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IIRC mert is in Sweden so doesn't get BIK. I'll let you do the rest of the maths.
(I may be wrong)
I assume that comma after fuel should have been a semicolon?
yes... I noticed 16 minutes after i posted. Oops.
You can do much much better for that kind of money.
Not really. Not without having the tax go through the roof. You'll pay about 15 quid/mo on the 850 quid SUV (i pay about 6 quid on mine) It's not BIK.
I guess you work for a car manufacturer…. and they don’t offer EVs to their own employees on the staff Company Car scheme. I’d love to see how that fits into the Company’s ESG value proposition !
About 40% of the company fleet is now BEV, 30% PHEV. They're replacing the models we don't make any more. So anyone with BEV/PHEV won't get an offer to exchange until (probably) next summer. At the earliest. Anyone with a 3 year old conventional ICE with the discontinued infotainment/electrical architecture (like me) is being pushed onto something "better". A light hybrid with the current electrical architecture.
<blockquoteOctopus are so far ahead of the other providers in terms of the interaction between the app, home devices and the grid demand.
Octopus seem very good all round.
Oh, cancel everything, I'll have one of these:
https://www.audi.co.uk/uk/web/en/models/etrongt/audi-rs-e-tron-gt.html
One of my colleagues has one. It’s really nice, I prefer it over the Taycan it’s related to, and I normally hate Audis. I’d be tempted but they’ve removed it from our car scheme for the moment as delivery lead times are over 6 months, plus the range is utter poo.
That charge port location looks even worse than the iPace for needing creative parking and dragging cables across the bonnet when trying to use a rapid.
Yeah that's a huge downside. It says low 200s range from a 95kWh battery which is rubbish. Can't blame it on aerodynamics either.
That ridiculous car makes me glad to have decided to buy a used Tesla Model 3 Long Range, which ain’t cheap but has a better range and almost the same level of performance for less than a third of the price.
I love the look of the RS eTron, much nicer looking than the Taycan to me. However, it would be no good in the Chrispoffer household as I picked up this last Thursday -
It's a new Renault Megane eTech. It's a company car to replace my 3 year old diesel auto that was collected by the c/hire co on Tues this week. I used the Megane for the first time on Thurs then lent it to a colleague as I was going from Co Durham to Glasgow on Sunday night for a gig and although the Megane could've done it I would have had to build charging time into the trip which might have interfered with drinking/dancing time. Would've been 370 miles ish, the Megane has a 60kw battery and has a WLTP range of 280 miles although in practice so far the max it's been showing is around 200, I'm assuming this might be down to the weather.
I've got it plugged in at the moment at work - for free - ready to break up for Xmas tonight. I'll maybe have to brave public charging over the hols, will see how I go. Haven't got a charge point at home but I have got a 3kw granny lead to plug into the garage.
I like it so far, the big screens are nice as is the Google integration. And of course my company car tax will go down from £220 a month ish to £27 - and hopefully negligible charging costs if I can keep it topped up at work which'll make a huge difference.
I'm off to Edinburgh for a meeting on the 4th of Jan which will be it's first long run for work, but I'll be able to charge at the site that I'll be at while I'm busy.
We still have a couple of dino fuel cars in the house so it'll be interesting to see how the personal use goes, whether we'll be using it ahead of the others. I think we might.
That charge port location looks even worse than the iPace for needing creative parking and dragging cables across the bonnet when trying to use a rapid.
Think the E-Tron GT has two charge ports, one on each side.
There was an RS parked outside, but someones taken it out for a drive...
the Megane has a 60kw battery and has a WLTP range of 280 miles although in practice so far the max it’s been showing is around 200, I’m assuming this might be down to the weather.
It'll take some time to learn its characteristics, but not long.
Did you calculate the range for that Audi based on their calculator?
Guy I work with has an etron and I'm praying at some point he grows out of testing the acceleration/braking and uses the cruise control a bit more...
@chrispoffer
Assuming you are in the NorthEast (going from the transported bridge in the pic), you'll be fine getting up to Edinburgh. Theres a pretty solid Ionity next to Alnwick and Tesla superchargers a little further up the (you need the Tesla app to use it).
I reckon I can get there in one hit up the A68 from Co Durham - it's only about 135 miles - charge when I'm there for £0.00 as they've got a 22kw charger and then back home. I didn't know you could use a Tesla supercharger if you don't have a Tesla though, that might be handy in the future!
i tested it at the one near us....much to the disgust of the Tesla drivers 😀
(I was in our cheap little Kia)
Haven’t got a charge point at home but I have got a 3kw granny lead to plug into the garage.
If it's the same block as the Zoé in France you'll need a specific socket to get 3kW, without it defaults to 2kW.
Take care, you can’t just rock up at any Tesla Supercharger and use it. Get the Tesla app, it shows which sites are open to any vehicle. It’s only about 15 of them. You have to pay through the app too.
Tesla prices reduced - https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/tesla-slashes-price-of-model-3-and-y-in-move-that-will-damage-used-prices-further/277651
already got an email from nationwide leasing with £125 off a month for a model Y.
thats going to hammer the residuals on teslas bought earlier in the year!
Wow. That's huge reductions - 15/16%. Wouldn't want to be one of the 16,000 folk that took delivery of a Tesla in the UK in December, especially if they own them. My pal has a dual motor 3 as a company car and it's genuinely one of the quickest cars I've ever been in, this side of an Aerial Atom - but as he has no stake in it's residual value he won't be at all bothered.
Seems to be viewed as a negative story but it's great. Other manufs will be under pressure to follow suit, so we'll have competition. I reckon UK prices are over inflated, because demand is more than supply and they could get away with it. Check out the price of a Nissan Leaf in the USA.
Check out the price of a Nissan Leaf in the USA.
The MRSP as stated online or the actual bottom line price as paid when your driving away.
In the USA those are very different
equally hilarious (as the article points out) for those who've ordered but not taken delivery yet - they either have to stick to the agreed price, or cancel & re-order but now they're at the back of the queue again!Wow. That’s huge reductions – 15/16%. Wouldn’t want to be one of the 16,000 folk that took delivery of a Tesla in the UK in December, especially if they own them.
That said have no idea what percentage of people actually buy these outright vs lease or company car. It's a [I]lot[/I] of dosh even at these reduced prices!
equally hilarious (as the article points out) for those who’ve ordered but not taken delivery yet – they either have to stick to the agreed price, or cancel & re-order but now they’re at the back of the queue again!
They have done similar to powerwall customers only it's to pump the price up right before install and then say pay up or we will sell it to the next guy.
Shoddy and bullying business practice put me off the powerwall and while I still think the Tesla vehicle ecosystem is far superior to any other manufacturers......I shan't be giving them my cash.
Other manufs will be under pressure to follow suit, so we’ll have competition.
Could it be because there's increasing competition from legacy manufacturers, and possibly Musk's twitter mentalism is rapidly turning people off Tesla? And the auto-pilot crashes I guess?
I seem to be increasingly seeing reviews including owner reviews slating the quality of Tesla's especially for the price. Other manufacturers have caught them up in the EV world and it is only the batteries and supercharger network that now make Tesla's desirable.
A lot of people get giddy when test driving a Tesla, but most of it is generic EV compared to ICE, not Tesla specific.
already got an email from nationwide leasing with £125 off a month for a model Y.
My Kia e-Niro lease with Nationwide end in April. I was going to extend the lease for another year but your post prompted me to check Nationwide and the prices have certainly reduced from outrageous to merely laughable. 3 yrs and 10k per year on Model Y rear drive reduced from £677 to £590 per month. Trouble is a Niro EV lease on same terms is £570 per month (£160 per month more than I'm paying now) so if I was prepared to cough up that per month may as well have the Model Y.
They have done similar to powerwall customers only it’s to pump the price up right before install and then say pay up or we will sell it to the next guy.
Urban myth maybe? I waited a year after ordering to get my Powerwall installed. The price remained the same as when I placed the order, bloody bargain as the price went up about £2k in that year.
stick to the agreed price, or cancel & re-order but now they’re at the back of the queue again!
I can't imagine that queue is very long if they've just lopped 15% off the price. a quick play on their site shows a bunch of cars in stock and a 1-3 month wait for a custom order
Urban myth maybe? I waited a year after ordering to get my Powerwall installed. The price remained the same as when I placed the order, bloody bargain as the price went up about £2k in that year.
Your supplier took the hit then - was a Q4 2022 issue well publicised - many suppliers couldn't take the hit and Tesla wouldn't work with them.
1-3 month wait for a custom order
A colleague of mine did, indeed, only have wait for 3 months for his standard Model 3 co. car.
equally hilarious (as the article points out) for those who’ve ordered but not taken delivery yet – they either have to stick to the agreed price, or cancel & re-order but now they’re at the back of the queue again!
According to several people on the tesla uk facebook page, Tesla are honouring the new price for their order. They're going through the queue emailing buyers.
Experience from several buyers suggests you get the deal active on day of collection including free mileage etc.
My Tusker order for a Q4 Etron Quattro is now showing as late August 23(was May). There is an ability to cancel/change car up till a month before delivery. Think I’ll cost out an AWD Tesla model 3 and see how it now compares. Will need to be a factory build as need a towbar, but indication is I could have it in April..
I can’t imagine that queue is very long if they’ve just lopped 15% off the price. a quick play on their site shows a bunch of cars in stock and a 1-3 month wait for a custom order
Anybody got any guesses in what will happen to used model 3 prices?
Used prices have dropped a lot already. Might be another small readjustment but wouldn’t think huge. You can already get one for not much more than a used Kia Niro or Hyundai Kona - and having tried both (and gone for a Tesla) they are so much better cars.
Used prices have dropped a lot already.
So a quick autotrader browse - 2019 single motors are starting about £27k, there's one advert where one is up for £30k, the description says "was £40k, now £37k" so thats been sat for a while 😉
Dual motors are starting about £31k
We need a new car come June (LEV zone in Glasgow) and I've been looking about for a while. World anyone like to critique my calculations for savings EV vs Petrol?
We're doing ~12K miles/year (split maybe 9:3 city:motorway).
If I assume average of 4miles/kWh, 80% charging efficiency 34p/kWh I get yearly costs of £1275. Petrol car assuming 40mile/gallon, £1.5/litre I get £2045. So roughly £800/year cheaper to run an EV.
Does this seem fair? If so, it takes much longer to make the money back on a EV than I thought, though not so bad if electricity prices come back down (seems unlikely anytime soon if at all).
You should do the calculations for an EV tariff like Octopus Go. Depending on your home electricity usage and how much you are willing to move things like washing machines and dishwasher usage to the overnight cheap period it can take only a single full charge of an EV per month on the off-peak to makeup for the increased peak costs.
That indeed looks a lot better - at 12p/kWh I get £1600/year cheaper with the same other values. Not sure that works for us though, which is annoying, as we've been told that we can't have a smart meter (our gas meter is in an odd place and been told they can't change it and will only do the two meters together).
(our gas meter is in an odd place and been told they can’t change it and will only do the two meters together).
Maybe take that further with your supplier. Octopus installed my smart electricity meter. I should have had a smart gas meter installed at the same time but it wouldn't fit because of some weird configuration of the pipes in the meter box but there was no problem just installing the electricity meter.
Also consider using solar if you have PV panels. My EV tariff is 11p per kWh for 4 hrs per night so v cheap, but using the Zappi charger I can also charge for free from solar if it’s sunny enough, or set the charger to eg 20% from the supply and 80% from solar, meaning you can put some extra miles on for next to nothing.
Out of interest changing to an EV tariff was cheaper for me even before we got electric cars - just by moving dishwashing, clothes washing and water heating to the night time cheap hours saved about £20 per month. Now with 2 x electric cars should change from about £330 per month total fuel costs down to about £50 charging costs.
As above, you want the cheaper tariff, so get a second and third opinion about the smart meter. We have a smart electricity meter but not gas (because our gas supplier doesn't offer them yet) so I don't know why they would insist on both. Speak to Octopus, they're great.
The best tariff is Intelligent Octopus but you need a car or charger that supports it. We're on 7.5p/kWh, which we got before the last round of price hikes, but I think long term it's likely to come back down once the gas prices have come down.
@xntrx
As per Molgrips I just had an electric smart meter installed by Octopus. However I only had electric with them, gas was with someone else. So you could try just shifting electric over to Octopus or consult them. As well as Octopus Go, there are other smart meter tariff options with Octopus such as Octopus Agile, Octopus Tracker and one or two others (^intelligent), so decide which will work best for you.
If so, it takes much longer to make the money back on a EV than I thought, though not so bad if electricity prices come back down (seems unlikely anytime soon if at all).
Petrol prices could also come back down a bit too. By the time you get the money back on an EV the battery will probably be next to useless and car worth less than ICE equivalent that cost £10K less to start with. I don't think EVs are about long term money saving and more about lessening the environmental impact of pollution (assuming you are charging from renewable energy)
We've got an EV coming shortly. It is about money saving for us - if you do decent commuting miles and will charge 100% at home on a suitable Tarif it's a big saving. Like £2k+ a year saving kind of money
The economics are definitely questionable if you do low mileage, don't have cheap rate home charging or will need to make any significant use of public charging.
Does this seem fair? If so, it takes much longer to make the money back
not sure I ever thought of an EV as a money saving exercise.
To your arithmetic, while I think Tesla back in 2017 were suggesting close to half the fuel cost my estimates have usually been between 1/2 and 2/3. That’s with regular home electricity. Supercharging with our current Teslas costs rather more per kWh. The convenience and VAT cost I suppose.
The points on off peak tariffs and smart charging are spot on if you want to reduce your costs and can shift your usage. Most of our usage is in the day so it’s not been a change we’ve made. Still cheaper than petrol though.
We are going down the route of solar and battery. Hoping this will cut costs a bit. Though at the expense of capital. System should be running next Friday.
Your new petrol car presumably will avoid the LEV zone charges? If not you might want to factor that in. If so you might want to think about the local emissions and the weak performance you’ll be getting compared to an EV.