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Yeah, not sure how it works - I meant FRA registered races. For example, there was a Kendal Winter League race in my hometown at the weekend - had I been in town, could I have entered with FRA membership? Do I need to be in England athletics?
Sorry for the daft Qs, I know how this works for bike racing in UK and Spain, but maybe fell races are a bit more casual.
I’m currently sat here with 4 day old Mini Monkey
Congratulations mate! Enjoy learning how to run on only a few hours sleep 🙂
Bob - last KWL was at Birkrigg on 27th Jan. If you look at the results there are plenty of Unattached folk taking part. You don't need to be a member of FRA or indeed even a club to take part. It's a great series of races. Very well organised, cheap, tough but fun. Recommended. There's one on at Barbondale on Sunday.
I got a charity place for the Great North Run. Realistic target is sub 2 hours but 1:50 would be better. Anyone else doing it? Target times?
That was the one @MrSparkle, I was over the following weekend (Dad lives in Ulverston).
Not been up to much running that's hugely challenging, though have seen some nice scenery, Mount Keen mostly on bike then dumped it lower down and ran back down from the top, last weekend did a couple hours hiking up from cairngorm ski centre, and also ran the descent back down at sunset, as much as one can run ploughing through knee deep powder with crampons on. Minus 9 plus windchill but great fun
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@bob_summers - I can't remember any FRA race (other than the FRA relays for which you have to be a member of an affiliated club) requiring FRA or club membership. Some may have restrictions on numbers taking part and some of the more serious (i.e. over long and difficult terrain) races require that you have some suitable experience but that's it.
@whitestone nothing serious planned, only 3 months into my running career 😀 , looking at local races with generous time cuts and if I can try any fell races when in the Uk, bonus.
Unexpected although obvs benefit from all this running: I can run! Got to the station on the way home tonight, had left my phone at work. Legged it there and back just in time - at no time in my life could I have done that 😂
Superb pics Mike!
First club track session tonight, ooft! 10 x 700m with 135s recovery. Tough going, but loved it!. 😊
In the run-up to the last XC race of the season on Saturday, I decided to front-load my training this week. 10km recovery Monday morning, same in the evening, 6km recovery Tuesday morning, 19km with 7km above marathon pace on Tuesday evening. 19km steady on Wednesday morning and 24km with 13km tempo Wednesday afternoon puts me on about 90km with 2 days of taking it easy before race day 🙂
Most fell races are phenomenally low key and low faff. Turn up in a car park, pub, village hall or whatever, scribble your details down and hand over a fiver and you’re in. Bigger races are pre entry but again no need to be in the fra or a club. Subs are good value for the calendar and mags though.
Bigger races are pre entry but again no need to be in the fra or a club
A few do, Ben Nevis for example although I think this is a filtering thing rather than anything else.
A shufti on the listings on the Race Calendar of the Fell Runner site should tell you all you need to know.
If anybody in E. Lancs fancies a trot out on Sunday then I'm having a (day time) recce of the course of my night time fell race. Royal Hotel, Tockholes near Darwen at 11.00am. Social trot round and in pub for a beer after. All welcome. (The race is full though)
Lovely run yesterday, malham to the cove up to the top over to the tarn and then down to gordale scar onto weets top then down to airton and pennine way back to malham. Driving wind and rain but loved it and it cleared up in the end.
Grand, I'll join FRA anyway even if it's not really necessary.
Biggest week so far last week (not saying much as I've only been going since Dec) - 65km and some 3600m elevation, all off-road, and knocked around 15mins off my local 15km loop. So firmly in that period where it's pretty much impossible to not keep going faster, under no illusions as to how that plays out!
However, last night my right knee developed a sharp pain, feels like I've whacked it (haven't though), still sore today. I've been carrying a bit of an ankle tweak recently and wonder if I've overloaded the knee when descending to keep the weight off the ankle.
Did last round of winter duathlon yesterday.
Still not over the puffer.
5kph at least down on bike speed. Was taking lots longer than usual to catch people.
Run was a joke between 30-75 seconds per kph down on normal pace.
No power at all. Couldn't get out of z3
Finished down in 24th . Was 8th and 6th in the previous rounds. So ended up 7th over all in series due to many folk missing a round.
Today woken up with my back achey sore again.
Doh.
Never mind that's the last race till April. Back to base for a bit and get more core work going.
I've still been doing runs here & there, but not been able to ramp up much as I'm still getting my IT band knee pain. I had hoped that regular stretching of my hips would sort it out & I'd have resolved it by the New Yr, but if anything it seems to have plateaued & isn't getting any better.
My 'targets' to kick the year off were 30km/month running & 100km/month on the bike.
January, I ended up running almost 49km & so far this month I am up to just over 23km.
I did 10km yesterday & Strava reckons I got a PB of 50:55, which I was quite pleased with & wasn't really expecting - I certainly didn't feel very quick!
I went to see an osteopath about my knee a couple of weeks ago, but I don't think he has solved anything. Lying on the bed thing with a bent knee; you know that thing medical people do when examining knees where they put a hand behind your knee & pull your knee forwards - he immediately noticed that there was no 'play' in my left knee that there is in the right one. The movement should be there, and I can't remember what he said but something was trapped - sacrificial nerve?
He did various manipulations that did free it up - I could really feel the difference afterwards, but don't think this is related to the problems I'm having.
He also spent a bit of time cracking my back this way & that, which felt quite nice but again I wasn't really sure how it was going to help - and it doesn't seem to have.
Bit crap, because I have only ever seen physiotherapists about this issue & I thought that a fresh pair of eyes and a different mindset would perhaps spot something otherwise missed.
Back to stretching for now...my plan was/is to run the Great Eastern Run (1/2 marathon) in October if I can sort my knee out, but at this rate it isn't looking very likely.
On Saturday I did a local Long Distance Walkers Association event, the Anglezarkle Amble. Walkers can do a 16 mile or a 24.5 mile event but runners can do the longer one. The event has been going 45 years and is pretty popular. Anyway, it was a tough day out - 24.5 miles in 4 hours 41 with 3400' of climb. Two feed stations on the route, a meal at the end and a certificate. I think it was £13.00. Really good cheap and cheerful events these if you don't want all the expensive ****ery of trail races.
The day after I lead the recce of my fell race as mentioned above. That was good. Decent turnout and went for a pint after. With running there and back I got another 12 miles and 1900' climb.
I'm a bit tired and sore but quite happy with how it's going. The next event on the calendar is the Haworth Hobble in March. 32 miler. :-0
Watched 'Running for good' on Prime last night, film about Fiona Oakes, what a remarkable lady indeed, well recommended.
What a day for a run today is?! Did 4 miles on the canals over lunch and the conditions were absolutely perfect. Clear sky, still air, sunshine but not to warm, just awesome.
And tomorrow I'm working from home, conditions are meant to be the same and I reckon I can sneak an even longer one it.
went for a run with my buddy at lunch.
followed him along the cliff path. Got to the end.... Which way back to the office then.
Well then ted - you can go 5 k back the way we came or 5 K round this way But the railway line in the middle will stop us going directly back to the office
5k run became nearly 12 - oops
First event of '19 today, hillbilly 10k, fairly happy as I took 3 mins off my '18 time. It was a lovely crisp cold day last year, hard dry ground, this year was grim weather and muddy as ****.
Everyone I spoke to was a fair bit down on last years times, so I suppose in reality I was probably better than 3 minutes up.
Weird weather for February here. Yesterday temps were in the mid 20s and it's forecast to last the rest of the month. Had my first lesson in the importance of carrying water - went for a 2h mountain run and felt thirsty from the off. Halfway round, there's a steep (40% avg, says Strava) 600m scramble up a firecut which ends with am exposed climb up through a gully in the crag at the top. It takes me 20mins as I'm terrified of heights, south-facing, boiling hot, zero shade... felt sure there's a tap at the top as there's a couple of antennas - nothing, and not a soul to ask for water. Ridgeline descent is wonderful but I was struggling to pick my feet up, proper death march back to the village at the bottom.
Good work all as usual - where are you for that kind of heat bob_summers?
On the flip side, I nearly went for a run yesterday then I had a nap instead... hashtag babylife. It's early days yet though, I'll get back into it.
*edit* also - does anyone know anything about New Balance shoes? Sportpursuit have a bunch on offer, with a few in my size but the choice is baffling. I guess I just want something bog standard middle of the road - I currently have (very old) Saucony Jazz, which seem fine. I've had a few pairs of NB for general bumming around which have been grand.
ran 13k on the trails on saturday with my mates 7 month old GSD and 2 year old sprocker - sprocker going mad the whole way and done about 40k and the GSD was quite honestly just walking along....
My third 12-13k run for the week. Happy with how thats coming along. Soon start going back to the metros for more speed sessions I seem to be getting back to the grind after puffer.
New bike came on thursday so picked that up sat afternoon ,
Did my core session in the woods yesterday morning and then jumped on the bike.....
60k and PRs everywhere. Bike is immense
More impressive is that My back is not in bits today like it was last week(after 20k on the bike)
@MrSparkle I ran the Sandstone trail a couple of years ago, great fun and saw very few people other than the occasional honey pot (and car park) along the way. The LDWA seems a good organisation, I am tempted to do a few more. Share your view (I think) of the over inflated "new" trail runs that seem to have sprung up all over. FRA has been doing it for years.
where are you for that kind of heat bob_summers?
San Sebastián - though the weather is far from typical. Feb is generally cold mizzle. The ridge descent of Jaizkibel would be familiar for anyone who's ridden with BasqueMTB.
Ah I've been to Basque MTB, though only for a day. Glorious part of the world! Can't remember where it was we rode, I think it was further inland though.
I’m really enjoying getting some off-road miles in the legs again. My “problem” is that, and I suppose I have this in common with quite a few other urbanites, I need to run 3-4K just to get on a trail. Road shoes are ok but a few runs on the trails and they’re looking and feeling knackered - they were at end-of-life anyway. I’m damned if I’m driving to a trailhead.
So recommendations for something that’ll do for both? I’m aware “hybrid” may mean compromise so will a grippy traily shoe’s soles get knackered that quickly? Is it worth getting a road-2-trail offering?
EDIT: what I’m hoping is that a few people will say, “I’ve got these trail shoes, they’re not hybrids and I run on the road to a trail, and they’ve been fine.” 😀
I have always been a fan of Nike shoes. Some of the newer ones have smooth soles but if you can get ones with the older "waffle" sole they have a full air midsole and they are very good off road. I used to run a lot on some rough stuff as well as fells and they were great unless it got really rocky or off camber when a lower profile helps. Many road shoes with a decent outersole will be fine. I know its bucking the trend a bit not to have the grippiest Inov8's as soon as your off the pavement, sorry about that...
I’m asking an open question. My road shoes are knackered. I’m happy to buy last year’s or two year ago’s model to replace them for pounding the pavements but it’s clear that the trails I have in mind will knacker them a bit sooner than I’d like. Just want something a bit harder wearing and a bit of protection for off-road stuff.
There's usually some being sold off. Try Sportsshoes.com or Pete Bland maybe. But make sure they are ones that you have tried on and feel comfortable in.
In other news, I haven't got much running in this weekend but it was my fell race on Friday night - Mr Sparkle's Dark Un. 5 mile off road route over the hills and moors in Darwen. Biggest turnout yet. Conditions good. Fun was had. Beer was drunk after. Happy days. £££ raised for Bolton Mountain rescue Team and prostate UK.
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Same boat as DD here. I've got some Inov 8 Roclites (I think), fine on the pavement 2kms to and from the trail, cope OK in the thick mud and offer some protection from sticking up rocks. Problem is, they lasted about 10 runs before holes appeared in the upper. There's a printed reinforcement right where my foot flexes and it's torn the material. I'll tape them back up until they die, at least I know what to look out for next time I'm buying...
https://www.sportsshoes.com/product/asi7804/asics-gel~fujitrabuco-6-trail-running-shoes-~-aw18/
These are decent on the road, cracking on everything I've done offroad. Yesterday's race had everything, tarmac, grass, mud, Rocky mud, the works. Quite a few folk on their arses, never so much as slipped.
I'm gonna get another pair for when they die.
I’d seen those Gel Fujitrabucos NoFridge - they look like they’ll do the job. Anyone know what the difference between say, 8 and 8H is on the ASICS Outlet sizing?
I find Asics fairly wide, I'd imagine H will be a bit wider matey.
Arse, struggling to find them in my size...
EDIT: Apparently the H stands for "Half" 😆
I mean, why write 8, 8.5, 9, 9.5 etc when you can confuse people...
That's madness! 😂
8 and 8H
The H would be a width measurement I suspect (with H being pretty wide! So depends if you have wide flippers like me or not DD!
Apparently I was on the wrong page thinking there were no replies to this. D-, must try harder!
Local local worth watching its going to be an entertaining route as you cannot have a non technical route up there.
I'm going to file it under *how much did the lairig ghru race hurt*
You reckon? I thought it was a width thing too - happy to be corrected. The nearest I could find was something from ASICS US saying the H was for Half.
If you look at the size availability on either their main U.K. site or on the outlet site, the listings just go ...7, 7H, 8, 8H, 9, 9H etc. Surely if H was a width measurement, it would include ½ sizes ie 7, 7H, 7.5, 7.5H etc? All the shoe companies do ½ sizes.
From a quick google Asics widths go up to E, not H. https://www.asics.com/es/es-es/shoe-width-guide/
https://www.yellowc.es/es/guia-de-tallas.html says it's a half size as you say DD, but it's not an official Asics page so no idea if it's correct or not.
Back on the treadmill today after a skiing tumble at NY and sore ribs since.
A pleasing 9k without any obvious twinges yet. Hopefully get to 50k in Feb 🏃♂️
Good stuff ots.
Back on the treadmill today after a skiing tumble at NY and sore ribs since.
A pleasing 9k without any obvious twinges yet. Hopefully get to 50k in Feb
Kudos to you if you manage to do 50k on the treadmill, I get bored after 10 😀
Any other n00bs around to reassure me that this constant pain will eventually stop?! Pain's maybe a too strong a word, but I am three months in and there seems to be very little in the way of DOMS, and a lot of uncomfortable niggles - sore ankles, knees, feet, dead legs. Doesn't help being repeatedly told by lazy friends/colleagues "ooh, recipe for disaster, running at your age, you'll get shin splints, etc" has made me hypochondriac! Currently self-diagnosed plantar fasciitis, hurts to put weight on my foot, though it's probably a bruised instep from descending rock gardens on Sunday. On top of not being able to bend my right knee fully, pain at top of calf muscle (from not warming up before climbing according to the physio). Running about 50-65km a week, mainly mountain & hill trails.
I read somewhere it can take a year for the various mechanics to sort themselves out, is that right?
Thanks guys - I stick on the headphones, open the audiobook and then just crank out the ks. It works for me, but I know it's not for everyone. Bizarrely, I can't stand more than 2 mins on a turbo trainer. 🙂
@bob_summers, I can offer no reassurance at all, sorry!
Every runner I know has an almost constant niggle somewhere, sometimes it's a bit worse than niggle but it's always something. I'm currently nursing a sore knee and a sore Achilles. Both stop aching after about a mile of running, both then ache for 24 hours after said run. This is combined with the constant ache of fatigue that comes from a heavy week last week.
A (very good running) physio once said to me that, on a scale of 1-10, if the pain is 5 or below then ignore it, if it's 6 or 7 then slow down and/or drop the mileage a touch, 8+ then stop. This is added to the old adage that if it hurts on 1 leg then it's an injury, if it hurts on both then it's fine.
Doesn’t help being repeatedly told by lazy friends/colleagues “ooh, recipe for disaster, running at your age, you’ll get shin splints, etc”
Aye, there seems to be an awful lot running experts/doom merchants around, they've generally never really done any running.....
I've not been running for a few months due to injury, (previously 2 5ks a week) although kept up biking and football once a week. To start running again, do I need to restart the 10% rule from nothing again to avoid injury?
Somehow I can't imagine Kilian Jornet hobbling around the house struggling to get his trousers on like I am!
This is added to the old adage that if it hurts on 1 leg then it’s an injury, if it hurts on both then it’s fine.
This has kept me going tbh. They don't often hurt simultaneously but it's a couple of days on the right knee, then later the left, which tells me it's just adaptation and not a serious issue
Doesn’t help being repeatedly told by lazy friends/colleagues “ooh, recipe for disaster, running at your age, you’ll get shin splints, etc”
Went to see the Banff film festival (Blue track I think) the other day, there was a guy who was 97 still running, he started at 49! He was amazing, he set the oldest person to complete a mountain race in the US and has been upping the record each year since!
I've watched alot of people transition into running and triathlon in later life. With great success.
Usually they have been good at a different sport in their youth.
Training for sport is training for sport. Be it rowing 1k or running 50k.
Dedication and work ethic doesn't leave you. Plus your pathways are developed - that's the bit that takes real time. Actual muscle development is relatively quick.
I've been watching this thread for a while but haven't added anything due to an ongoing back injury. I think that is now behind me - see what I did there? No, never mind, I'll see myself out 😀
Anyway I am planning on building up my running distances this year, I am a relatively new runner but did manage a few hundred miles in 2016/7 with regular park runs and 2 x shortish lunchtime runs per week with a colleague.
The running was always to build fitness for cycling and keep the weight down but I am going to aim for a half marathon in the autumn and I would like to get off-road and do more trail running.
Biggest ever week just gone of 125 miles - never been close before, but realised that if I keep up my run commute of half-way in and all the way home every day, something on Saturday, and a long run on Sunday, that over 100 miles a week is very easily accomplished. Just need to keep it up regularly for the next 10 weeks until London 🙂
define "easily" 😀
Looks like someone local to me is selling a pair of unworn Speedcross for £30. Woo. It’s a lady (big feet!!) so even if they’re a little bit worn, it’ll feel quite sexy. 😀
Currently have a stinker of a chest infection and am substituting running for cake.
No sniffing now Darcy.....
Great effort TF!
I'm in the 70-80 mpw zone at the moment and I'm feeling OK, but I don't think I'd want to push up towards a ton or beyond.
Happy with the current state of play and I'm dropping time on shorter distances so just hoping I can maintain my form until London and then see how it pans out.
I'm also hoping it's not going to be high temps like last year, although I'm sure that wont bother you given how you performed before 🙂
Turboferret posts are always a mix of inspirational and totally depressing. Amazing work as usual, will be keeping a close eye on your London performance!
Anyway - nice surprise for me today. MiniMonkey was born a couple of weeks ago, and lack of sleep and time due to supporting MrsMonkey breastfeeding has meant I've not been out since before that. Despite a rather sporadic night's sleep (MiniMonkey and I watched Netflix between midnight and 4am as she's kept waking herself up snuffling and snorting in her cot) I had the day off work and a couple of hours free while Mrs and Mini went to a breastfeeding group so I thought I'd knock out a couple of steady miles.
Didn't quite go to plan - I fell asleep for the first hour - but when I woke up I stuck my shoes on and got out there.
It was a bit of a shock to the system - I've been used to running at 6am in the dark, with no one around and temperatures around zero so 1 in the afternoon on an unusually warm February day was a bit different, and I overdressed a little bit. I also had to weave round human traffic, which is a right faff.
I set off with no aims regarding time or pace; it was just nice to be out running, to be honest. I turned off the audio prompts on Strava and just ran by feel. I expected to be well down on my previous pace, but when I looked at my phone at the end I'd run my usual 2 mile loop at a 9:20/mile average, which I think is my fastest yet - it's definitely somewhere up there. It would probably have been a touch faster if I hadn't got stuck behind some lumbering pedestrians and stopped for a brief chat with MrsMonkey near the end.
Most importantly though I have that lovely self satisfied glow that you get after a run, and I'm already figuring out when I can get out again. Now MiniMonkey is starting to sleep a bit at night it should be a bit more doable, with a bit of luck.
No sniffing now Darcy…..
They were her brother’s! ☹️
I’m positively flaccid!
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Not bad for £25, even if they just do as thrashers until the trails get drier. It also says “Racing Product” on them so they’re bound to make me faster.
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Perfect colour for you NoseBridge 😆
And they're red, and everyone knows red ones go faster.
They're ORANGE (Bastards) 🙂
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Wee story Darcy, was out for a run last summer, had my green NB shoes, green prestwick 10k top on, grey shorts n grey socks, Basically looked like Celtic training kit.
Was finishing up at the pub round the corner, before walking home, just in time for mad dog Jonny Adairs mate coming out, he looked he was gonna explode, I laughed. Tosser! 😂
Brilliant! Love that kinda shit. 🙂
Thing is, I was born on Orangeman's Day!
Ooft, nae luck! 😂
First ultra entered! Run the blades 50k, Mrs is doing it too, round the wind farm so won't be the most exciting, but it'll be great doing it together. 😊
Orange you glad they're not yellow!
One of the things I've changed for my London prep this year is doing a lot more slow-paced runs. I've previously dismissed 'recovery runs' as just filler junk and a waste of time, but now I see a benefit to them. I'll happily pop out for couple of 10-15km potters with the HR barely rising as a way of shaking out the legs after a hard session the day before. Some reckon that a really gentle run is actually better than rest, but it has to be gentle otherwise it's counter-productive. The miles are mounting up quite quickly without much strain, but I limit the hard sessions to avoid injury. Not relishing the prospect of this coming Sunday's run - 32km with 19km at marathon pace :O
With regards to the gentle "recovery" runs, I've been getting a couple in by taking on of my dogs. They're a bit stop start and a pretty steady pace of about 4-7 miles depending on how I'm feeling and time available.
I don't think I could have run every day since the end of September if I hadn't eased off for some of my runs. However, I'm not feeling like I've overdone it so I'll keep going and see how things progress.
Oooooff, that sounds like a tough workout, specially at the pace you run marathons 🙂
Well, entered my first race :-S Roll on Sunday...
15km +900m. I ran (walked...) 10k of it today, first climb gains around 450m straight up a tussocky hillside, barely ran any of it. Turns out the 'respite' shown on the profile doesn't exist. Then a mix of open 'fell' and rocky, rooty forest tracks. I wore my Walshes for the mud that's usually up there but it's all dried rock hard, quite a sore experience - aggravating the heel I bruised on Sunday (I hope it's that and not something more sinister).
So I'll try to keep it rested for a couple of days, and try to avoid coming in dead last as I probably deserve!
I’ve previously dismissed ‘recovery runs’ as just filler junk and a waste of time, but now I see a benefit to them
Serious question, why? My old coach used to say 3 sessions a week the rest is "padding" Didnt stop us running 10+ times a week but I am of the view that once running is too slow to add any training effect then it simply increases the risk of injury and burns energy that will be needed for quality stuff. Our runs where never "easy" in the sense we never ran slower than 6:30ish even on long runs.
My old coach used to say 3 sessions a week
Things move on. Modern coaching based on modern scientific evidence rather than anecdotal and outdated science.
Things move on. Modern coaching based on modern scientific evidence rather than anecdotal and outdated science.
I was hoping for some... you know... evidence...
The basics of distance running training haven't moved on since the 50's. There have been cycles but the most effective training is still considered to be based on some kind of repetition running. We all do non interval running because we enjoy it and interval running is intense and painful. There is some benefit to it but a lower speeds the benefits are marginal and as I said above it can be counter productive.
edit: the same "outdated science" has just produced a European U20 Xc team medal.
edit2: also the joint road 5k V40 fastest so far this year (early days of course)
Been getting back into trail running this year and am really enjoying it - so much so that I'm pretty much not touching the bike during the week, by-product of which is that I'm really enjoying the bike at the weekends...and round we go.
First 10k off road yesterday in a while, with 225m of ascent/descent and just snuck in over the hour - it's a local race loop, so something to aim for. Was done at a comfortable pace.
I'm currently using Inov8 Roclites, which seem great for the mixed terrain, especially if it's a bit sloppy. What would the recommendation be for when the trails dry up and get a bit firmer - the semi-slick of trail shoe world.
Sorry if this has been asked before, there's 56 pages to trawl through!
the semi-slick of trail shoe world
Somewhat controversially, for dry-ish off road work I like Nike Pegasus Shield. It's a road shoe but the sole is designed for wet weather work whilst the upper is a bit tougher and is water resistant. I don't use them in the slop but they do work well in the inbetween conditions.
the Asics a couple of pages up were quite well rated.
I use the Trailroc 285 , has 4mm lugs and less protection - conversely I was thinking of replacing them with Roclites as they come up online at 60eur and I know they fit...
What would the recommendation be for when the trails dry up and get a bit firmer – the semi-slick of trail shoe world.
Depends what you're running on - the trails near my house are mostly sandy and fine in road shoes, but head up into the local mountains and you need* something with a rock plate and a bit more traction on scree.
* OK, I'm sure someone will come along and say you only need plimsolls, but personally I like having a bit of protection between the sole of my feet and the stones...