coronation table
Just as well STW isn't shut down for mourning, certain posters would probably implode due to not being able to get their views out to the internet at large.
This actually made me laugh.
Have a cup of tea and a biscuit. Stop reading those bits of the internet for a while. You’ll feel better for it.
and could be applied to quite a few people on here getting themselves all frothed up over something they have no control over.
I dont think canada does either
I think you will find their Head of State died yesterday, you really do have the confidence of idiocy.
The us does not have a head of state separate from the political leader. I dont think canada does either
Erm, you do realise who is head of state for Canada?
I think you will find their Head of State died yesterday, you really do have the confidence of idiocy.
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Made me laugh out loud as well, I must admit. Harsh, but a great use of words.
Overall, too much negativity in this thread for me though. The comments about other forum members dying are very disappointing. No need to sink so low.
How soon after do they have the coronation?
It’ll be ages after. It was about a year IIRC between the Queens ascension and coronation.
My guess is late spring/early summer next year.
There will be an additional bank holiday for it - and i think everyone will agree the 4 day bank holiday for the Jubilee this year was ace - so my guess it'll be end of May/Early June.
Have a cup of tea and a biscuit.
Chamomile?
Some nice speeches by Bronson and Beer Starmer in the commons.
Blimey an actual decent speech from Johnson
The us does not have a head of state separate from the political leader. I dont think canada does either
I was gobsmacked when I read that, but even more so when I scrolled back to see who’d written it!
Hmmm, the sycophantic bastards have cancelled the fitba, that could tip me over the edge into this thread for real. 😆 Absolutely no call for that this weekend, next weekend I could understand, but this just no need at all.
You need someone to speak to and for the nation at times like that, not just half of it whilst infuriating the other half. Politicians can’t really do that function well.
Again, I’m not saying it has to be a monarch, just someone who’s not a politician.
I agree we need some one but not a Monarch who costs hundreds of millions a year and has been allowed to amass so much wealth via the Dutches from the people of this country. I would also like them not to retain the huge legal powers the monarch still retains. I dont care if they use them or not, although the do, its the principle of a so called democracy that allows 1 family so much power I object to
Theresa May is making me laugh out loud! 😮 Lovely stories about the Queen.
Guys guys, I know it is a difficult time but all this bickering won't bring her back.
but even more so when I scrolled back to see who’d written it!
Likewise. I'll never be able to take him seriously again 😉
