[Closed] The Four Hour Body

I'm bringing out a book next year called the 4 minute body. It's basically taking the concept to the next level for the more extreme cash rich time wannabe athlete. Plus in chapter 7 I'll explain how you can get the female orgasm down from 15 minutes to 15 seconds.

My book, the 4 second body will eclipse all of those.

So, I'll put you in the 'bullsh*t' group shall I?

Molgrips - we already know that you are in the gullible camp when it comes to diet and exercise.

Harsh SBZ , harsh
*s****s*

Did you not see me being really sceptical about these ideas when iDave first came on here?

molgrips - Member

It sounds like rubbish, except that the examples are either experiments he's done on himself or the exploits of coaches training very famous athletes.

I wonder if there's any cross-reference between those famous athletes, and the ones wearing powerbalance bracelets?

There's quite a few wearing big gold medals around their necks.

Molgrips... does it involve HIIT?

Basically yes.

We did try and tell you...

Molgrips - no.

TJ - it was harsh but fair.

Building fitness is like building a pyramid, the better and bigger you build the base the higher you can make it without it falling over.

Those s****ing at the back, read and learn........

http://jp.physoc.org/content/early/2010/01/20/jphysiol.2009.181743.abstract

http://jp.physoc.org/content/575/3/901.short

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2640399/?tool=pmcentrez

Building fitness is like building a pyramid

Yes, and the higher you go, the more pointy it gets.
Once you have a good base fitness HIIT is the way to go, throw those old fashioned textbooks out and update your knowledge 🙄

We did try and tell you...

Yep, and I was sceptial, and I read, thought and learned.

I was particularly interested in the stuff about increasing endurance with small amounts of weight training.

This is the one 'bout sexy time, isn't it?

I'm glad you've done the research... care to share about the weight training stuff?

Do you think this might make you less sceptical of others in the future, or more trusting of people who clearly know what they're on about?

molgrips

I read, thought and learned.

Good on you, rigid old fashioned ideas can only be overcome by updating your knowledge, we're not all stuck in the 70's 😆

emsz e-mail me, I'll take you through it in detail!

Why isn't your mrs home yet?

This is the one 'bout sexy time, isn't it?

Yeti time is always sexy time, isn't it 😳

She is.

*points at GF sitting at table in corner surrounded by books*

I'm going to interfere with her in a moment 😆

I'm going to interfere with her in a moment

My mind is so [s]filthy[/s] I mean [s]smutty[/s] sexy.

It has sexy time in it. I skipped that chapter, it was a little too personal from his point of view.. sometimes you have to do your own experimenting and learning, and not read someone else's over-analysis!

we can do some experiments tonight

Yeti - you have to understand that at first you're just some random bloke on a forum. iDave's pretty tight lipped about his credentials, and wouldn't elaborate for obvious reasons - it's his living.

Lots of people can APPEAR to know what they are talking about.. I'm not going to immediately lap up everything from every forum goer, that'd be far too gullible 🙂

Re the weight training stuff - far too much for me to relate, and I skimmed most of it. Buy the book it's only a few quid!

Re the sexy bits, I expect emsz knows all the stuff in there already 🙂

*puts rigid SS 29er onto classifieds*

Yep, you're right Molly.
I'm still a random bloke off of a forum, but iDave has always seemed like he knows exactly what he's on about!

iDave has always seemed like he knows exactly what he's on about!

Yup, easily spot the good'uns because they're not too bothered about being proved right.
From the start iDave never got defensive or argumentative, despite the s****s, just said his bit and shared his knowledge 😀

iModelmyselfonhim.

iDon't, but iDo like his style.....

He seems like a top bloke, I wonder how quick he is on a bike? 🙂

Hilldodger are you in the fitness business perhaps?

Hilldodger - my point is not to disregard HIIT as a method of training, it is more that if you jump straight into HIIT your pyramid will fall over and you'll get injured lots and you wont stick to it.

Another way of putting it is that you wouldn't want to go red-lining a shonky old austin maestro before you'd ensured that it wouldnt blow up.

old austin maestro before you'd ensured that it wouldnt blow up.

The 4 hour body info is great if you want to a boost and short-cut to better fitness but it's not designed for people who want to excel in sport - high level performance gains are a little more complex with lots of variables to deal with. SbZ, there isn't much evidence that HIIT should only be for elite level athletes.

What is HIIT ??

High Intensity Interval Training.

The quickest may to make you feel sick and lightheaded without taking drugs.

Edit: Infact it's quicker than drugs.

Ah OK pure high end. Yes, pointless without base. Unless you specialize in short track events, and only plan to race one at a time. IMHO of course.

iDave - I didnt say that it was only for elite athletes. What I said was that if you skip straight to high intensity interval work you will injure yourself very quickly. Another way of putting it would be that there are no shortcuts to getting fit.

Ah, but there are many shortcuts SbZ

Again, very little evidence that you'll get injured just by doing intervals.

iDave - define shortcut.

And you are saying that there is evidence that HIIT should only be used by elite athletes and that you'll get injured just by doing intervals? Can you show me some please seeing as you assumably know where it is. 😀

Isn't HIIT a tautology? Does anyone do low intensity intervals?

you [s]will[/s] might injure yourself very quickly

FIFY

Personally I don't see why you'd injure yourself anymore quickly... 'High' is going to be a percieved level of exertion based on your current level of fitness.

It's all relative!

Finbar, HIIT are close to maximum effort - way past Vo2max

You can do effective intervals much lower than that for some difference gains

finbar - no and what about moderate, peak level etc...

Pretty much everything 'works'. For a while. Then you adapt or burn out.

My favourite short-term workout: [url= http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/antibodybuilding_hypertrophy_program ]here...[/url]

Aha, gotcha.

*chews on hard boiled egg*

I was doing okay on the idave until I drank a bottle of white last night I then ate mini cheddars

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I love this, a trainee physiotherapist arguing with a professional cycling coach about cycling training...

Sooner or later someone on this thread is going to reference [url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/Time-crunched-Cyclist-Fast-Powerful-Hours/dp/1934030473 ]The Time Crunched Cyclist[/url] in which Carmichael advocates much the same thing ie focus on high intensity work to get the most benefit if you only have a few hours a week.

[b]BUT[/b] he also points out repeatedly that compared with a higher-volume base-building approach:-

(a) it doesn't generate such deep endurance (best for short sub 3 hour events)

(b) it only allows short spells of peak fitness before you burn out or hurt yourself.

And it's striking that most of the examples he gives of riders who've used his approach successfully are ex-racers or similar with many years of high volume training behind them ie. who have deep long-term base and conditioning... not just random punters.

Meanwhile, here's a dormouse in a coconut.

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MG - not that long ago it was a certain IT type doing the same though...... 😉

I was just being sceptical not knowing your experience and skillz.. however SbZ has heard all the evidence I have and still argues with you.

I am not afraid to change my mind and learn 🙂

molgripsI love this, a trainee physiotherapist arguing with a professional cycling coach about cycling training...

I'm waiting for 'the lawmaker' to come amongst us and put us all to rights with a peer-reviewed risk-assessed judgement.

Seriously though, I think the message is that training/weight loss/body maintenance are all complex matters - what works for one won't work for all.

It's good to hear different views on this, it's all part of the learning curve 😀

I think that what works for one should work for all BUT I suspect that we are all starting from different positions. There are lots of interacting systems in our bodies and the balance of those systems is different in different people. So we're all effectively starting from a different place.

Hence people saying 'X is great' 'no it's not it didn't work at all' and so on.

'no it's not it didn't work at all'

I think it's more a case of, "no it's not, I read something different in Men's Health, or on a personal trainers course" , rather than actual direct experience

It's more a case of what works for elite athletes not being suitable for jimmy lardarse.

True enough. It's extremely difficult to tease any kind of scientific trend out of all the hard sell and anecdotes around such an emotive issue.

It's more a case of what works for elite athletes not being suitable for jimmy lardarse.

Well it's different for non-athletes and athletes because they do different things and have different goals, but surely for an amateur athlete the same principles apply?

One of the things I've found in my own actual direct experience is that doing really hard interval sets at...

close to maximum effort - way past Vo2max

...takes far more out of me than ordinary hill reps or threshold work. Much longer to recover properly and train at the same level again.

You need to learn how to give it the beans on hills then!

Oh I know how to do that 🙂

Training for the Fred Whitton at the moment, hills aren't the problem. I actually have more trouble with pushing the pace on the flat. Doing a sub-six hour 100 miles last Sunday was something of a personal milestone.

I actually have more trouble with pushing the pace on the flat

It is MUCH harder agreed.

SBZ.
Why ?, why do you, why can't you.

iDave.
I'm surprized you even bother replying, anymore.
From what I've seen on here, what you have proved beyond all doubt is that there is an inexhaustable supply of nay-sayers.
While I'm not sure why you still bother, I'm glad you do.
😉

Molgrips.
How are you ?, still progressing with the changes to your diet ?. Are you finding it any easier now, have you observed any results ?.
I'm hoping you can report some success.

The 4 hour body. I had a copy in my hand, I reached up to collect it from the shelf in the book shop.
However, when I read "a guide to incredible sex" I had to put the book back on the shelf. Pity really, but never mind.

😉

Solo - thanks for your interest 🙂

6kg (ish) down so far, body looks much better I think. It's on the whole shedloads easier than restricting calories, but I do miss cake and milk. Had one or two wobbles.

As for the 4hb sex bit, you can completely skip that - I did. It's still worth it. I also skipped the body building parts.

Solo - Eh?

Molgrips.

[i]Had one or two wobbles[/i]

Aye, I know what you mean, but it gets easier with time, as I'm sure you know.
😉

And yes I realise, that on the face of it, its seems a bit short sighted of me not to do as you did. Buy the book and skip certain chapters, etc.
But I just couldn't bring myself to buy a book promising me incredible sex.

I'll see.

You wouldn't believe whats just happened while writing this.
Our network is down today, so its a bit slow in here, and someone has just handed me a Mars Ice cream.
Think I'll keep it until Saturday.....I've just had lentil soup for lunch and I'm not feeling hungry.

I've used the Time Crunched Cyclist programme and found it effective. As pointed out in the earlier post, it will not give you the sustained performance peak of a traditional higher volume training programme. However, it is a good way of maximising your training benefits if your time is limited.
Carmichael does provide different versions of the plan for different experience levels, but it is very intense, and it might not be appropriate if you are new to interval training.