[Closed] They've really got it in for this guy.........

Case 1
Somebody here on a Visa with conditions attached. Broke conditions asked to leave, same would happen to me here in Oz.

Case 2
British Citizen, where would we deport him to

Case 3
British Citizen, where would we deport him to

Not sure what your point is apart from comparing apples, oranges and elephants

any opportunity for Kimbers to flaunt his chip is a good opportunity.

Alright then, in case 1 he got locked up.
It's still a massive difference in appropriate sentencing. I'm with kimbers on this, it's a toff's event so he got hammered for it.

well 200 years ago we couldve deported them to australia

visa issues asside im not seeing much consistency with sentencing

my chip is indeed a weighty burden, but I struggle on curved of spine but fortified by my moral justification

And their rationale for doing this to the chap...

Judge Anne Molyneux said he had ruined the race for everyone.

Oh boo hoo.

but I struggle on curved of spine

that'll be a vitamin deficiency kimbers. You need to eat more caviar and fois gras.

my chip is indeed a weighty burden, but I struggle on curved of spine but fortified by my moral justification

you should probably try and claim for that, where there's blame....

It's a good job the Australian Visa system is a bit more forgiving...

[url= http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/scottish-couple-face-deportation-from-australia-1-2803074 ]Except it's not...[/url]

A guest in this country behaved like a dick, and is due to be kicked out. Hard for me to muster much more than a shrug. I imagine a long legal wrangle involving his 'right to a family life' will ensue, so the delightful Mr Oldfield will be with us for a while.

visa issues asside im not seeing much consistency with sentencing

Judges discretion and all that isn't it. He "only" did 2 months but he must have realised the possible outcome of a criminal conviction. I can't say I agree that he's any sort of risk to the UK mind.

6 months inside and now facing deportation, so does that mean he has to leave his child fatherless?

More to the point, who has been looking after his child while he has been locked up?

Pass the Sarsons.....

(Blimey, it's early Monday morning and we have this and another 26/29er thread already. Where was the party last night? Is it still going?)

Just posh political types stamping on anyone who dares to protest.
Immigrants have commited far worse crimes, and have been allowed to stay.

"Oldfield told Isleworth Crown Court that his actions were a protest against elitism and inequality" Looks like elitism and inequality get the last laugh.

That's called irony.

[quote=ski ]More to the point, who has been looking after his child while he has been locked up?

His wife, given the child is still inside her.

A Home Office spokesman said: "Those who come to the UK must abide by our laws.

I've known Police officers face misconduct hearings and dismissal for expressing this opinion (and not even in public).

if he had a beard and was from a different geographical place, would the withdrawal of his visa be as shocking?

Ooh can I be deported to Australia as well pleeeeease.

if he had a beard and was from a different geographical place, would the withdrawal of his visa be as shocking?

He did have a beard.

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He does it to an event that's high profile and is considered uppper class - to make an example.

He's then deported - to make an example.

Get him out of here. Absolutely no respect for the country, or one of it's institutions, and completely ruined something people were training for all year.

Not suprised he's annoyed. Complainers gonna complain! Whingers gonna whinge.

Suprised he's not jumped in front of a horse at Ascot to get his point across. Muppet.

Get him out of here. Absolutely no respect for the country

He started a charity partly funded by the Arts Council for England.

I feel it is a bit harsh what about his right to family life that deportees always come out with?

[quote> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23025311

6 months inside and now facing deportation, so does that mean he has to leave his child fatherless?

If she didn't want to move to Austrialia/be left in this country without a father then she could have not married a criminal/pillock

of course do it at a football match and youll get a caution
http://www.contactmusic.com/news/comedian-simon-brodkin-cautioned-over-pitch-invasion_3585981

if its a bike race you can actually kill a cyclist and get let off
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/veteran-cyclist-leonard-grayson

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

dont mess with the upper class' sports or they will fk you over !

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/left_wing_chip_on_shoulder

He started a charity partly funded by the Arts Council for England.

Setting up a charity sound amazing, but when you think about it just means asking other people for money so you can do something with it that you see as positive. I'm not sure he mentioned these plans to the Arts Council for England when he made his application.

One individual is jailed and deported, a British citizen is possibly left without their husband, and a British child is possibly left without their father. All for a public nuisance offence. How can that be considered reasonable, fair or just?

All for a public nuisance offence. How can that be considered reasonable, fair or just?

[quote=donal ]One individual is jailed and deported, a British citizen is possibly left without their husband, and a British child is possibly left without their father. All for a public nuisance offence. How can that be considered reasonable, fair or just?

When he came to the UK (or applied to come) he would have signed up to some conditions in order to get his Visa. I did when I came to Oz, I know that I am a guest in this country and my right to remain is conditional on a number of things. If these things change then I am no longer welcome. Perhaps he should have checked those first.

They can move to Oz if they can get a visa, it's a good example of thinking before you act.

And that makes it reasonable, fair and just? The law is an ass.

Does to me, I signed up for similar conditions read then and plan to abide by them, it's only polite when you are a guest somewhere.
He could have avoided the whole situation really.

It'll enhance his valuable work on what a gateway looks like.

http://www.thisisnotagateway.net/

Current projects include research for a book that unearths the socio-political history of fences/railings in London

😕

No good deed goes unpunished.

This really has nothing to do with deporting a criminal.
It's more to do with ruining the life of someone who dared to protest against the rich who run this country.
In four years time, he'll be allowed to stay, and the taxpayer will pick up a huge legal bill.

They can move to Oz if they can get a visa, it's a good example of thinking before you act.

Is this geared to him or to the state ?
He may be a tit he may be a fool.
he may be an idiot
However there is an innocent child here and wont someone think of the child and their outcomes[ hand wringer for the win]

What if the mother cannot get a visa for Oz.

Seems disproportionately harsh but he is a tit for what he did.

He's a tit for being an arty tit, but six months and deportation for swimming near the boat race is vindictive.

Oh one less aussie bar man in london! how will we cope?

swimming near the boat race

He wasn't out for a swim FFS. He picked a high profile event to ruin and get as much publicity as he could for whatever cause he thought was more important than the concerns of others that day.

Throwing a few eggs at a building is a public nuisance. This was carefully chosen to get him as much airplay as possible and further his own personal goals.

Also on the punishment being out of skew with the crime. HE was the person who has put himself in the situation of being in this country on a visa to be with his family. It would be disproportionate if he was British and we were deporting him, but we're not. He wants to be in this country and part of the visa process is that you have to behave while you're here. If he really wanted to spend his life doing disruptive publicity stunts then do it in your own country and bring the family to you.

It's a bit like turning up at the pearly gates and saying:

"I only stumbled over - why did it end up with me dying, it's so unfair!!!"

"You were the one tightrope walking the Grand Canyon, you muppet"

It's disproportionate because of the choices he's made.

If he really wanted to spend his life doing disruptive publicity stunts then do it in your own country and bring the family to you.

Is there really any evidence that he intends [i]"to spend his life doing disruptive publicity stunts"[/i], or did you make that up ?

I reckon it's likely that he won't re-offend, although I don't know him.

Deportation seems a bit extreme. Why not just impound his wetsuit for the next race?

I reckon it's likely that he won't re-offend, although I don't know him.

Is there really any evidence

You do know he did it on live TV, admitted his crime, was arrested, went to court and was convicted?

did you make that up ?

Doesn't look like it.

Nice bit of selective quoting there.

MSP: Me or Ernie?

If you take:

If he really wanted to spend his life doing disruptive publicity stunts then do it in your own country and bring the family to you.

I was careful with my wording here. I think it's clear that I've refered to his acts in the past tense therefore speaking about the things that he's already done.

Or Ernies selective quoting:

to spend his life doing disruptive publicity stunts

Which he choses to base his argument on.

I actually hate having to write this post. Bloody STW. Apologies for anyone that's actually wasted their time reading it.

I'm with you Donal.

Tearing apart families over petty crimes is a very malicious thing to do, and I know the right wingers who hate anyone being in "their" country may not see it like that but leaving a child without a father because of a minor offence in which no one was injured and no property damaged or stolen is not appropriate. The consequences of breaking up a family, restricting someone's access to the country and making his wife go through the turmoil of applying for a visa for another country (chances are they'll have to be apart for a long time before she's allowed into Australia) are far more damaging than befits the crime.

The consequences of breaking up a family, restricting someone's access to the country and making his wife go through the turmoil of applying for a visa for another country (chances are they'll have to be apart for a long time before she's allowed into Australia) are far more damaging than befits the crime.

[url= http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/boat-race-protester-trenton-oldfield--i-would-happily-go-back-to-prison-for-my-beliefs-124006870.html ]For those who think that he puts his family first and wouldn't do it again.[/url]

I was careful with my wording here.

So was I. It's obvious that there is evidence he has committed an offence, he's been convicted. I asked if there was any evidence that he is likely to re-offend. Using terms such as [i]"spend his life"[/i] suggests that you think he might.

As a general rule I think foreigners who commit crimes such as theft, rape, assault, etc, should be deported. Partly because they are likely to re-offend and partly because they are imo taking the piss.

I believe the 6mths plus deportation in the case of Oldfield is overkill. I think it was a stupid stunt against a perfectly innocent sporting event enjoyed by millions. But I also think that the unlikeliness of re-offending and his partner's British nationality should be taken into consideration.

EDIT : [i]For those who think that he puts his family first and wouldn't do it again.[/i] Fair enough. He's clearly an idiot. IMO.

He was originally charged with a minor offence. This was changed later to a custodial sentence. Under pressure from above. Even so, a 6-month sentence (released after 2 months) wouldn't normally mean you lose your visa status. Remember, this isn't some dodgy immigrant only coming here to claim benefits, this is a person who's lived, worked, paid taxes and built a life here for 10 years.

Now his life is being vindictively ruined - for making some people temporarily stop rowing.

Think about it.
sentenced to year in the nick, followed by deportation, for causing a public nuisance.
Stuart hall's better off, for raping a nine year old. 😯
Who can seriously say that doesn't stink.

TBH He/his partner would probably have a better life in Oz than here. Madness what he did however his, is hardly the crime of the sodding century. He spoke/voiced/didn't suffer from apathy like alot of us now do. No matter how right or wrong he is.

They should have just run him down, like that Emily Davison scumbag.

TBH He/his partner would probably have a better life in Oz than here.

Could it be a cunning plan to get him and his wife back to Oz 1/2 price?

Well apparently : [i]Oldfield says he always questioned why he and his family were in Australia as his roots are European. He says: "I thought why are we here? Living in someone else’s country. Taking land away from the indigenous people. I couldn’t ignore that political situation living in a colonial context."[/i]

He sounds a bit of a prat imo.

He sounds a bit of a prat imo.

Now gentlemen, lets not forget that Trenton has an MSc in 'Contemporary Urbanism'

Now, following his release from jail, the 37-year-old claims prison life was a ‘positive experience’ for him, he would do it again and has ‘absolutely no regrets’ about his actions.

Oldfield says he always questioned why he and his family were in Australia as his roots are European. He says: "I thought why are we here? Living in someone else’s country. Taking land away from the indigenous people. I couldn’t ignore that political situation living in a colonial context."

Lets get him on here. Sounds like a bundle of laughs and the place is missing a few 'characters'

We need more right-wing 'characters' on here, specially after Z-11's sad demise - not seen since Thatcher's funeral. Not more politically correct guardian reading type 'characters'.

What do you expect? He interupted a toffs money making event dress up as a a sporting tradition

after Z-11's sad demise - not seen since Thatcher's funeral.

Perfect timing Chrismac.

I assume that's the type you were thinking of Ernie?

Never saw them in the same room, did you.

How about... Spread tacks on a road to disrupt a charity cycle race, cause thousands of pounds worth of damage, massive disruption, risk the safety of riders etc, charges quietly dropped. Disrupt boat race- hung drawn and quartered.

How about... Spread tacks on a road to disrupt a charity cycle race, cause thousands of pounds worth of damage, massive disruption, risk the safety of riders etc, charges quietly dropped. Disrupt boat race- hung drawn and quartered.

Ah, but the difference there is that they couldn't prove it was him

What Trenton should have done was spread thousands of tacks on the River Thames!

Not more politically correct guardian reading type 'characters'

Ah, but the difference there is that they couldn't prove it was him

Now gentlemen, lets not forget that Trenton has an MSc in 'Contemporary Urbanism'

Sounds like reason enough to deport him!

He should have asked for some advice on lawyers from...

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He knows a few who are pretty hot on preventing deportations

As a general rule I think foreigners who commit crimes such as theft, rape, assault, etc, should be deported. Partly because they are likely to re-offend and partly because they are imo taking the piss.

This.

But apparently a rapist has more right to a family life. I'm not defending this bloke but as has been said, there are a lot worse people walking the streets using their "human rights" as an excuse to commit savage and brutal crimes against other people. What about the rights of everyone else to not have to live in fear? I would quite happily kick them all out personally, off the top of the White cliffs of Dover.

[quote=uselesshippy ]Think about it.
sentenced to year in the nick, followed by deportation, for causing a public nuisance.
Stuart hall's better off, for raping a nine year old.
Who can seriously say that doesn't stink.

Sentenced to a year? 6 months but out after 2.

I do wonder though, if the people saying it's disproportionate accept that he did this to himself. He's said he'd do it again, intimating the cost to his family is worth whatever "good" he feels disrupting a rowing event brought. His public statements make him sound like a bit of a prick and if he has no consideration for his wife and unborn child, why on earth should the government or courts?

We should give his wife and child consideration because to not do so leave us to be just like him.
I dont want to be a prick do you?

Call me a cynic, but basic maths/biology here.

Sentenced in October 2012 for an action in April 2012.

June 2013 - "I broke the terms of my visa, but you can't refuse me leave to remain because my wife's pregnant!"

OK, it doesn't say how many months pregnant his wife is, or even when he married her, but still...

So what's the solution? A bloke on a visa says he'll happily go to prison again to further his goals (whatever they are). Do you just keep putting him away for longer and longer periods (like the naked hiker) or do you just ask him to kindly bugger off home?

atlaz - Member

if he has no consideration for his wife and unborn child, why on earth should the government or courts?

Because it's them that we'd be screwing, not him, and they're completely innocent. (Dur)

Northwind - but you can use the same argument for putting anyone in prison or deporting them. They have loved ones, lets not be mean to their loved ones because they didn't do the crime.

My Giveashitometer is failing to register this.

It may not be fair but those were the rules he signed up to when he applied for his Visa. This is a consequence of his own actions.

atlaz - Member

Northwind - but you can use the same argument for putting anyone in prison or deporting them.

And we do, all the time.

but you can use the same argument for putting anyone in prison or deporting them. They have loved ones, lets not be mean to their loved ones because they didn't do the crime.

You are right though that we need to balance the rights and risks here

From his interview.....

He said he did not want to return to Australia as he did not feel comfortable living on Aboriginal land and that the country was still under the control of the Queen.

So he doesn't want to go to a country that was still under the control of the Queen? Erm....... I see a slight flaw in his argument here

Anyway... he sounds like a complete cock! Which, once I'm running the country, will be reason enough on its own for deportation. Even if you were born here. That's no defence!

And being called Trenton would also be a deportation offence of it own right too. Because its a stupid name! So one way or another, he's on his way home