[Closed] They've really got it in for this guy.........

I'm with you Donal.

Tearing apart families over petty crimes is a very malicious thing to do, and I know the right wingers who hate anyone being in "their" country may not see it like that but leaving a child without a father because of a minor offence in which no one was injured and no property damaged or stolen is not appropriate. The consequences of breaking up a family, restricting someone's access to the country and making his wife go through the turmoil of applying for a visa for another country (chances are they'll have to be apart for a long time before she's allowed into Australia) are far more damaging than befits the crime.

The consequences of breaking up a family, restricting someone's access to the country and making his wife go through the turmoil of applying for a visa for another country (chances are they'll have to be apart for a long time before she's allowed into Australia) are far more damaging than befits the crime.

[url= http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/boat-race-protester-trenton-oldfield--i-would-happily-go-back-to-prison-for-my-beliefs-124006870.html ]For those who think that he puts his family first and wouldn't do it again.[/url]

I was careful with my wording here.

So was I. It's obvious that there is evidence he has committed an offence, he's been convicted. I asked if there was any evidence that he is likely to re-offend. Using terms such as [i]"spend his life"[/i] suggests that you think he might.

As a general rule I think foreigners who commit crimes such as theft, rape, assault, etc, should be deported. Partly because they are likely to re-offend and partly because they are imo taking the piss.

I believe the 6mths plus deportation in the case of Oldfield is overkill. I think it was a stupid stunt against a perfectly innocent sporting event enjoyed by millions. But I also think that the unlikeliness of re-offending and his partner's British nationality should be taken into consideration.

EDIT : [i]For those who think that he puts his family first and wouldn't do it again.[/i] Fair enough. He's clearly an idiot. IMO.

He was originally charged with a minor offence. This was changed later to a custodial sentence. Under pressure from above. Even so, a 6-month sentence (released after 2 months) wouldn't normally mean you lose your visa status. Remember, this isn't some dodgy immigrant only coming here to claim benefits, this is a person who's lived, worked, paid taxes and built a life here for 10 years.

Now his life is being vindictively ruined - for making some people temporarily stop rowing.

Think about it.
sentenced to year in the nick, followed by deportation, for causing a public nuisance.
Stuart hall's better off, for raping a nine year old. 😯
Who can seriously say that doesn't stink.

TBH He/his partner would probably have a better life in Oz than here. Madness what he did however his, is hardly the crime of the sodding century. He spoke/voiced/didn't suffer from apathy like alot of us now do. No matter how right or wrong he is.

They should have just run him down, like that Emily Davison scumbag.

TBH He/his partner would probably have a better life in Oz than here.

Could it be a cunning plan to get him and his wife back to Oz 1/2 price?

Well apparently : [i]Oldfield says he always questioned why he and his family were in Australia as his roots are European. He says: "I thought why are we here? Living in someone else’s country. Taking land away from the indigenous people. I couldn’t ignore that political situation living in a colonial context."[/i]

He sounds a bit of a prat imo.

He sounds a bit of a prat imo.

Now gentlemen, lets not forget that Trenton has an MSc in 'Contemporary Urbanism'

Now, following his release from jail, the 37-year-old claims prison life was a ‘positive experience’ for him, he would do it again and has ‘absolutely no regrets’ about his actions.

Oldfield says he always questioned why he and his family were in Australia as his roots are European. He says: "I thought why are we here? Living in someone else’s country. Taking land away from the indigenous people. I couldn’t ignore that political situation living in a colonial context."

Lets get him on here. Sounds like a bundle of laughs and the place is missing a few 'characters'

We need more right-wing 'characters' on here, specially after Z-11's sad demise - not seen since Thatcher's funeral. Not more politically correct guardian reading type 'characters'.

What do you expect? He interupted a toffs money making event dress up as a a sporting tradition

after Z-11's sad demise - not seen since Thatcher's funeral.

Perfect timing Chrismac.

I assume that's the type you were thinking of Ernie?

Never saw them in the same room, did you.

How about... Spread tacks on a road to disrupt a charity cycle race, cause thousands of pounds worth of damage, massive disruption, risk the safety of riders etc, charges quietly dropped. Disrupt boat race- hung drawn and quartered.

How about... Spread tacks on a road to disrupt a charity cycle race, cause thousands of pounds worth of damage, massive disruption, risk the safety of riders etc, charges quietly dropped. Disrupt boat race- hung drawn and quartered.

Ah, but the difference there is that they couldn't prove it was him

What Trenton should have done was spread thousands of tacks on the River Thames!

Not more politically correct guardian reading type 'characters'

Ah, but the difference there is that they couldn't prove it was him

Now gentlemen, lets not forget that Trenton has an MSc in 'Contemporary Urbanism'

Sounds like reason enough to deport him!

He should have asked for some advice on lawyers from...

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He knows a few who are pretty hot on preventing deportations

As a general rule I think foreigners who commit crimes such as theft, rape, assault, etc, should be deported. Partly because they are likely to re-offend and partly because they are imo taking the piss.

This.

But apparently a rapist has more right to a family life. I'm not defending this bloke but as has been said, there are a lot worse people walking the streets using their "human rights" as an excuse to commit savage and brutal crimes against other people. What about the rights of everyone else to not have to live in fear? I would quite happily kick them all out personally, off the top of the White cliffs of Dover.

[quote=uselesshippy ]Think about it.
sentenced to year in the nick, followed by deportation, for causing a public nuisance.
Stuart hall's better off, for raping a nine year old.
Who can seriously say that doesn't stink.

Sentenced to a year? 6 months but out after 2.

I do wonder though, if the people saying it's disproportionate accept that he did this to himself. He's said he'd do it again, intimating the cost to his family is worth whatever "good" he feels disrupting a rowing event brought. His public statements make him sound like a bit of a prick and if he has no consideration for his wife and unborn child, why on earth should the government or courts?

We should give his wife and child consideration because to not do so leave us to be just like him.
I dont want to be a prick do you?

Call me a cynic, but basic maths/biology here.

Sentenced in October 2012 for an action in April 2012.

June 2013 - "I broke the terms of my visa, but you can't refuse me leave to remain because my wife's pregnant!"

OK, it doesn't say how many months pregnant his wife is, or even when he married her, but still...

So what's the solution? A bloke on a visa says he'll happily go to prison again to further his goals (whatever they are). Do you just keep putting him away for longer and longer periods (like the naked hiker) or do you just ask him to kindly bugger off home?

atlaz - Member

if he has no consideration for his wife and unborn child, why on earth should the government or courts?

Because it's them that we'd be screwing, not him, and they're completely innocent. (Dur)

Northwind - but you can use the same argument for putting anyone in prison or deporting them. They have loved ones, lets not be mean to their loved ones because they didn't do the crime.

My Giveashitometer is failing to register this.

It may not be fair but those were the rules he signed up to when he applied for his Visa. This is a consequence of his own actions.

atlaz - Member

Northwind - but you can use the same argument for putting anyone in prison or deporting them.

And we do, all the time.

but you can use the same argument for putting anyone in prison or deporting them. They have loved ones, lets not be mean to their loved ones because they didn't do the crime.

You are right though that we need to balance the rights and risks here

From his interview.....

He said he did not want to return to Australia as he did not feel comfortable living on Aboriginal land and that the country was still under the control of the Queen.

So he doesn't want to go to a country that was still under the control of the Queen? Erm....... I see a slight flaw in his argument here

Anyway... he sounds like a complete cock! Which, once I'm running the country, will be reason enough on its own for deportation. Even if you were born here. That's no defence!

And being called Trenton would also be a deportation offence of it own right too. Because its a stupid name! So one way or another, he's on his way home

Surely the right to a family life will prevent him from being deported?

He said he did not want to return to Australia as he did not feel comfortable living on Aboriginal land and that the country was still under the control of the Queen.

He really said that? Jesus wept.

what is the risk here exactly

To be totally honest, if he'd expressed remorse rather than grabbing his 15 mins of fame with both hands I'm willing to bet he'd have got off with a slap on the wrist. Or if he'd left prison and not tried for another 15 mins of fame with that gobshite statement about being happy to go to jail again willing to bet he wouldn't be facing a visa revocation.

He's no real risk to the UK at all really but he's so lacking in contrition it makes it hard to sympathise with his position.

I'm liking the idea of a "Giveashitometer"!

No sympathy for him, if you can't do the time etc. I doubt the Aussies would be worrying unduly if this was the other way round. He and his family will have to face up to the consequences of his own actions, which seems to be a social skill largely lost in current society.

If it seems disproportionate to other sentences, maybe we need to increase the other sentences.....

From an interview with him:

Oldfield says he believes so strongly in his cause that 'without a doubt' he is prepared to put himself in a situation where he may get sent back to prison –

Prison costs in the region of £41k per prisoner per year. Why would you continue to accommodate someone who is setting themselves up for this cost.

He obviously is not that fussed for his right to family life if he is prepared to get himself locked up again.

His cause is crap, his arguments disjointed and he is not going to change anything. Send him away.

Words not actions... Lots of people declare undying faith for a cause, relatively few have it. It is only my opinion but to me the right thing to do is to punish him proportionately for the offence he has committed, and then [i]if[/i] he reoffends punish him for that. Deportation of a proven serial offender is appropriate. Deportation of a loudmouthed tosser, I think maybe not.

If we deported anyone who said something foolish then this forum would be become very antipodean very quickly

*Marks Junkyard's card*

Let's send him home, along with his family, and then benchmark all other crimes and misdemeanours against it. Anyone on a visa committing a crime worse than interrupting two boat loads of posh kids going backwards whilst sitting down gets sent back home.

Binners for King. 😀

TO: Please can I come into your country and stay a while?
HMG: OK but you must promise to be a good boy!
TO: Yes Sir

a little while later..

TO: F***k you, you fascist elitist pigs, watch me make a massive public nuisance of myself with a useless but attention seeking stunt.
HMG: OK sonny, GTF out of our country.
TO: Oh that's so unfair........I hate you, you just dont understand me!