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I'm confused by the "Disco 4 is the pick of the range" and "just get a Range Rover" comments.
The Disco (3&4) and Gen 3 Range are 1000kg heavier! Their fuel efficiency and running costs are just not in the same league.
As a general everyday car they are just plain idiotic. The 2wd Evoque is relatively light and compares favourably to a 320d x drive auto:
Stats: BMW 320xd lux auto / Evoque SD4 Prestige auto
0-62mph. 7.5s / 8.5s
MPG: 59combined / 47combined
££££ £35k / £41k
I'm not a huge fan of SUVs in general, but I applaud JLR for introducing a desirable, relatively efficient (you can't do much about drag whilst maintaining the market demanded SUV styling and driving position) luxury alternative to the pointless purchase of a Disco4/RR/RRS for those who NEVER go off road.
The Evoque looks like nothing else on the road, and looks great because of it.
I once saw an Evoque with an "urban camo" paint job.
Depending on where you saw it, it was quite possibly a development/prototype car as they use an 'urban' camp for them. Or it was just someone with no taste.
It was on the M69. It had tinted windows and a personalised plate and was sat immovably in the outside lane despite a distinct lack of anything much to pass on its left.
Coincidentally I think that was the day I decided that humanity was uttelry irredeemable and that the sooner we're wiped out by a ginormous meteorite the better.
takisawa2 - Member
The association with that Beckham woman means I'm out.
TBF it was only a special edition Evoque... I was told by a friend of a friend of a friend etc.. that she was always presented with 3 options, and they placed the option the designers wanted in the middle, as she always picked that one.
I'd happily buy a RR if I won the lottery, but wouldn't touch the evoque with a shitty stick 😉 (just my gem of a opinion)
I think the back of them looks like it's styled after the new bat mobile.
If Batman lived in Cheshire, he'd definitely drive one.
Op, if you want it , buy it.
To some of the posters here say I poste a thread about buying an Indy Fab bike or Shand. Would your reply be get and inbred as they're cheaper and do the same job?
To some of the posters here say I poste a thread about buying an Indy Fab bike or Shand. Would your reply be get and inbred as they're cheaper and do the same job?
Those bikes are quite nice though.
And people are mainly pointing they are cars for ****ers, not that they're too expensive.
And the OP is probably trolling anyway.
But otherwise, I agree entirely.
Stereotypes exist for good reason.
I nearly got wiped out by one of those bloody things yesterday! Overtook me then turned left across me, causing me to slam the brakes on, and take evasive action to avoid being squashed! No indicators were utilised during the execution of this potentially cyclist-crushing manoeuvre.
As I gesticulated and swore at the * inside, I noted with weary predictability that it was a peroxide blonde Essex-a-like, with sunglasses Bono would be too embarrassed to wear, on account of them being a bit gaudy. She didn't notice me swearing at her, as she hadn't noticed me before trying to kill me, as she was (again achingly predictably) gabbing away on her phone.
You may not actually be a complete *, but if you're behind the wheel of one of these, then absolutely everyone, without exception, will assume that you are! The compulsory private plate they all sport merely compounds the idea.
some people will be incompetent drivers whatever cars they own. Be it an evoque,BMW, Audi or rover 45. You cannot blame cars for idiocy.
To some of the posters here say I poste a thread about buying an Indy Fab bike or Shand. Would your reply be get and inbred as they're cheaper and do the same job?
Yeah but in other terms it's more like buying one of these over something that works 🙂
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[/img]Smaller than most estate cars, tiny windows, full or pillars, no visibility and all the other good things but at least it has a nice badge and a price tag to help people know how rich you want to feel.
Well there's incompetent, and there's being an arrogant, inconsiderate ****! Certain cars scream the latter! This is exactly that car!
As a general everyday car they are just plain idiotic. The 2wd Evoque is relatively light and compares favourably to a 320d x drive auto:
But the xdrive is 4wd and the 2wd evoque is 2wd 😀
BMW have made some good progress with their xdrive and it's not got much of an mpg hit and getting popular in response to consumer demand. Previously I think the demand was largely from the USA and back in Germany with the likes of the E30.
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I saw a bloke riding one of those in Bristol the other day. It looked even crappier in real life.
This isn't relevant to why you should or shouldnt buy one but the first time I saw an evoque on the road was here on the edge of the Mendips with a driver of a white one (local car and have seen it being driven just as bad since) just after they came out. We were returning from a ride with 3 friends and I was sitting at the back on the lanes. Driver decided to overtake us all on a bend and met a girl driving a corsa coming the other way. Forced her into the hedge on her side and pinned the riders at the front between his car and the hedge. Then proceeded to shout at the corsa driver! I really felt like putting the guys back window in. I have to admit it did taint my impression of Evoque drivers which has since been reinforced.
Of course I am sure there are some perfectly sensible and considerate drivers of Evoques....I'm just not sure the cocooned cockpit and small blacked out windows help those that aren't.
Also nearly been taken out by drivers of other 4x4s and various makes of normal road car and motorbike but that episode really annoyed me.
andyl - MemberBut the xdrive is 4wd and the 2wd evoque is 2wd
Nope, I compared the 4wd version of both cars.
but you said "The 2wd Evoque is relatively light and compares favourably to a 320d x drive auto"
My mistake. I started by comparing the 2wd variants (still similar) but noticed the thread descending toward 4wd and amended (some of) what I wrote.
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Been recomended to look at a Lexus electric hybrid 4 x 4 car, any experiences of Lexus.
Looked at 1 when replacing the wife's 3 series Touring. Bloody small inside and quite claustrophobic without the pano roof. Nice interior and deffo better than the FL2 to sit in and drive.
However the ubiquity and smallness of them meantt we went for a proper Chelsea tractor in an X5 instead.Still obviously driven with blonde hair, enormous sunglasses but at least the phone is hands free.
Lovely inside. Has a couple of fold up seats in the boot for occasional use. Fast enough and got a deal of spare wheels and winter tyres for £600 with it so can actually cope in the snow.
The Lexus is surely just sold with hybrid drive so that you don't have to pay the congestion charge if you live in London. Was having a nosy at one whilst waiting on car salesman showing me a CLS estate the other day and looked ok in a luxury Japanese kind of way.
Half your friends will envy you and the other half will be laughing at you behind your back 🙂
And just wait till you turn up at the trail centre carpark with it!
Yes my lil Sis has a Lexus 450h and it's rather bloody excellent. Totally loads with all goodies that you'll ever need/want and it's capable of towing Caravans all the way to, and around, Spain. She's been on a year off work, her and her Hubbie bought a 6 berth Caravan and then bought the big Hybrid to tow it with. It's 11mths old and nothing has gone wrong yet with it.
Blinking expensive, but it's a bloody nice thing. I almost thought about buying one myself earlier on this year, decided against it because I don't need something that big.
There is a lot of hate on STW....or is it just that people on here are a bit jealous of people buying nice things! They are nice looking cars, nearly as nice looking as the XF. If you can afford it just buy one .
I quite like them. If you. An afford one get one, they're not massive inside but then again neither are BMW's. They've been masters of the reverse tardis for years. Our three series is useless for carrying stuff.
Interesting to hear the thoughts of those slating what it is like to drive when the likes of Evo rated it pretty highly. It'll never be massively involving but I'd imagine that it's better than a freelander. They're nice inside too and as I get older, it's something that I'm getting more bothered about.
All cars get driven and parked badly.
The comments about spending money on cars are odd given the love fir wood stoves, expensive coffee machines and bikes on here. If someone can afford a car, so what? There are loads of impractical cars out there.
I too am in the market for a 'small' crossover SUV type motor and have booked a test drive of a Volvo XC60 AWD. Volvo seem to have some reasonable deals on at the moment. Anyone here care to admit owning one of these? Here's the link BTW.
http://www.volvocars.com/uk/all-cars/volvo-xc60/tools/Pages/offers.aspx
Classic STW response. Blokes who earn 40k pa happily critiquing the purchasing power of people further up the middle management food chain. LOLz
(FWIW it's a bit too over-styled for me, but I don't struggle with the green-eyed monster when I see one on the road. Life's too short.)
EDIT and as for the "it's just an expensive Freelander, so buy one of those"... Genius! Ever been in one of those agricultural, lurching things? My mother had a top end loaner while her Ranger Rover was in the garage (natch) and it was dreadful. I can't believe an Evoque is any worse than something that noisy and unrefined.
Not sure it's jealousy, OMITN, they just look shit.
Obviously I should qualify this statement, by pointing out I drive a Fiesta, so am quite the fashionista.
fiestas look better than evoques...
there's a pretty hefty fuel economy and price difference between the evoque and the bmw mentioned above.
I can't imagine ever wanting to buy an Evoque. If I wanted a 4x4 I'd buy something like a Land Crusier because they don't let you down, I'd never want a SUV because I'd buy something with space on the inside and the rest of the time I want something cheap and economical. I have no need or desire to try and pretend to people I don't know that I'm living a lifestyle that they want to aspire to. It's not envy, I'm just not interested in what other people's aspirations are.
My oh has a disco but I have a Dacia duster. Plastic, cheap and fantastic in the Austrian snow.
ourmaninthenorth - Member
Classic STW response. Blokes who earn 40k pa happily critiquing the purchasing power of people further up the middle management food chain. LOLz
Yep, if I was in the market for a fat, squat looking pokey estate car with poor MPG carrying a hell of a lot of extra weight, with poor visibility and styling based part crushing a range rover it would be high on my list...
I don't want any form of SUV at all, from either a Dacia to RR. I like 99% of the SE England population dont need one and hence they are bought for image not purpose. However I can understand why people like the image and high driving position. I've been driven in an Evoque, RR sport, FL2 and Pajaro in the last four days but given the state of the roads where I am I can understand why they are used. bTW Evoque seemed fine from the inside.
Classic STW response. Blokes who earn 40k pa happily critiquing the purchasing power of people further up the middle management food chain. LOLz(FWIW it's a bit too over-styled for me, but I don't struggle with the green-eyed monster when I see one on the road. Life's too short.)
Wow, you've said more about yourself than anyone you're trying to criticise here pal.
There's probably quite a few on here who could afford one, but think that they're the epitome of naffness.
there's a pretty hefty fuel economy and price difference between the evoque and the bmw mentioned above.
Not when you consider the residuals of both cars. 20% fuel saving[u] isn't[/u] hefty.
ourmaninthenorth - Member
Classic STW response. Blokes who earn 40k pa happily critiquing the purchasing power of people further up the middle management food chain. LOLz
Classic STW mistake. People don't like the looks and reason, mistaken for envy.
Not when you consider the residuals of both cars. 20% fuel saving isn't hefty.
Only if you actually buy it...
Great fun-troll, way above usual standard of the OP.
Although i can't help hoping that project actually gets one. With lots of extras. And a Jason Bent haircut to go with it. 😀
Going for a test drive of one next week,hopefully the above comments want cloud my mind with negativity, and obvious jealousy of the lower clases
Misplaced sense of superiority.
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Low intelligence
- Check (it's classes not clases) 😀
Congratulations, you have passed the entrance requirements.
Please proceed directly to your nearest landrover dealer where they will be happy to take £40K off you.
You will then be entitled to park in 'parent and child' or disabled spaces at the supermarket and no longer have to move out of the outside lane on the motorway to let lesser vehicles past.
i dont envy anyone who would consider purchasing such a vehicle, they probably dress like a teenager despite being middle aged and are partial to sunbed use and theme pubs.
I can't imagine ever wanting to buy an Evoque. If I wanted a 4x4 I'd buy something like a Land Crusier because they don't let you down, I'd never want a SUV because I'd buy something with space on the inside and the rest of the time I want something cheap and economical. I have no need or desire to try and pretend to people I don't know that I'm living a lifestyle that they want to aspire to. It's not envy, I'm just not interested in what other people's aspirations are.
Hmm; rational,reasonable, sensible and indicative of a modicum of self-awareness...
How on earth can this sort of thing be allowed on this forum!?!?! 😯
mudmuncher - Member
Misplaced sense of superiority.
- CheckLow intelligence
- Check (it's classes not clases)Congratulations, you have passed the entrance requirements.
Please proceed directly to your nearest landrover dealer where they will be happy to take £40K off you.
You will then be entitled to park in 'parent and child' or disabled spaces at the supermarket and no longer have to move out of the outside lane on the motorway to let lesser vehicles past.
Interesting.
1. It's Land Rover, not landrover.
2. In this context it's £40k from, not £40k off.
3. I'd probably use a semicolon to link the first and second sentences, but that's just me.
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why would you use a semicolon?
the semiicolon is where you get to when you shove your head right up your....
1. It's Land Rover, not landrover.
2. In this context it's £40k from, not £40k off.
3. I'd probably use a semicolon to link the first and second sentences, but that's just me.
1. Actually it's a Tata.
2. Prefer "happy to take £40K off you" as it carries the subtle implication you are being fleeced.
3. That is just you.
Very expensive ! If you've that sort of money to spend have a look at the new Porsche Macan, I suspect it will cost you less to own over three years and will be much better made.
Project's finest troll in ages. Good work, op.
TATA build them better than the shite that was previously called Range Rover mind.
Have you noticed how many AA trucks have Range Rovers on the back.
My old gaffer paid 75k for a Ranger Rover Vogue in 2002 new.
He hardly drove the bloody thing, braking down, suspension faults, electrical faults, every bloody fault.
The Indians at least seem to do it better. My OH's Disco has been faultless and she does around 50,000 kilometers a year.
OH, Buy new,get a warranty, put it against your business if you have one, what's not to lose?
Or you could get a panda 4x4 and spend the difference on prostitutes and cocaine.
Leaving the gym today and look what I saw, looks like an Evoque with a porche style badge with "RR" in the centre, with Revere branding all over it. Looked on the DAP cars site and Revere London site and these go for £79,000 😯 😯 😯
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You liked so much you posted it twice.
I like that.
Overfinch do some crackers too.
jambalaya - MemberVery expensive ! If you've that sort of money to spend have a look at the new Porsche Macan, I suspect it will cost you less to own over three years and will be much better made.
Apart from an 18 month wait
iolo - Member
You liked so much you posted it twice.
I like that.
Overfinch do some crackers too.
My android loves a good double post 😆
PS I wonder if they have kids, or just parking the family bay due to their new "rights" after spending £79k 😆
@iolo in fact that looks the same as what I seen at the gym, a new RR sport, albeit Revere VS overfinch aftermarket kits.
Very expensive ! If you've that sort of money to spend have a look at the new Porsche Macan, I suspect it will cost you less to own over three years and will be much better made.Which is basically a posher version of a Q5, so surely no better than an Evoque being a tarted up Freelander....
I don't think Porsche are that well made given the engine issues that have plagued them since the original Boxster and the 996 onwards (IMS bearings, bore scoring etc). I don't doubt that it'll sell well...pretty sure that the 4x4's will be the mainstay of the Porsche range in terms of numbers sold.
pretty sure that the 4x4's will be the mainstay of the Porsche range in terms of numbers sold.
Virtually every street here in Vienna has at least 3 Cayennes parked.
Will someone correct me if I'm wrong but aren't these Touaregs in a nice dress?
Apart from an 18 month wait
@engineer Is that right !! I saw my first one the other day, was ok not wow but you can't expect much as its a 4x4 saloon.
@mindmap - yup when I first saw the Cayenne I wondered what Porsche where thinking but it's been a hugely successful model for them, big money earner. I'll put my hand up and say I'd take a Macan or more likely a 1+yr old face lifted Cayenne over any land / range rover all day long. Build quality and reliability are excellent. Anyway back in the real world it will probably be an old rav4 to put the bikes and other crap in.
@iolo same floorplan as Q7 / Toureg but so much more engineering in terms of drivetrain etc and of course body and interior
Is it bad that this thread made me look up used Porsche Cayenne Turbos? Casual browsing turned up a Turbo (ten years old with "a few" miles on it) for £8995 asking price.
And it'd do everything (except being cheap to run), even proper off roading if you chuck the right tyres on.
Plus it's a petrol so you're not damaging the children's lungs with nasty diesel emissions.
@phil, it doesn't make you a bad man, I've gone from hater (first models where ugly) to really liking the new model.
@engineer Is that right !! I saw my first one the other day, was ok not wow but you can't expect much as its a 4x4 saloon.
When they got released last December yes. Not sure what the current up to date wait. Going to check before I order my discovery
At risk of being lambasted..... I bought an Evoque (Pure, Tech, Coupe, SD4) two years ago and have been delighted with it. It's comfortable (get the heated seats!), fuel efficient (yes, really!) and dead practical for bikes (I have a tow ball bike rack which is great). My only criticisms would be that the boot is a tad small, and the access to the back seat isn't easy. If you like the looks, which I do, go for it.
@phil have a look at how much a set of tyres will cost you. A mate had one and got roughly 8000 miles out of a set....
@engineer, lot less interior space than a Disco, more Q3 than Q5 in that regard I would say. I wouldn't say no though !
@phil have a look at how much a set of tyres will cost you. A mate had one and got roughly 8000 miles out of a set....
Blimey. How did he drive it ??? Should be good for 20,000+ driven normally
Shouldn't that be parked in a disabled space?
aP - MemberI can't imagine ever wanting to buy an Evoque. If I wanted a 4x4 I'd buy something like a Land Crusier because they don't let you down, I'd never want a SUV because I'd buy something with space on the inside and the rest of the time I want something cheap and economical. I have no need or desire to try and pretend to people I don't know that I'm living a lifestyle that they want to aspire to. It's not envy, I'm just not interested in what other people's aspirations are.
^this (or Defender 110, because they make me smile when I drive them)
I had a Defender 110 as works truck for a bit. The noisiest thing I've ever had. You went over 50mph the panels would shake. Cassette player on a 2010 model. That was the only mod con. Bloody awful thing.
^but that is why I don't have one. But if I needed one, say I owned a hill farm, then I would.
loddrik - Member
Range rovers of any sort are driven by ****.
Really good at sweeping generalisations, then.
A good friend of mine has a new RR Sport, replacing his previous model Sport. He's someone I have a great deal of respect for, who travels to very dangerous parts of the world to help very disadvantaged people.
He's many times the man you are.
OP, save a few more pennies and go for one of these.
Now that's a nice car.
good call , I've always liked the Ford Flex.
Mind factor in the extra cost of getting indicators fitted. As far as I can tell, Range Rover don't seem to fit them as standard. 😉
I bought an Evoque (Pure, Tech, Coupe, SD4) two years ago and have been delighted with it. It's comfortable (get the heated seats!), fuel efficient (yes, really!) and dead practical for bikes (I have a tow ball bike rack which is great).
OK, so not that practical..
My only criticisms would be that the boot is a tad small, and the access to the back seat isn't easy. If you like the looks, which I do, go for it.
if you want to put something in the back?
I was amazed when I saw then just how small they were and when you look at what the interior is like you can tell it's designed to carry some nice shopping bags at most 😉
They are small in the back but no worse than the size vs boot space of a something like a Nissan Juke.
They are small in the back but no worse than the size vs boot space of a something like a Nissan Juke.
But the Juke is tiny ! The Evoke is a style over substance car, no issue with that but you have to accept it for what it is.
OP, as everyone hates the evoque get a Hummer. They're cool.
If your buying new vw toureg
Just get a Cayman. Hunter S Thompson likes 'em.
That Cayman video is bloody awful. The most annoying voice ever.
project - Member
Going for a test drive of one next week,hopefully the above comments want cloud my mind with negativity, and obvious jealousy of the lower clases
We were all looking forward to the road test report.
Did it fit into the disabled spaces?
The Evoque would, but the X6 in Denny high school today could only manage diagonally across two spaces. 😕
Just two? I assume they were the spaces for the school buses. 😛
Range rover evoque.........I would rather guide my dad into my mum !
Think project has his eye on one of these instead......
http://www.roverparts.com/News/Archive/TheBurberryRangeRoverSport.cfm






