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What's annoying me about this running lark is all the bad pain, as opposed to the good pain I get from ramping up the bike training, heavy legs, throb throb kind of stuff. Running just hurts 😔
15km trail today. Feels like someone has been at my knees and ankles with a hammer. Shuffling around the house carefully as unexpected movement results in more pain!
Done a duathlon today.
Didn't really go to plan.
Ran the first 4.4km in 18.30
Did the windy ride (no matter whats said on here by the neopros 82mm rims are not prime 42mph gusting crosswind material)
Ran the second in 20:05 and hopped across the line with cramp simultaneously in my quad and hamstring on my right leg.....
Finished 19th/140ish over all and 10th in cat. Only lost 4 places against the same field as the previous round which was only 1 run pre cycle.
More work required for the next round in Feb...... Oh wait that's not going to happen it's STOP...... Puffer time 🙂
@nobeer did you do that Arran race last year? Thinking about this summer it looks like it's right up my street. Although the longer one might suit me better the shorter one actually looks like the better race. What do you think?
No, Only really started running properly again last xmas, and tbh only really dabbled up til then, I wouldn't have contemplated such a race last summer!. The big route looks a proper tough proposition, I don't think I'd handle that distance/height gain, and I've never done a hill race before, so don't want to be too stupid!.
Their numbers were pretty poor last year, but they've done a much better job of publicising it this time around, not sure how much space is left. If it's a decent enough day, I don't think you'll get a better view at any race, up there with Glencoe skyline (better in my mind, but I'm a tad biased!)...
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I’ve been watching the Spine Race social media updates on and off today and yesterday, some seriously impressive ultra running going on there. Lad from my club was doing the challenger at 108 miles. Can’t begin what it takes to run 30 or more hours without really stopping. I’ll buy him a pint next time I see him.
Bloke who won the Challenger smashed out sub 13min miles for 23hrs. On the Pennine Way. In high winds. Mega.
Pack just went through Hebden. I was going to go up on the Pike to see them come over but dug into a bottle of christmas whisky instead.
Some mates did the Trigger race today. 24 miles over some of same ground as the Spine. Conditions were ‘interesting’ by sounds of it. Waterfall blowing uphill. Meanwhile I did this, working towards a ‘project’.
https://www.relive.cc/view/2075945467
Did my first race where I've got actually raced in about 2 years today. Templenewsam 10 in Leeds.
I grew up there, so it was great to go back to where I used to come 2nd to last is school xc.
Course is down and flat for 6 1/2 miles then has about 800ft of climb in the last 3 1/2. I ran within myself at around 8 min miles for the first 6 1/2. Then ran the last 3 1/2 as a really hilly parkrun. Again it ended up with about 8 min miles. I overtook loads of people on the climbs which was great given i was about 3 stone heavier than them. There was a short sharp climb about 400 yards from the end, which I ran too hard a threw up as I got to the top, thats never happened before. I was 190 out of 800 at 1h.21mins, miles better than my school xc. I'll take that given I'm only 10 weeks back into trying to run faster and still miles over my planned racing weight.
York Brass Monkey yesterday.
I've done this race the last 2 years and got a pb each time so I was hopeful of keeping that going, but also with an eye on a sub 1:15 as I'd done a pb just at the end of November on a much hillier course (York is flat and fast).
It was quite windy yesterday so I tempered my chances of a pb and instead thought about doing a solid hard run and see what came.
I had a slight tinge of disappointment at the end, even though I'd pb'd again, as I was 9 seconds outside my target. However, the conditions were not ideal so I reckon on another day (not so windy) I might have hit target.
Still, it gets my racing off to a great start for 2019 - main aim is London, so a whole heap of training/racing before then.
Well done to all those out racing and training this weekend, top work.
Aye top job all this weekend, some pretty amazing results and runs going on.
I've some shin pain (and an early start at work) this morning so I'm having a day off. I'm not entirely sure the shin pain is running related, it feels more like I've walked into something hard (which I don't remember doing, but it still could have happened) and is only on one side, so I'll see how I feel tomorrow before heading out again.
Cheers for the Marcothon info @Nobeerinthefridge - I probably should just have googled it, but much appreciated!
This crossed my screen today, not sure if you guys have seen it before (if so apologies) but I thought this sounds amazing.
Big's Backyard Ultra. 4.2mile course give or take, you do a lap every hour. No-one's leading, everyone is first equal as long as you finish your lap and present on the hour to go again. As people drop out, the field gets smaller until the last one standing wins. As long as they do that last lap.
Great video here; I particularly like that after best part of three days running, when there's only a few left - you know that to win and for the suffering to stop, the others have to fail and drop out, but because you've been through so much with them the last thing you want (well, maybe not last) is for them to fail and drop out.
Since my question on here about losing weight and the impact it has on speed, I wanted to thank you guys for the advice. I've lost close to 4kg since late November. I'm doing RED January (run or ride each day of the month) and despite heavy legs on Saturday, I PB'd at Parkrun by 20 seconds and didn't feel like I was on a good run at to be honest. I've got a Duathlon planned for March and Great North Run for September so more to progress to come, hopefully.
3rd round of the Surrey League Cross-Country on Saturday. Haven't been particularly delighted with my last few XC outings, so wanted to make amends - sat on the shoulder of a very fast guy for 2 1/2 laps until I couldn't go with him on a hill, but came in for 15th, 4th man home for our club which I was pretty pleased with. It's a ridiculously competitive league, with Alex Yee running some of the races, and other professional runners, so finishing well down the order is par for the course. I know I ran well because I couldn't stand up for about 5 minutes after, and left a healthy portion of lunch on the ground too 😀
In order to keep marathon training from interfering too much with family commitments, I got my longish run in before the rest of the household was awake on Sunday, out at 5am for 28km. My 10k recovery run this morning didn't go exactly to plan as trains were all messed up, so instead of running halfway to work it was actually all the way, might be the same tonight too...
4th round of the Three Counties cross-country at Ampthill yesterday for me - relentlessly up and down the same hill - 2 of us on our team saw our breakfast again. Nice selections of rolls though afterwards 😉
Hedgehope "half" yesterday....they added on just shy of an extra 3 miles to the route which was over to the next hill as running into 75kmp gusts wasn't enough. Trackless ankle deep heather with peat hags thrown in,and did I mention the old wire from a fence intertwined with all of that? Ankle went at mile 12 which was just the tin lid on the whole sorry escapade. Some days ..grr...
Loving the early morning at the moment, an early train to work, a good run, then showered and at my desk by 8am is perfect. 4 miles done, the sunrise of Birmingham was lovely and made the 6am alarm worthwhile.
Fairly low key weekend, did 10 or so slow miles Saturday around some volunteering at Parkrun. Having given blood earlier in the week they felt much harder than they should have.
Will try and run home this week too, 12.5 fairly lumpy miles at 6pm after a days work is always harder than it should be, it's a bit of a test of fitness, if it's comfortable then I know I'm on track, if it's not I know I need to work harder!
The amazing Jasmin Paris is one of the 3 leaders of the Spine Race at the moment. I wouldn't bet against her being the outright winner. Incredible performance.
Top work fellas...
Entered first event of '19 this morning, Hillbilly 10k around the grounds of Craigengillan estate (well named, as Dalmellington is proper bandit country!). I did this last year, had only been running for 2 or 3 months, so should be a decent improvement this year, and I know where the climbs are too, as I felt I held back a bit last year.
Alloa half, Run the blades half on the cards too, and some local 5k races. And I need to get some hill training in too, I'm actually (strangely!) looking forward to that!.
I did the tnt10 too I took it fairly steady as I'm still sorting my Achilles out did 1.27 happy with that and it was my first week of two runs in a week for over a month so I'm defo on the mend. Did 12 miles on Thurs and race on sun but I did treat it as a training run.
Any advice for a simple to understand some simple aspects of training? Someone earlier mentioned a lack of speed work etc. I'm relatively new into running and tend to just go out and run. I mix it up distance and terrain wise, but tend to just run at my own pace and don't do anything like intervals etc.
I try to do one 'tempo' run a week, not quite PB pace, but up there. I have dabbled in intervals, but I need to get my finger out with those, that's what I mean by speed work. Some others who know lots more/are better runners than me will be along in a minute!.
All I can say is I have a couple of hills I will absolutely blast at until I cough my lungs up - usually just 100m distance at a time. I do the same on some nice days around a couple of trees here - I sprint between them, then wander back, repeat like 8-10 times. It hurts. Hurts deep. But running on the flat feels easy a week later...!
Other than that, like you I try to do 5-8k on a normal run and a longer one at a weekend upto 10k. Longer than that I get bored and my hip and knee hurts.
For the first time in quite a while, I've managed 4 weeks of run training without suffering from a niggly injury - simply down to knocking-back my pace by about 10secs/km. Ran 20 miles offroad yesterday in 2hr42 which is 5:05min/km average which is not bad at the end of a 48 mile week. 4 mile recovery run today and little after-effects. Seriously contemplating a 50km at the end of March - I last ran a marathon in 1992 - celebrating my 54th birthday tomorrow.
@nobeer
After a bit of humming and hawing I've entered the Arran Ultra. Looks like a good route. See you there maybe?!
Absolutely mate, it'll be good to put a name to a face Spin. 👌🏻
Speed work, hill work, intervals.
Put in simple terms they all fall into similar bracket of repeatable efforts.
You choose the effort, distance and duration, so it might be for speed work, 400m as fast as you can 10 times, with a 30 second rest in between, this could also be seen as intervals.
For hills, perhaps pick a hill and do 10 repeatable efforts up the hill, jog back down (recovery) and repeat.
There are infinite different ways you can do this, so choose what suits you and your location of training.
Once you have an understanding you can perhaps then focus on specifics for a specific goal, such as the distance, number of repeats effort etc.
The other way to do is going for a run and then putting specific efforts in, i.e. between lamp posts, hard effort then easy effort for a mile, or maybe do a hilly route and put the effort in on the hills and recover on the downs and steady running on the flats.
What works for one doesn't always work for another so perhaps try a few scenarios and see which you feel suits you best. Good luck...
Aspects of running training are simple. You could write them on them back of a stamp. Once you start getting good you need to pay more attention but you get rapid benefits from building mileage up to circa 40-50 mpw, incorporate a longer run and then start adding sessions as per Alanf's post. The specifics arent that important until you start getting competitive then you should be doing some type of interval work and thats where you get most bang per buck. My mate (who is now a top coach) used to say "the rest is padding"
you should be doing some type of interval work and thats where you get most bang per buck.
I'd also add in a tempo run as being good VFM. Perhaps not quite as good as intervals, but still worth including.
*Tempo is a shorter continuous run at just below race pace, as opposed to intervals which are above race pace with recovery periods in between.
As a basic plan I'd be looking at one or two interval sessions (or hill repeats, or a fartlek), one tempo run, and a long run.
In the real world, what is fartlek, I've read too many different ideas on what people do?
Fast and slow, bit like intervals but with changing distances, speeds and recoveries. Run to the next corner (400m) jog (dont stop) for a bit, run 800m, jog 200, run 1 mile, jog 400 etc. Needs to be hard work though.
Aye, that's why I've never bothered, I'd lose the motivation!
Aye, that’s why I’ve never bothered, I’d lose the motivation!
It's quite hard to keep the speed up, intervals are usually easier to stick to (though no easier on the legs or lungs!) as you have a clear plan before starting. If you're out on a trail or somewhere with a bit more mixed terrain though you can just do something similar using time - run 1 min hard / 30 sec slow, the hard bits will sometimes coincide with a hill, maybe next time it's flat, etc.
Whatever you do don't forget to warm up properly first!
Cheers folks - bit of food for thought.
It's been a week since my I pulled something in my right calf. The discomfort was gone after 2 or 3 days, however it is still slightly swollen-
Is it safe to go for a run out should I wait for the swelling to go down completely?
Got me first race in ages on Sunday. The Fassfern Faff over near Fort William. Wasn't planning on doing any races prior to my Ramsay Round attempt but I've got so bored knocking my pan in on my own in the hills that I thought something shorter, faster and sociabler might be just the ticket!
Also got my first race on Sunday, a fairly easy 25K trail race local to me. No big hills, so it's going to be a fast one. Not me you understand, the winners 🙂
Will we be able to track you on yer Ramsay, Spin?.
My 2018 plans all fell through.
However new year new start and a lical park run to motivate me!
I also bought new trainers... Off piste with a pair of decathlon jobs i've slowly been going thinner soles over the last few years and feel a difference.
First ever proper training plan started yesterday for me with an easy 7k jog, fartleks tomorrow.
Plan is 2 x 8 week blocks running 3 times a week - first block for a 10k in March then second for a 1/2 marathon in May.
I hadn't planned on using a tracker but I'll let you know how I get on!
Would be ace to keep an eye on your progress, but I'm sure you have enough to worry about! When's the planned start?
Had a couple of days off Monday / Tuesday 'cos I was knackered - not particularly run tired, just the extra hour in bed felt like it made a big difference. Yeah, I'm that rock and roll. Considered a half five start and longer run this morning, but settled on a 6am start and 2 miles.
I've been thinking for a while that I'm dues a 'disappointing' run and this was sort of it - it's the first time since I've started that I've not knocked time off on a similar run, even if it was only by 3s/mile. Last time I did this loop (though admittedly the opposite way around) my average was 9:29/mile, today was 9:32/mile. And the previous time was a windy day, and the day after a longer run. But on the other side I wasn't up so early, so was probably a bit more awake.
Some positives to be taken anyway - the drop off isn't massive (and could probably be down to tracking error, but then that could also go in the opposite direction) and my speed was fairly constant (each mile was within a couple of seconds) which is good.
That said interestingly I used the audio cues to give me half mile updates, and the first half mile was pretty slow (while I warmed up I guess), but averaged out by the second half, whilst for the final mile I seemed to find my pace and run fairly consistently. I guess longer warm up times would be beneficial, but that would mean getting out of bed tomorrow.
Planning the same (or maybe longer) tomorrow morning, so it'll be interesting to see how that goes.
FMC, a few things I've discovered.
- rest is as beneficial as running
- running early isn't easy for everyone, hydration and fuelling frexample
- you won't get quicker all the time, no one does
- no one runs the same speed for every mile, try progressive runs, I love them, start slowly and aim to get quicker splits for each mile. Means you finish stronger, and it's a far better feeling than finishing blowing oot yer arse.
Cheers @Nobeer, I like the sound of progressive runs, especially when I have time to get out for a bit longer.
I generally like running early I think, and it's pretty much the only time I can squeeze it in at the moment (and is likely to remain that way) but it's definitely something to bear in mind. I think I'd struggle being out more than an hour without having something to eat beforehand.
I also knew at some point I'd have a run that wasn't an 'improvement', I figured it was coming soon.
Plus I'm not training for anything other than to get a bit fitter and lose a bit of weight, so actually the times don't really matter (they totally do).
Progressive runs are awesome, they work really well for helping pace runs as natural instinct is to go hard to begin with and fade, these temper that.
I'm really back on it this year, did 12 miles home from work last night, wanted to do 9 minute miles and hit 8:54 overall which I'll take every day of the week. Got Worcester marathon in May (after swearing I'd never do a marathon again...) and really want to train properly for it and get a PB. If I can keep up at 30 mile+ weeks and ramp things up then I've got a fighting chance of getting there.
Mrs Lunge is training for Edinburgh the week after and is following a fairly low mileage plan, I've decided to go the opposite direction and go big, we'll see who gets it right in May!
spines going off.
http://live.thespinerace.com/?fbclid=IwAR1DNmXlj32WosEO12D68tWeH2p-E6ajP8gpqhuzIooke37icD5oneOEmig
pre race blog entries quite interesting.
When’s the planned start?
Any weekend from the last one in January to the last one in February depending on the weather / conditions. Most likely starting at about 5pm and going clockwise.
Have been having some on and off shin splinty pain for a few weeks now so went for a sports massage yesterday. The upshot is that my calves are incredibly tight as are the adductors on my left thigh too. Have been advised no running for a week with daily calf and hip stretches and then go for a short gentle run and see how things are.
A bed of my own making for sure as over the last couple of months my running has been rather scattergun in its approach and my warm ups and cool downs had gone fully out of the window too. So back to the Good Habits Hotel for me with a nice gentle 15 minute yoga this morning and have another planned for tonight.
Due to go back in a fortnight to see how I'm getting on and meet with the physio for some targeted work. Lost about 3 months last year due to stupid niggles so determined to get this straightened out.
I never stretch, and only ever warm up if I'm going for a time 🙂
That is some challenge Spin, I met a guy doing it a few years ago on Anoach Mor and he looked like he was just back from the 'Nam.
Well that didn't go according to plan. I bailed on the Spine about 40 miles in. Pretty depressed at the moment and can see it taking a while and lots of hard work to get the motivation & confidence back again.
That is some challenge Spin, I met a guy doing it a few years ago on Anoach Mor and he looked like he was just back from the ‘Nam.
I should be looking OK at Aonach Mor but then I'll only be a few hours in at that point! I've already done it in the summer so we'll see how the winter version goes.
spines going off.
Understatement suits you well Sir!
For those that haven't been watching, Jasmin Paris is about to win the Spine Race outright, and it looks like she'll be setting a new course record as well. An outstanding run against some very strong competition.
Slow and steady going well did 17.5 miles at 9.38mm pace off-road and no niggles despite me doing three runs this last week when I've been on one only for a month or so. Achilles still feels ok too so after 40 miles this week I'm very happy with that
Chin up Marcus!.
Jasmin Paris - well she did it. Redefine your 'awesome'. https://www.ukclimbing.com/news/2019/01/jasmin_paris_wins_montane_spine_race-71824
Incredible doesn't quite do her justice.
^ This.
Well my induction into trail running continues to suck. Seems to be one good run at the weekend then all week hobbling on swollen ankles, sore knees, blistered toes... did two 7km 'runs' this week, mostly walking and gingerly stepping over roots and rocks to avoid aggravating the ankles more. Day off today, left achilles is stiff, swollen and clicking loudly. Would happily get back on the bike at this point but I signed up for this at the end of March, time-cuts run at just under 15min/mile at KM8, 16 and 24, which I can do over 15km but I've never run further than that. Uncharted waters...

Have been having some on and off shin splinty pain
Suffered as a junior and ended up with stress fractures. You cant run through this one!!! Massage, Ice and NSAID's will help then restart once the pain has disappeared. It is hugely frustrating and usually a result of doing too much before your legs have adjusted. Stretch if you want but I wouldnt bother but I would warm up before training which I normally do by simply starting slow then getting faster, use the first few mins as a warm up.
Cheers Nobeer.
Ooft, what a difference 5 days makes. I was pissed off on Saturday at parkrun, felt slow, lethargic, just shit.
Popped out for a tempo 5k tonight and was within 9 secs of a PB. Quite happy with that, given the time of year.
Signed up for a hill race today, just a wee local one, 5k all in, up to 1200ft and back over ankle breaking tussocks, Heather and bogs. Guid.
Signed up for a hill race today, just a wee local one
What's that then?
😂
Kaim hill race, a very small affair, but has been graced by such legends as Mudge and Diamantides.
Cool.
@surfer: That's where I am now, rest, ice and Ibuprofen. Its kinda like sex and drugs and rock and roll only not lol
Went out for a walk yesterday which was ok and seem to be have had a good response to the massage. 15 minutes of yoga this morning concentrating on legs and back and the same again before bed tonight. The plan is to keep that up over the next few days and see how they are feeling next Tuesday. All being well I can ease out a gentle little 2k round the block and build back from there.
I have a [air of compression calf sleeves on the way,a gait analysis arranged for next week and the promise of a new pair of shoes. Just needed to see how much money the car is going to cost to get through its MOT and see what I have left to play with #studentnursewage 🙁
Oof.
Not the best morning. Got up early this morning with a vague plan of doing four miles before work, and maybe doing half mile intervals(ish) - steady half mile warm up, then push for half a mile, then steady etc.
Nah.
Sat on the spare bed half awake pulling my socks on I felt something ping in my lower back. Now I used to suffer a lot from lower back problems (once got an ambulance ride from the student union bar to hospital!) but after lots of stretching, strengthening and generally getting fitter I've not had any major problems (apart from the odd soreness after a long ride or drive) for a good few years. This didn't feel like a huge twinge, but it didn't feel inconsequential either. I considered shuffling back to bed and crying for a bit, but then I thought actually a bit of movement is probably better than just lying still, so I had a bit of a potter around the house.
I could definitely feel that something wasn't right, but as long as I didn't twist too much it wasn't too bad. So I thought what the hell, I'll go out anyway. Worst that happens I walk a bit then come home.
So I walked up and down the road (I usually do this as a bit of a warm up anyway) and things weren't feeling too bad. The next step was to run a couple of hundred metres - and as long as I kept it REALLY steady, everything felt pretty much fine. As soon as I tried to up the pace either I was twisting more or the higher step / landing gave me a nasty twinge, so I just kept it really steady (annoyingly so if I'm being honest) and headed off around the block.
At the point where I can choose whether to turn off for a two mile lap or keep going for three or four I was feeling fine, so I kept on going. I already knew by this point that I was WAY off the pace that I'd been planning on aiming for (Strava helpfully told me, but to be honest it wasn't like I couldn't tell) but I knew that was going to be the case and I figured getting some very slow miles in was better than doing nothing at all.
So in the end I managed just under four miles with an average 11:01/mile, which was pretty much the same throughout the run. I'm currently sat very upright thinking that maybe biking on Sunday might not be the best idea, but I don't think I've done any more damage by getting out for a plod, and I'm pleased to have put a few miles in.
Dont do what I did and try to run through the pain (only a real idiot would do that) I hit peak pain when I ran a 5 miler which had a very steep downhill last few hundred metres and the pain was excruciating. It was the old Haigh Hall course and my mate ran 22:17 (yes you read that right!) I was 3 mins behind him and went to A&E the next day who put me in plaster....
Thought you might like to know my weekly Thursday run with a mate has swelled into a group of five of us over the past couple of months:). Social running is great - particularly as I can now talk whilst running at a decent pace.
Superb slowpuncheur, I enjoy a group run, the miles fly past a lot easier when there's a bit of craic!.
a few noob questions for the experienced runners:
- I do most of my training on a disused railway where the surface is firm mud and crushed stone. Will this cause any issues when I come to do races on concrete/ tarmac? Will my pace be quicker on harder surfaces? Will it hurt more? Would it help to vary my route?
Ta.
You'll be slightly quicker on tarmac, can't see it causing you any issues, ie injuries, it would help if you vary your route, as disused railway lines don't generally have hills. Hills are good. 😊
ok, cool.
the route I use is 2.5km long with a very steady gradient (as you'd imagine) of 2%. I go back and forth on it.
it's a bit muddy at the moment. but I live in the city so it's much better than running the streets and a bit more exciting than the parks.
@surfer Slow and steady is certainly the order of the day. Want to get this sorted once and for all and start to run pain free. I know its a mess of my own making so plenty of rest and getting back into good habits again. Was due to do a Richmond Park 10k on Saturday but have given that a swerve as I was feeling tender after again by the end of my 6k walk this afternoon.
I have entered the Tough Runner half marathon at Afan in July so plenty of time to get straight and sorted for that 🙂
Good race today, 25km trail race fairly local to me - it was a bit tougher than expected, only 600m of climbing in total but all short sharp climbs with little opportunity to recover. Still, all good fun and the second half in particular was very enjoyable with some fun descents and some very picturesque trails.
I done the Buff winter trails (half) event yesterday at Coed Y Brenin.
My third go at it, and I love it. 2:43 and generally never seem to get much faster.
Still... I see it as a training run- doing my first Ultra this year - Lakeland Trails 55k in June so just getting miles in now .
Good stuff Si!
Ended up doing half of my 10k on Hampstead Heath today - man it's hillier than I remember! Was supposed to be relatively easy today, but my calves were burning. Really plodded up the hills to keep HR down.
Also ordered some new shoes as I don't think my £30 New Balance jobbies are going to cut it.
Having completed a couple of events recently, I wanted something healthy and nutritious to eat afterwards that wasn't going to undo my physical efforts. I've made the below and thought I would share. It is very tasty and I think ticks the healthy box even if a little calorific. I would be interested to hear what others have post event to see you through until meal time. Really quick and easy to make.
Walnut and banana bread.
Oil for greasing
2 ripe bananas
3 eggs
110g almond flour
1 and half tablespoons honey
70g walnuts roughly chopped
Preheat oven to 200c
Mash the bananas in a bowl with a fork
In another bowl whisk the eggs, add the flour and honey. Stir in walnuts and banana.
Put into 20x12.5cm loaf tin.
Bake for twenty minutes.
Remove, allow to cool and turn onto wire rack.
Nice with your favourite jam and brew after dinner too.
Sounds nice, though I crave savoury food post events tbh.
