[Closed] The Living in Britain Test.

Dolly the Sheep?

Yes that was indeed the first mammal that was cloned successfully.

It was more that the first statement is correct, but the second statement isn't - so which is the correct answer?

I can't see what the problem is.

Ahh, but the second statement is below it so the answer is false 🙂

just means that either a True or False answer can be passed or failed, depending on who is marking the test

Somebody needs their P45...

Not if the policy is to reduce the number of people coming to live in Britain.

Erm..

Dolly [b]was not the first animal to be cloned[/b], she gained this attention in the media because she was the first to be cloned from an adult cell.

-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_%28sheep%29

So.. False.. probably.

not sure what bearing this would have anyway, apart the ability to know or google the answer to a random question , what about , do you have a job and what contribution do you feel you could make to society ?

I fail all three do you want to live in Britain questions . When do you put your bins out? No idea. The cloning mammals one above and do you want to live in a country that rounds up dusky people and ships them off in police vans if they do not happen to be carrying documentary proof of their right to be here? I never carry documentary proof of my right to be here but fall outside of the group of suspects as like many illegals I am pale pink.

Is a Tablet

1. A device for surfing the Internet
2. Something Moses used
3. An edible diabetic-inducing sweet

Pick one.

That really is a daft question. Google suggests that the correct answer is false- the first reliable account of a cloned mammal was either in the US or UK (2 declared success at about the same time, calculus style) but neither was a rabbit, one was a cow and one was a sheep.

Is this the test you get a booklet to revise from? So the correct answer is whatever is in the booklet.

[i]Is this the test you get a booklet to revise from? So the correct answer is whatever is in the booklet. [/i]

This.

A few years ago an American that worked for me was sitting the test and I forget the exact question but it was about migration into the UK in the late 19th century - and the answer was Poland.

Poland didn't exist at that time, but it was the answer in the book...

Ah so it's [i]really[/i] testing that you'll accept whatever the UK goverment tell you is "the truth"?

Cunning.

To be fair not knowing the history of another European country is terribly British.

In the same way as knowing a foreign language is rather un-british.

I presume that they have the test in the various British languages including Welsh and Gaelic?

I hope they have it in Doric.

its false let me rephrase
is this true or false.

The americans put the first man on the moon. That man was Hulk Hogan

I hope they have it in Doric.

Middle Welsh for me... the Mabinogion rocks!

wow I don't have a solution to that problem. Although I will observe STW as much as possible 😀

glupton1976 - Member

I hope they have it in Doric.

As far as I can tell Doric is just english spoken by drunks?

And how British is that ?

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My wife HAD to take the test ,she failed the test 3 times and was 2 weeks away from having her visa expire and face deportation from the UK. This put tremendous strain on both of us ,our work and friends and family.We found a not too legal loop hole and got indefinite leave to remain .The Life in the UK test is really ,really irrelevant and difficult.i took the mock test 7 times and failed 7 times. Example - what or who is Hansard? now no cheating . I agree that immigration needs to be in check , but what if whilst travelling on a year out you fall in love and wish to live you life with your loved one in YOUR home country but the government makes it very hard ?? Its very complicated this subject and there are so many different situations .I found a white man working for 25 years has to pay over £6000 pound to live with his Asian wife in HIS own country .I had correspondence from the House of commons , but they are no help. It was a nightmare - All good now as we got Indefinite leave to remain and next year we are going to spend our savings living in the wife's country as they welcome me and actually place hard working foreign nationals in high esteem ,not as a problem !

I had to do the test a few years ago (yes I am one of those bloody foreigners). I didn't bother to "learn" for the test, taking advice from others I simply got the model questions and answers book and learnt the relevant sections by rote. It took me about five minutes to write the test and I got 100%.

I totally failed to see the relevance of the test. As far as I can tell it simply tests your ability to memorise a few random and irrelevant facts. How that makes me or anyone else a suitable citizen is beyond me.

trevron73 - sorry Mate, but is that English?

trevron73 - sorry Mate, but is that English?

It seems like English to me. I take it English isn't your native language ?

I found a white man

Relevance of skin colour is what exactly...?

To be fair he made a point about his wife being Asian in the same sentence, but you didn't ask the relevance of that.

clanton - Member
I totally failed to see the relevance of the test. As far as I can tell it simply tests your ability to memorise a few random and irrelevant facts. How that makes me or anyone else a suitable citizen is beyond me.

It's there to placate the swivel-eyed faction of the Tory party:
They tend to believe all immigrants should have a compulsory tattoo of Winston Churchill on their arse, be able recite the complete works of Shakespeare and know the batting averages of every single England test player efore they're allowed to be sneered at by Brummies for having a silly accent.

No other reason.

ernie_lynch - Member
To be fair he made a point about his wife being Asian in the same sentence, but you didn't ask the relevance of that.

That's not relevant either. Skin colour and immigration are not related at all.

And I make both my points being myself of mixed parentage from Asian and white European English parents, which also has no relevance!

That's not relevant either

So why didn't you ask him ? He made the point in the same sentence.

Have you an issue with someone being referred to as white but not Asian ?

ernie_lynch - Member
So why didn't you ask him ?

That's us what I did Ernie. However I didn't see the necessity of making an identical point twice. So just for you and to avoid more of your somewhat obvious obtuseness... The cultural background and skin colour of a). the British citizen and; b). His wife who wishes to stay are totally irrelevant to his point.

Maybe that's clearer to you now?

Edited to remove typo

Well it would have been clearer if you had asked what is the relevance of you being white and your wife being Asian. Instead of just asking what is the relevance of being white.

I get the impression that you have an issue with someone being referred to as white but not if they are referred to as asian.

I agree with you though, the reference to race seems pointless. I just don't think there was anything sinister about it. Perhaps he was just trying to point out that whilst his wife was Asian he wasn't ?

I didn't think it was sinister - just a little curious and our of place...

I get the impression that you have an issue with someone being referred to as white but not if they are referred to as asian.

Nope

It's there to placate the swivel-eyed faction of the Tory party:
They tend to believe all immigrants should have a compulsory tattoo of Winston Churchill on their arse, be able recite the complete works of Shakespeare and know the batting averages of every single England test player efore they're allowed to be sneered at by Brummies for having a silly accent.
No other reason.

This.

It's there to placate the swivel-eyed faction of the Tory party:

Aha.

Immigration is a threat to swiveleyesation.

🙂

Cougar - Moderator

Immigration is a threat to swiveleyesation.

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Thing is... Anyone who's dealt with any part of UK immigration policy knows how it works. Everything is designed just to throw random obstructions and difficulties in people's way. Not relevant or useful obstructions, though.

Frinstance, student visas- every year, it takes longer and costs more to get a student visa, more conditions are placed on them, more are rejected purely on technicalities. It's a policy decision to make the process bloody awkward, just to arbitrarily reduce the number of successful applicants. Want to change from a student visitor to a student tier 4 visa (ie, you came to the UK to study a course lower than degree level, and now want to study a degree)? Leave the country, apply in your home country, then come back. No reason at all for this other than to make it expensive and difficult. And that's just students- an uncomplicated cash cow for UK universities with very few drawbacks.

(and it's absolutely bloody stupid, because students almost all leave after their years are up- so decreasing numbers doesn't reduce net immigration at all, it just gives a false decrease today which will be offset in a few years by a reduction in people leaving. Though I guess they're planning on not being in power then so they can go "Labour is increasing teh immigrationz!1!!"

So, it's not surprising to find that the hoops put in the place of applicants aren't just difficult, but completely bloody stupid- the job isn't to sift immigrants into "good immigrants" and "bad immigrants", it's just to deter x % of immigrants at random without a care which ones it is. Might as well roll a dice, it'd be more honest.

Evening guys . The relevance was i'm white my wife is a foreign lady who wishes to live with her husband but as she is not European had to pay £6000 pounds to do so ? My government did not welcome my wife and we jumped through hoops (and still do) .It is a horrible affair this immigration.I had the same views as most about illegal immigrants until i fell in love with a girl from far away and she was treated as second class and treat as though she was not worthy to be here . I am also sorry my grammer was not up to the usual standards of STW but i am only a Chef ?;)
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I am also sorry my grammer was not up to the usual standards of STW but i am only a Chef ?;)

I understood perfectly what you were saying, I don't know why b r appeared to have a problem.

Sorry to hear btw that you've been messed about by laws which too often are brutal at the expense of human compassion. An open door policy for Europeans with no connection whatsoever to the UK, but heavy restrictions on the spouses of British citizens. Madness imo.

Thanks Ernie , open door is not the answer ,but neither are irrelevant exams and stupid sums of money. Glad it all worked out -we are stronger than the house of commons? Roll on next year when we move over and i retire. At least the life in the UK test has now been scrapped as a means of suitability .Heaven knows what they will come up with . Still no answer on the Hansard question ???? come on guys ?? whats the view ??

hansard is the written record kept by the UK parliament of debates- No google required

Trevron73. What I meant is that you have my sympathy regardless of your colour or your wife's. The immigration process is not clear enough,straightforward enough or operated properly. As a result it takes too long and often leads to the wrong decisions being made.

Forget how you write - it doesn't matter.

J

Still no answer on the Hansard question ????

To be fair I knew that one too, but I agree with your general point about irrelevant questions so didn't bother trying to contradict you.

They tend to believe all immigrants should have a compulsory tattoo of Winston Churchill on their arse,

Sometimes smoking a cigar?

I think I get what trevron is saying. As a white man married to a white American I had to go through the distress of getting her a visa against a sea of changing laws, systematic bigotry on the part of the state, mixed messages from the law and enormous fees.

I get people asking me all the time why we had to go through all that. They all say "but you're married, isn't it automatic". When they are told that it isn't many of them justify it by saying that there must be a way to stop people from Asia or Africa marrying and bringing in whoever they like, implying it should be automatic for white British people. A lot of both lower and middle class British people say this to me, and it's exactly why the system is how it is - the government knows that the swivel eyed loons are a big vote and to secure it they must be seen to be doing something to keep people with coloured skin out of the country.

(fortunately I know what Hansard is too, but I dread to think what questions will be in when we get to the test)

there is also the strange rule that an EU national can bring their [none EU] spouses here but a UK national cannot not
Forget what it is called but some UK nationals and spouses are just going to other EU countries for a period and then returning home and claiming the same rights

Odd as I assumed your spouse just automatically could stay here with you. I assume the marriage of convenience will be a factor but I assume it is a tiny % of all marriages

Seems odd your kids can but not your spouse.

A lot of both lower and middle class British people say this to me, and it's exactly why the system is how it is - the government knows that the swivel eyed loons are a big vote and to secure it they must be seen to be doing something to keep people with coloured skin out of the country.

"Lower and middle class". FFS. What are you from the 1800's or something?

And I make both my points being myself

Poland didn't exist at that time, but it was the answer in the book...

Poland has existed for many hundreds of years, but it hasnt' always been a sovereign state. It had an empire once too.

And I know what Hansard is 🙂

"Lower and middle class". FFS. What are you from the 1800's or something?

Because of course we all now live in a classless society - a bus driver living in rented housing association property is in the same social class as an Eton educated banker living in Chipping Norton.

We're all in it together.

FFS indeed.

The classless society idea isn't meant to imply that we all end up with the same socio-economic profile or background. It means that we aren't constrained to any particular class by our birth. Which is why people can be middle class without being rich. That never used to be the case.

Of course we aren't there yet, if we ever will be, because attitudes are strongly inherited (and I don't mean genetically). However there are bankers, politicians and rich lawyers and so on whose parents worked in factories or shops. This is a good thing and shows that class definitions are not what they once were.

No molgrips, that's your own personal definition to suit your own personal agenda.

[u]Irrespective of whether social mobility is now greater than it once was[/u], we live in a society in which people belong to different social classes.

There are of course plenty of people, invariably the "winners" in our class based society (and the hopelessly gullible and naive) who would rather pretend that there are now no longer any class distinctions.

You wouldn't expect the likes of David Cameron to openly admit that the British class system is still very much a reality. Specially when he comes out with the "we're all in this together" obvious bollocks.

To suggest that class distinctions were abolished 200 years ago, as a previous poster has, is quite frankly ridiculous.

It means that we aren't constrained to any particular class by our birth. Which is why people can be middle class without being rich. That never used to be the case

To suggest class is not an issue when we have an eton educated PM with a hereditary titled individual as Chancellor is ridiculous

Of course we want to think or present social mobility as the cornerstone of our society - because they are not as stupid as say it is not a meritocracy and that we should know our place.
It i snot true though.

I haven't lived in the UK for most of my life but scored 75% in a practice test (a pass). I didn't know the names of the forts of Hadrian's wall for example.

The words 'Britain', 'British Isles' or 'British', however, are used in this test to refer to everyone in
(Choose any 4 answers)
England
The Isle of Man
Scotland
Wales
Channel Islands
Northern Ireland
Republic of Ireland

I reckon the answer given to this test is misleading as Northern Ireland is in the United Kingdom but not Great Britain. "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

To suggest that class distinctions were abolished 200 years ago, as a previous poster has, is quite frankly ridiculous.

I'm merely making the point that to infer class has a bearing on a persons intellectual capacity is, frankly ridiculous.

No you didn't.

If [b][i]you meant[/i][/b] to make that point then that's something completely different - but you didn't make it.

You said : [i]"Lower and middle class". FFS. What are you from the 1800's or something? [/i] That's all you said.

Lower and middle class in quotations followed by FFS and What are you from the 1800's or something? clearly implies that you are challenging the term lower and middle class.

I suggest that it might be helpful in the future if you learn to express yourself better 💡

And btw class does have a bearing on a person's intellectual capacity, there's nothing "ridiculous" about it. So you're wrong on that count too 🙂

The words 'Britain', 'British Isles' or 'British', however, are used in this test to refer to everyone in
(Choose any 4 answers)
England
The Isle of Man
Scotland
Wales
Channel Islands
Northern Ireland
Republic of Ireland

I reckon the answer given to this test is misleading as Northern Ireland is in the United Kingdom but not Great Britain. "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

It all gets very muddy as the "UK" is a political term and "British Isles" is a geographical one - so the British Isles includes Ireland (north and south) regardless of the nationality of the people on those islands as a description of a landmass. But the "British[u] Islands[/u]" include NI as if it was an island but excludes ROI. And "Great Britain" doesn't include Ireland at all (although in sporting terms Team GB does include Northern Ireland). But we use all of those terms interchangeably as if they mean the same thing.

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That confirms the answer in the test is wrong, if NI is a correct response the Channel Islands must be too but was marked wrong.

The question does say

The words 'Britain', 'British Isles' or 'British', however, [b]are used in this test[/b] to refer to everyone in...

So they are apparently asking you about their own definition of "British" that they have just made up for this test, rather than the [i]actual[/i] definition as shown in that Venn diagram.

Which seems just a bit pointless!

(But then we don't really have a collective word for "a resident of Scotland, England, Northern Ireland or Wales")

Do other countries have these problems with naming themselves? I know that much of Europe is made up of old countries or regions made into modern countries, but they don't seem to care. Maybe it's because of the unequal historical relationship between England and the others. Dutch people don't seem to mind the Netherlands being called Holland, do they?

No, but their Belgian cousins prefer the Flandrian flag over the Belgian one and the Basques consider themselves Basque first and French/Spanish second.

I'm merely making the point that to infer class has a bearing on a persons intellectual capacity is, frankly ridiculous.

But people do it- I assumed that people were going to think "ah, yes, but the people thinking that there needs to be a way to keep the Asians out will be from a poor background with limited education, and won't apply to people from a more privileged background". The neatest way to describe all groups is still by class.

But this is besides the point- the issue here is the UK's ludicrous immigration laws.

Dutch people don't seem to mind the Netherlands being called Holland, do they?

And btw class does have a bearing on a person's intellectual capacity, there's nothing "ridiculous" about it. So you're wrong on that count too

I'm not at all sure how that conclusion has been reached but obviously you're way ahead of me so, we'll done you.
I'll shit up and go back to my stupid corner. Having grown up on a council estate I must be intellectually inferior.
Oh wait. Perhaps you meant that class has a bearing on a persons access to education and may leave them without opportunity because to infer that they would not have the capacity to learn even if presented the opportunity would of course be frankly ridiculous.

Don't know what you're on about mate.

Granted. That's pretty obvious.

Do other countries have these problems with naming themselves?

I think The Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macadonia do 🙂 ([url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute ]looooong wikipedia link[/url] )

Although the Macedonia knows what to call itself and everyone knows what to call Macedonia - except a few bad-tempered Greeks. Mate worked on a base in Afghanistan and said the greek officer spent most of his time writing emails complaining that the Macedonians' vehicles had "Macedonia" painted on them instead of FYROM. Although I suppose if the worst thing an army did in Afghanistan was write some trolling emails, that's probably not too bad a track record.