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your goading trolls are absolutely the work of sublime genius its such a shame you use them to prop up arguments that are paper thinhowever to claim that "the reality is different" so soon sounds like hyperbole, the exact sort of hyperbole that the usual suspects start to come out with whenever they don't like the outcome of the democratic process.
We all know she has more power now as she is needed by the UK government to remain the Uk government
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And that is called paying the Dane-geld; but we've proved it again and again, that if once you have paid him the Dane-geld you never get rid of the Dane.
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/rudyardkip152250.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/27/dup-demand-460m-tax-cuts-keep-theresa-may-power-brexit/
The reality is different because there is no way May can or will treat the DUP the same as other parties in NI - indeed the very nature of the agreement is such that she is not treating them equally.
Personally, I won't be sorry to see the back of this lot.
And more trouble
The scottish government is going to open a formal dispute over the terms of the DUP dealon the grounds it should mean more money for Scotland under Barnett. ~Considering the Scottish secretary Mundell said it would now May says it won't.
a bit of confusion in the article tho
So let me see. A court case, Eire stating they will block brexit deals, Legal dispute with Scotland
A really well thought thru deal this one wasn't it
@binners yes £20 on GE before end of 2018. My view is the Tories just won't hold any controversial votes in 2018. All bland Brexit procedural stuff or things Labour will support, eg domestic violence. Not betting on riots.
So let me see. A court case, Eire stating they will block brexit deals, Legal dispute with ScotlandA really well thought thru deal this one wasn't it
once again we are a warning to the rest of the world (and the rEU obvs)....
dont try and turn your back on your closest allies, or chaos will ensue
[quote=jambalaya ]My view is the Tories just won't hold any controversial votes in 2018. All bland Brexit procedural stuff or things Labour will support, eg domestic violence.
I expect you'll find Labour proposing amendments galore in that case.
[Ruth Davidson] Very keen on human rights.
Very keen on LGBT rights, anyway.
Indeed Aracer - and I can see amendments being posted designed to split Davidson and the DUP. IE something one will love the other will hate
But willing to overlook the appalling opinions of anyone she needs to help her into power.DrJ - Member
[Ruth Davidson] Very keen on human rights.
Very keen on LGBT rights, anyway.
I'm starting to have an admiration for the sheer bare-faced front of this government.
Spend weeks drumming up a tawdry deal with one party in Northern Irelands famously partisan assembly. All to save your sorry arse at the cost of billions.
Then come out the very next day with a statement telling the rest of the parties they need to sort their shit out by tomorrow afternoon
It'd actually be funny, if it wasn't just yet another part of the enormous almighty cluster**** we're all stuck in the middle of.
I litteraly do feel, with the Brexit shambles, this, and god knows what else, that I'm sat watching a slow motion car crash, the long term implications of which don't even bear thinking about. And all to serve the selfish personal interests of the most clueless PM this country has ever seen, and the utter nutjobs she seems hell bent on placating at literally any cost
@aracer it won't work. Tories aren't daft and will stick together (plus 3 line whips etc), they won't get enough dissent to overturn an effective majority of 13. As i said DUP will do all they to keep Corbyn and McDonnell away from power. Deal ensures Queens Speech will pass and thereafter 2018 sessions will be very quiet imho.
As i said DUP will do all they to keep Corbyn and McDonnell away from power.
If that were true there'd be no need for a billion pound bung then.......
... and the Maybot must be the worst negotiator ever!
Jammers.... Tebbit is being interviewed on Five Live. I'm sure you'd be in total agreement with everything he has to say. To those of us in the real world, he seems to be existing in some type of alternative universe.
Apparently we should all be feeeling terribly sorry for poor old Theresa, as she's under an awful lot of pressure 😆
Hope the bitch is squirming every minute of the day and her nights are very long and devoid of sleep.
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[quote=jambalaya ]@aracer it won't work. Tories aren't daft and will stick together (plus 3 line whips etc), they won't get enough dissent to overturn an effective majority of 13.
In that case why don't they just have a normal programme of legislation? You can't have it both ways - if they weren't vulnerable to votes on amendments then there would be no need for them to limit votes to non controversial issues. It's not going to be anywhere near as simple as you're suggesting given they don't have a majority of 150.
Corbyn has already set out his tactics, and whilst 3 line whips might work for a while, the MPs will get tired of it and as suggested above Labour will be introducing amendments designed to exploit splits in the "coalition". At some point some MPs will find it impossible to vote against an amendment and then the cracks will start to form.
Tories aren't daft and will stick together
How did that "sticking together" thing work on the Brexit referedum?
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What a pile of bigoted shite.
What a pile of bigoted shite.
calling a persons writing shite is a dyslexo-phobic microagression Darcy, you are a bigot.
Yes, of course Zulu. You carry on love.
I wrote something similar above in this thread. The DUP have won have won £800 for each NI resident while Sinn Fein have done **** all. Not that it matters electorally, I don't think there are many floating voters in NI.
If the SNP & Plaid Cumru think it's worth taking Westminster Seats, and UKIP reckon it's worth taking seats in the EU then it would seem worthwhile for Sinn Fein to take their seats.
The oath isn't such a significant impediment - loads of Anti-Monarchist MPs get around it and then there's the offer for them to write their own oath:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/sinn-fein-asked-to-rewrite-queens-oath-and-take-westminster-seats-28557933.html
Sinn Fein's voters are massively against taking seats in Westminster, that's the "impediment"
I can't see anything in that Times article thats 'bigoted' to quote darsy.....or is said poster anti British, freedom of the press???
Sinn Fein's voters are massively against taking seats in Westminster
...and they're wrong IMHO, for the reasons I state.
OOB
Its been their consistent approach - part of their platform
Its been their consistent approach - part of their platform
...and they're wrong IMHO, for the reasons I state.
...and they're wrong IMHO, for the reasons I state.
I 'get' why they refuse to do so. As republicans that stands on the idea of not recognising British rule it would be wrong in their view to do so. Not that helpful in the current circumstances but at least they are sticking to their [s]guns[/s] views.
How will this deal work if the Stormont talks fail? My understanding is that if they fail then Northern Ireland may end up being back under direct rule from London. So then it would seem that current government would be ruling whilst being propped up by a party with no power except the ability to blackmail the goverment?
How will this deal work if the Stormont talks fail? My understanding is that if they fail then Northern Ireland may end up being back under direct rule from London. So then it would seem that current government would be ruling whilst being propped up by a party with no power except the ability to blackmail the goverment?
No idea. When all these processes were agreed we hadn't had a hung parliament for yonks so they perhaps didn't anticipate a situation where one of the 'sides' in NI held the balance of Power in Parliament.
Meanwhile if Sinn Fein object to all this too strongly they'd be arguing against £1bn going to NI!
It's a bit of a mess for all concerned as far as I can see, apart from the DUP who are probably quite grateful to have a £1bn good news story to offset the Energy subsidy omnishambles story.
NI reverts to direct rules shortly unless they agree a powersharing deal again. Considering the reasons it fell apart then its highly likely this will happen then its going tobe very difficult if not impossible for the tories to show the impartiality they must have under the GFA
Marching seasons going to be interesting / unpleasant as well. Expect a unionist attempt to march where they are banned.
tjagainMarching seasons going to be interesting / unpleasant as well. Expect a unionist attempt to march where they are banned.
Same as every other year then.
outofbreath - Member
Its been their consistent approach - part of their platform...and they're wrong IMHO, for the reasons I state.
Sinn Fein taking their seats would seriously erode any credibility with fringe republicans. Granted, they are already sell outs to some hardcore republicans and dissident sympathisers but by taking their oaths they it would be a massive propaganda coup for dissidents.
ruth dudley edwards. 😆 youse serious?
i give that the same weight i would do if Tommy Robinson told me something was not racistI can't see anything in that Times article thats 'bigoted' to quote darsy
He did not say anything to indicate this he seemed to exercise his right to free speech which you will, no doubt, respect and support......or is said poster anti British, freedom of the press???
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That Times article is one the most unbalanced & biased pieces I've ever read!
Did you write it yourself Tory Boi?
There are many worse people than Orangemen, and IRA supporters are high on the list.
Yeah, because the Orangemen are such fing saints right!
What a load of bollox.
yeah that times author was absolutely certain that Gerry Adams would immediately take his seats at westminster in event of a hung parliament
shes full o shite 😉
kimbersshes full o shite
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Hilariously so. Novel to see that an article on The Times website contains more lies, half truths, straw men and whataboutery than an average STW thread.
And yet more trouble. Amendment to the queens speech allowing women from NI to have abortions in England on the NHS. DUP will not like this one bit. there has already been trouble over this previously when the DUP tried to get the scots NHS to stop providing abortions for women from NI ( can't remember if free of charge - think it was)
Significant number of pro choice tories will vote for this amendment and I expect all the opposition to do so.
the amendment is likely to pass and then the DUP will have to vote in favour of the queens speech ( under the deal) containing this amendment that they cannot vote for by their own standards.
I see this as the first of many such things designed to split the DUP off from the tories
the amendment is likely to pass and then the DUP will have to vote in favour of the queens speech ( under the deal) containing this amendment that they cannot vote for by their own standards.
Yup but anything remotely pro-choice will *really* piss the Catholics off which will be a big compensation for the DUP. Nothing both sides like better than winding the other side up.
I see this as the first of many such things designed to split the DUP off from the tories
Yup. The scope for deeply embarrasing the DUP and the Tories is endless and we're going to see it daily.
Now Theresa has found the magic money tree in the tax evasion forest, Scotland wants some too.
The Scottish Government is raising a formal dispute over DUP [s]bribe[/s] special payment on the grounds that it does affect the Barnett formula. This is because it is designated for assisting with devolved matters.
[url= https://news.gov.scot/news/uk-governmentdup-deal#.WVS2AcE9doA.facebook ]UK Government/DUP deal[/url]
Will the Welsh follow suit?
Yup but anything remotely pro-choice will *really* piss the Catholics off which will be a big compensation for the DUP.
actually sinn fein arent as backwards as the DUP on that one
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-31774791