[Closed] The going rate for an MP's vote is now £100 million

Yup but anything remotely pro-choice will *really* piss the Catholics off which will be a big compensation for the DUP. Nothing both sides like better than winding the other side up.

actually sinn fein arent as backwards as the DUP on that one

Not sure what SF have got to do with it - they're not the Vatican.

I haven't done a poll of Christian aquaintances, but IME Catholics are more anti-Abortion than protestants.

In party terms a quick google suggests DUP and SF tried to duck FFA as an issue. With DUP trying to delay until after elections and SF claiming they hadn't got a policy on it. ...but that's irrelevant to my point.

actually Sinn Fein aren't as backwards as the DUP on that one

To be fair there are medievel warlords who aren't as backward as the DUP on that one.

So... given the events of the last few weeks, is everyone expecting Stormont to be up and running again this afternoon then?

Now that Arlene and the DUP - who caused its suspension in the first place through their corruption and incompetence - have just been bunged 1.5 billion quid, and made Theresa's Tory government its bitch?

I mean... why would any of the other parties have any doubt as to the impartiality with which they'll all be treated? No... I'm sure it'll all be fine.....

Not sure what SF have got to do with it - they're not the Vatican.

but they are THE catholic party of NI so a good bellweather of the community

I haven't done a poll of Christian aquaintances, but IME Catholics are more anti-Abortion than protestants.

but they are THE catholic party of NI so a good bellweather of the community

and the DUP arent your average prodestants, why were they formed again? oh yeah

I'd strongly argue that neither the DUP or Sinn Fein represent catholic and Protestants *at all*. They're both nasty small minded bigots who have *far* more in common with each other than the typical proponents of the branches of Christianity they consider themselves to be part of. You just don't get Catholics and Protestants in Southampton flying flags/painting kerbs with the primary aim of winding the other side up.

Binners news reports seem to be saying a deal is being done. But then we have seen that before

Looks like the tories are going to accept the amendment to avoid a defeat - but that means the DUP are going to have to vote for a pro choice measure. 🙂
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Or they are going to agree the funding deal so the pro choice tories don't rebel and the amendment does not pass a vote

outofbreath - Member
but they are THE catholic party of NI so a good bellweather of the community
and the DUP arent your average prodestants, why were they formed again? oh yeah
I'd strongly argue that neither the DUP or Sinn Fein represent catholic and Protestants *at all*. They're both nasty small minded bigots who have *far* more in common with each other than the typical proponents of the branches of Christianity they consider themselves to be part of. You just don't get Catholics and Protestants in Southampton flying flags/painting kerbs with the primary aim of winding the other side up.

Fine grasp of the irish situation you have there! 😆

And the Tories have conceded that any NI woman wanted to come to England for a termination will have this funded - a humiliating climbdown to avoid the amendment being passed so to save the DUP blushes / save the deal.

save the DUP blushes

I know little of parliamentary procedure but surely the DUP will still have to vote for the entire bill including the amendment?

Wasn't DUP, SDLP and and SF policy on abortions pretty much identical? They are certainly all opposed to what we have on the mainland.

Wasn't DUP, SDLP and and SF policy on abortions pretty much identical?

All pretty backward tbh , but SF would allow it it in cases of severe foetal abnormality &rape? (When they adopted this position several SF members resigned) But DUP oppose even that, not sure about SDLP

At least May's dirty deal with the DUP is shining a light on just how repressive NI is on certain issues, can see Labour using the opportunity to force through a lot more progressive motions, much to the ire of the extreme right wingers in DUP & even Tory party

My understanding is they are going to do it but not use legislation to do it - ie they result will be the same but the DUP do not need to vote on anything as it wont be in the speech

Greening said that the Equalities Office would fund the payments for the terminations with additional funding for health services. “This will mean no English health service user is disadvantaged as a result of this change,” she wrote. “Funding for the services will be made available through the government Equalities Office, allowing the Department of Health to commission services in England for those from Northern Ireland.

“The supreme court judgment made clear that we have the power to make these arrangements. The government’s position continues to be that we want to see safe abortion services provided for women who may need them – within the bounds of the law.”

So hardly the political weapon it was supposed to be eh ? Trivially defeated. All such amendments are going to go the same way. The Queens Speech is going to pass and on we go.

No extra money for Scotland TJ, the Tories will have thought of this. Of course Sturgeon etc will try and make something of it but they are doomed to failure.

Ah, I didn't realise that there was wider context for this:

https://care.org.uk/news/latest-news/abortion-judgement-overturned-northern-ireland-abortion-law-not-incompatible-human
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40444310

Appeal court in Belfast today overruled a judgement that NI abortion ban was breach of human rights law, and that it was an issue for the executive to decide

jambalaya - Member
So hardly the political weapon it was supposed to be eh ?

In your hard on for cheering Maybot sidestepping a potentially divisive vote

You missed the bit where the lives of potentially 1000s of women were just improved. That's a win by most people's standards

If you want to look at it in a political context, humiliating for teh DUP as its something they opposed
good for Labour, showing they are a force for good in parliament
The Tories look weak being dictated to by the opposition and forced to do something that the nasty party wouldnt bother with

Trivially defeated

How many amendments will there be?

I predict 150.

Actually, no, maybe 75-100.

Hmmm...no, much less than that.

jambalaya - Member
the Tories will have thought of this.

That's cute, jambs thinks there's a plan! 😆

First test of the DUP deal. First humiliating climbdown from the government, Thin edge of the wedge driven in with a nice big hammer

You do realise that the DUP tried to get Scotland to ban NI women from having abortions in Scotland? The DUP will be very angry about this. What price will they ask for for this?

Ninfan - you do realise the two issues are separate? The belfast court ruling is on providing abortion in NI and has been ongoping for a while. This is about the funding of abortion for NI women in the UK.

You missed the bit where the lives of potentially 1000s of women were just improved.

You think jambot gives a toss about that?

This is going to be fun to watch. Sure the DUP might not have to vote on it now, but it's just been introduced by a government they have a deal with. I'm not sure I'd describe that as a trivial defeat - but then I have a reasonable grasp on reality. In any case, at the first attempt Labour are driving government policy.

That's cute, jambs thinks there's a plan!

But there is, it's called the HofGD Strategy ("Hang on for Grim Death") 8)

@kimbers yes its a good thing but that's not why the Labour Party introduced it is it ?

Coalition / minority government is always a mess with the capacity for strange results like the Lib Dems supporting £9k tuition fees.

You think jambot gives a toss about that?

What improves lives is living in a financially stable and viable country, more Germany/Switzerland less Greece. Corbyn/McDonnell would make the incompetence of Brown post 2007 looks like the merest blip

its a good thing but that's not why the Labour Party introduced it is it ?

[quote=jambalaya ]What improves lives is living in a financially stable and viable country

Ah, not one which is attempting to cut ties with its closest trading partners then?

@aracer as you know I am firmly of the belief that our best trading opportunities lie far from Europe. We are a very very good customer for them, the other way round really not so much

I know what your beliefs are, but to get to the nirvana you want involves a period of instability somewhat greater and longer than that of a Corbyn/McDonnell government (even if you are right about that). Or are you going to deny the current situation?

Corbyn/McDonnell would make the incompetence of Brown post 2007 looks like the merest blip

Based on what?

tbh we all know it will be economically worse in the short run - even you accepted that you failed to define exactly what you meant or how long it lasted- its just that some think it is a price worth paying

only the truly optimistic [ or deranged] think we will be better off ditching a free trade deal with our biggest trading partner ,whom we trade 43% of our exports with and are critical to our supply lines, and will reach economic nirvana this way

not one report, that was not written by a brexie, agrees with your assessment NOT ONE.

It was a backbench amendment by a Labour MP not the official opposition amendment, like the one for staying in the single market which has meant Corbyn has had to fire another 5 ish front benchers for voting against policy.

you keep clutching at those straws

one day the tories will realise you cannot defend the tories by simply just attacking corbyn you need to explain how string and stable she is and how wonderfully string and stable the agreement is with the DUP

SO one vote and one compromise is what you have to work with so far

Go on give it your best shot

What improves lives is living in a financially stable and viable country

So, the women who wanted an abortion but couldn't get one should have just shut up and concentrated on their financial security. You really are a piece of work 🙁

[quote=jambalaya ]What improves lives is living in a financially stable and viable country

With a strong and stable leader, rather than a weak and wobbly one

the northern irish are financially better off as a result of weak and wobbly so ever cloud eh

Maybe all those disabled people driven to suicide by Tory policy forgot how viable the economy was?

A massive increase in homelessness is surely a sign of a strong economy.

Junkyard - lazarus

the northern irish are financially better off as a result of weak and wobbly so ever cloud eh

Weak and wobbly was personally responsible for burning £490 million so her church and orange order buddies could feather their nests. She also shares responsibility (along with her party) for accepting a bribe in order to support the leave campaign - effectively cutting off at least £2billion a year Northern Ireland receives from the EU.

But yeah, never mind all that. Better off. FFS.

The right wingers on here trying to spin this are hilarious. Its a humiliation for both the tories and the DUP.

We all love cats, so I thought of this interesting question for jamba, ninfan and chewy. What colour is this cat:
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Hint: Theresa says it is black.

It looks strong.

IS it a dog?

Its a humiliation for both the tories and the DUP.

Oh I think it is Junkyard. May has to find a load more money from her magic money tree to ensure these women can get terminations and creat policy on the hoof. the DUP will be furious as they have tried to prevent NI women travelling to Scotland for terminations.

Sure she avoided losing the vote but at what cost?

May has to find a load more money from her magic money tree to ensure these women can get terminations and creat policy on the hoof. the DUP will be furious as they have tried to prevent NI women travelling to Scotland for terminations.

Surely if they are getting them done in Scotland then it means that Sturgeon needs to find the money to pay for it, not [s]Maggie[/s] May?

Woosh - NI women have been travelling to Scotland for terminations - and usually the scots NHS paid for it. this has been going on for years. The DUP tried to stop it.

Now after Mays humiliating climbdown the english NHS will also pay for women from NI to travel to England for terminations

NI women have been travelling to Scotland for terminations - and usually the scots NHS paid for it. this has been going on for years.

They certainly weren't funding it as of last year:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/17/nicola-sturgeon-offers-help-to-northern-irish-women-seeking-abortions

Are we including the £100m + taxpayer expense of the last shambolic election in May's tab?

No wonder the debt goes up so high under Tory govs, it's more a result of their incompetence than their policies !