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Saw the new EV Escalade in the news today. I guess for local air quality it's better than a big old V8 chugging away, but jeez, the sheer heft of the thing!
To give some idea of scale, the wheels are 24 inch!
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I naively hoped manufacturers would try lightening and improving aerodynamics for range on these things, but nope, just chuck a 200KWH battery in there- job done.
@Multi21. Yeah, me too. It feels like an arms race where through education and infrastructure we should be going towards lighter smaller battery cars with focus on miles per kw. And don't get me started on "ludicrous mode"! 🙂
this thing about not charging to 100% - surely the car is smart enough to work out it's own battery protection, and stop a bit short and report that figure as '100%' ?
I have only charged my i4 once so far, at home, as only had it a week and a bit. I plugged it in around 8pm and the Easee App told me it would stop at around 3am, which it did, with the display showing it at 100%.
this thing about not charging to 100% – surely the car is smart enough to work out it’s own battery protection, and stop a bit short and report that figure as ‘100%’ ?
That's exactly what they do.
And don’t get me started on “ludicrous mode”!
Whilst yes I agree with your disapproval, by making their cars really fast Tesla made EVs credible and desirable. You didn't hear milk-float gags after that, did you? Once they were desirable, they were seen as the future and other manufacturers had to catch up. And here we are.
That’s exactly what they do.
ah, that's good then. I shall not give it another thought 🙂
EV Escalade
Looks like someone's going after the US Range Rover market there
revs1972
Looks like someone’s going after the US Range Rover market there
These things make a Range Rover look like a toy car
(note, that's the old LWB model as the sites not updated yet, but it looks about right size-wise. 19ft long for example).
this thing about not charging to 100% – surely the car is smart enough to work out it’s own battery protection, and stop a bit short and report that figure as ‘100%’ ?
The car doesn't know how far you want to drive next, so can't work it all out. If you're going to need all the battery, charge it 100% just before you leave, or a close to that as you reasonably can. If you're not going need 100%, charge it to 80%. That's if you want to maximise the battery life.
What the car reports as 100% is the declared capacity. When new, it probably has 10% more that it never uses, but the battery life is "guaranteed" for 3/5/8 years, and that cushion is to enable it to still provide the nominal capacity at the end of guarantee period.
@molgrips. Yeah, you are right, there's no denying Tesla had that impact, I just kind of wish the public took to EVs based on what the Leaf had introduced but I guess that's the old man in me and my own person interests.
villageidiotdan
Free Member@molgrips. Yeah, you are right, there’s no denying Tesla had that impact, I just kind of wish the public took to EVs based on what the Leaf had introduced but I guess that’s the old man in me and my own person interests.
Yes or carried on with the i3's direction. Shame.
The Tesla direction seems quite good to me. Yes they’re silly fast but unlike ICEs that doesn’t have to come with a major drop in efficiency. They’re light for what they are and designed with low drag and maximum useable passenger space inside.
Are they going to make a city Tesla I wonder? Along the lines of the BMW i3 sort of thing. Maybe a scaled down, squashed M3z. Hopefully actually styles to suit its new proportions this time unlike the model Y.
That's a positive perspective - much as I dislike the character the Tesla is surprisingly efficient in the miles per kw stakes, and a proper 4 door car. If they could go in the city car direction (dear god why do I keep looking longingly at the Citroen Ami!?!) and improve on the efficiency even more that would be amazing. Oh, and drop Musk/cybertruck
I just kind of wish the public took to EVs based on what the Leaf had introduced
I think we have. Not many super fast EVs in the road here, just people getting around. As said, there's no real 9enalty to making an EV really fast. It doesn't mean it's less efficient, unlike an ICE, so why not give it 250 or 300bhp?
There seems to be no real down side to my Tesla being stupidly fast other than the insurance group. I rarely use the acceleration but it’s nice to know you can nip past things quickly when you need to.
Miles per kWh is better than our other EV which is half the size.
What’s wrong with them being a bit cool and fast as well as green? There seems to be a lot of Tesla bashing around but they led the way in making EVs commonplace and there are still very few if any EVs that are more efficient.
I do like the Model 3. If it had been a hatchback instead of a saloon design it would have been right at the top of my list (my car spends too much time with back seat down and a bike in the back, or full of camping gear etc to be able to compromise).
The BMW i4 and Polestar 2 do the car (not SUV) shaped hatchback thing quite well. Neither as good an “electric” car as the M3 though - less efficient etc and both the i4 is really compromised in the back because of its long bonnet / coupe style roofline. That’s partly because it shares an ICE platform but also because BMW are going after the “I like it because it still looks like a beemer” market (which is one of the reasons I chose it- never had a Beemer before but always secretly wanted one).
Fingers crossed this all converges a bit and newer generations of car blend all of the desirable features together to give some sensible options, like the ICE market had done. Oh hang on, they’re all gone towards jacked up SUV style things too, dammit. Fingers crossed that far passes.
The insurance group and tyre replacement cost featured in the buying process of the Corsa e. Tyres seemed a reasonable cost and there were a few options in the event of a damaged tyre that needed replacing, sub £100 each. I did consider a BMW i3 but the tyre options seemed to be limited to 1 tyre at £250 each.
The insurance on the Corsa e is higher than the Picanto it replaced but only by around £100 and considering the cost and performance difference between the 2 cars it was an acceptable increase.
Weve just ordered an MG4 - the first affordable car with good range. I think the industry will have to respond to that.
A week and a bit of i4 use and no negatives. It is very easy and relaxing to drive, a very comfy place to be. Performance is silly if wanted and interior and boot space pretty good. It does 4 miles/kw on average so far and that’s with climate on all the time. Our teenage sons are both 6’2” and find the back seats and headroom ok, heads quite clear of roof.
Charging at home is working out a little more than half the price for same use compared to previous diesel Q5.
^^ 👍👌
molgrips
I think we have. Not many super fast EVs in the road here, just people getting around. As said, there’s no real 9enalty to making an EV really fast. It doesn’t mean it’s less efficient, unlike an ICE, so why not give it 250 or 300bhp?
There is a small penalty, compare a Model 3 LR to a Model 3 Performance. Same size battery, 10% less range. To be honest, the LR is quick enough anyhow, full bore acceleration in the Performance made me feel travel sick!
What’s wrong with them being a bit cool and fast as well as green? There seems to be a lot of Tesla bashing around but they led the way in making EVs commonplace and there are still very few if any EVs that are more efficient.
+1 I used to think that without Tesla EVs would be 5 years behind where they are now. I now realise I was wrong they would be 10 years behind. Tesla have shown desirable EVs can be built at scale for a nice profit and, combined with an effective charging network, are a practical proposition. They have, with some help from the Chinese, dragged legacy auto, kicking and screaming, into EVs.
There is a small penalty, compare a Model 3 LR to a Model 3 Performance. Same size battery, 10% less range.
Does it come with bigger wheels? There shouldn't be any other penalty, except perhaps more friction if the performance one has two motors?
Charging at home is working out a little more than half the price for same use compared to previous diesel Q5.
I assume you haven't got an EV tariff?
There is a version with a single motor vs the performance two. There’s also a twin motor non performance one (I think that’s the Long Range) that is a bit slower than the performance. I think the single motor has a smaller battery so while more efficient has a shorter actual range.
Bjorn Nyland publishes all of his test results spreadsheets (just google “Bjorn Nyland Spreadsheet” which include these cars so I’ll look it up later.
Certainly for the i4 the single vs twin motor has a fairly significant efficiency difference . The larger wheels on the twin motor will be part of that of course.
The single motor cars are plenty quick though - the i4 40 is publishes at 5.7 secs 0-100kph but it is apparently actually a bit quicker - more like 5 secs. Is also feels quicker than the equivalent 0-60 ICE car, as in an ICE that’s recorded when everything is wound up - engine in the powerband, turbos on boost etc - all a bit noisy and frantic plus to switch from “normal” driving to accessing this level of acceleration means changing down a couple of gears waiting for the turbos to spool up etc. in an EV it’s instant - always there with no pause.
I had a 530D as a courtesy car a few weeks back - that’s quite a as 5.4 secs 0-60 and knowing BMW it’s probably actually a little quicker. If felt genuinely slow compared to the i4! Sure when the 530 was wound up it pulled hard, but that performance just wasn’t available without all the changing down palaver, so in “real world” driving it’s not a quick car at all in comparison.
There is a small penalty, compare a Model 3 LR to a Model 3 Performance. Same size battery, 10% less range.
That’s predominantly caused by the stupid big and heavy 20in wheels on the Performance model.
But in day to day use, I’ve never found it an issue, other than requiring extreme care when parking!
Weve just ordered an MG4
Good choice! We're very happy with ours. Which one did you go for. We deliberately chose the smaller battery as it meets the needs for mostly short trips. Having had it a couple of months we're wondering if we should have gone for the bigger battery as we use it as our primary car most of the time.
Still need to drop you that DM re Ionic 5. I'm about six months away from making a decision to buy my Koraq at the end of its lease, maybe trade it for 2nd hand Enyak or get something else (electric) entirely.
the most interesting feature on the escallade for me is the ability to add 100 miles in 10 minutes. If you doubled that (as tech advances, and with a car thats not quite as massive), range anxiety and massive batteries will be a thing of the past, as you can stop off and add 2 hours of driving in 5 mins.
molgrips
Does it come with bigger wheels? There shouldn’t be any other penalty, except perhaps more friction if the performance one has two motors?
Yes it does. The Performance also has different brakes and suspension, IIRC it has the same dual motor setup as an LR, but a different inverter. I assume a different rating on the tyres also.
Changing wheels on my ICE from 19 to 18, with correspondingly larger tyres (to provide the same diameter) saw about a 7% increase in fuel economy. Not least because they only make really sporty tyres in the larger size I needed and somewhat less sporty ones in the smaller size.
I assume you haven’t got an EV tariff?
no, it doesn't work out any cheaper overall given power useage profile in the house daily.
the most interesting feature on the escallade for me is the ability to add 100 miles in 10 minutes. If you doubled that (as tech advances, and with a car thats not quite as massive), range anxiety and massive batteries will be a thing of the past, as you can stop off and add 2 hours of driving in 5 mins.
Range anxiety is already not necessary if you have a 250 mile range. People still worry about it but I don't think they need to.
An Ioniq 6 can charge on paper at 350kW, but I think 220 is more typically reported. At that speed, if you do 4.5 miles/kWh you could add 80 miles in 5 mins.
The single motor cars are plenty quick though – the i4 40 is publishes at 5.7 secs 0-100kph but it is apparently actually a bit quicker – more like 5 secs. Is also feels quicker than the equivalent 0-60 ICE car, as in an ICE that’s recorded when everything is wound up – engine in the powerband, turbos on boost etc – all a bit noisy and frantic plus to switch from “normal” driving to accessing this level of acceleration means changing down a couple of gears waiting for the turbos to spool up etc. in an EV it’s instant – always there with no pause.
not very scientific, but I pulled up at a set of lights beside an M140i this am after the chap had been giving it big licks. So boy racer mode came on for a few seconds and i floored it (i4) when lights changed, braking very soon at 30 mph. I was a good car length and a bit in front of him by the time I was doing 30 and slowed down and he looked cheesed off 🙂
It was rather childish of me, as an old duffer in my mid 50's !
I did that in the Model 3 going from 30 to a 60 limit the first time we drove it just to try it out. My wife cried and was in a bad mood with me for the rest of the day…my son on the other hand thought it was great fun.
^^^ that does sound rather familiar 🙂 Having had the i4 for nearly 2 weeks now sensible head is back on mostly ..
I do find that i am using cruise most of of the time, just to make sure my speed doesn't creep up past the limit.
We are just about to hit order on a Tesla Model Y through a salary sacrifice. Any warnings I should know about? For some reason the the Model Y comes out much cheaper than a Model 3. The only reason I can think of is that they are made in Germany.
For some reason the the Model Y comes out much cheaper than a Model 3. The only reason I can think of is that they are made in Germany.
Car leases aren't only based on the price of the car, they are based on the price less the residual value. So cars predicted to depreciate less after 3 years are cheaper to lease. Model Y is the most popular EV ATM IIRC so they are probably predicting high residuals.
With that in mind, talk of dropping EV second hand prices may well be driving up new lease deals too.
It appears that longer range 3rd gen EVs are still holding value. Ioniq 5s and iD4s etc are still pretty expensive second hand.
not very scientific, but I pulled up at a set of lights beside an M140i this am after the chap had been giving it big licks. So boy racer mode came on for a few seconds and i floored it (i4) when lights changed, braking very soon at 30 mph. I was a good car length and a bit in front of him by the time I was doing 30 and slowed down and he looked cheesed off 🙂
It was rather childish of me, as an old duffer in my mid 50’s !
Ha, I do this all the time in the ix3.
Quite often if my eldest is in the passenger seat , he will press the button to put it into sport at the lights. No words needed 🙂
Just seen a thread on Facebook by a German owner of both a Ford Mach-e and a 2 litre MX5 ND. He calculated fuel costs per 100km as 9 Euro for the Mazda and 8 Euro for the Ford.
Yeah you need the cheap leccy to get the super cost savings.
@iainc keep an eye on the various tariffs on offer as the calculation may change. The rates are all very different to when I signed up.
@iainc keep an eye on the various tariffs on offer as the calculation may change. The rates are all very different to when I signed up.
Very true
There's little in the day rate between Octopus Go 30.27 p/kWh and Flexible Octopus April 2023 29.97 p/kWh with the same standing charge.
We are just about to hit order on a Tesla Model Y through a salary sacrifice. Any warnings I should know about? For some reason the the Model Y comes out much cheaper than a Model 3. The only reason I can think of is that they are made in Germany.
I saw this when we were wondering about replacing my SO’s Model 3. 🤷🏻♂️ why the Model Y is so much cheaper. Production volume? Is the design a bit simpler with the hatch rather than the boot (I’d not have thought it made a big difference)?
between the two, the Model 3 is more ‘fun’ to drive being a bit lower and a little bit smaller. The Model Y is more practical. And the all-glass roof is nicer than the split one in the Model 3 imo.
Warnings? Not really. One might be - RTFM as folks mention ‘so many menus to turn on the fog lights’ for example. IRL you just tap the lights icon on the display and the option pops up. Similar with changing the seat heating - just press the steering wheel button and say ‘my butt is cold/hot’ - done! Also, take your time setting the various options in the controls. It is easy to miss a feature and wonder why the car doesn’t do what you expected. Oh, and don’t get FSD - waste of money. Take time to get used to the automated driving assistance - it does not see what you see and while it is AOK on motorways, and with EAP such driving is a breeze, it can surprise on urban roads at times.
If I had my time again I’d be tempted to get the ‘P’. But in the end probably wouldn’t, again. decide before you press the ‘buy’ button.
He calculated fuel costs per 100km as 9 Euro for the Mazda and 8 Euro for the Ford
did he also calculate emissions?
Having EVed in Germany I can confirm that the cost of leccy at some charge points is higher than petrol for an equvalent ICE car. I'd also like to point out that each time there was a cheaper charge point at the same service station/hub, and within a couple of kms there were charge points at half the highest price on the 'bahn.
Yup. Same in Blighty.
Cambridge services on the A24 for example.
People paying 26p the ionity units
People paying 69p at the same IONITY units
People paying 69p at gridserv
People charging for free at the slower business provided chargers over the road
Etc etc. it’s quite a complex picture out there
I've been spreadsheeting again, calculating the rather eye-watering cost of motoring including tax, insurance and the finance we'd need or currently have. Given my usage from last year, and ignoring the overhead from caravan towing because the add-on cost of that would be about the same regardless of the option I choose so it can be rolled into holiday cost, the results are as follows in terms of cost per month:
Current diesel + replacement Ioniq = £750/mo (!)
Current diesel alone = £486/mo
Ioniq 5 = £594/mo
So an Ioniq 5 comes in at only £108/mo more than the Merc alone, and for that we get a 2 or even 1 year old car (which is still under warranty) rather than a 10 year old one, we get no DPF/short journey worries, a load of extra safety gear and no tailpipe emissions.
The dark horse here is a long range Kona which would come in cheapest of all at £445/mo but that would mean giving up the caravan and getting a trailer tent instead.
Cheaper EVs are available of course, but I'd be less happy with most of those options.
Edit, daft question !
The Ioniq 5 calcs are based on getting a really good deal on one though.
The other option I didn't consider was a super cheap EV which means an old Leaf or Zoe. Hmm.
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Yeah you need the cheap leccy to get the super cost savings.@iainc keep an eye on the various tariffs on offer as the calculation may change. The rates are all very different to when I signed up.
on the back of this I have today made the switch to octopus intelligent. It swops over on Tuesday from Scottish Power, hopefully seamlessly…..
The starting monthly figure is £100 less than we are presently paying, and based on todays readings i have a bit over £400 credit on the Scottish Power account, which I hope they rebate to my bank account ?
The Octopus app confirms that my car and Easee charger are compatible so will link them up after the switch over.
Buying an old Leaf in addition to keeping the diesel would cost us an extra £75/mo over only having the diesel and commuting in that. Just need to find a good one.
There’s little in the day rate between Octopus Go 30.27 p/kWh and Flexible Octopus April 2023 29.97 p/kWh with the same standing charge.
Agile Octopus has been great for Mrs S hybrid. Last month we averaged 16.64p/kWh and the month before 18.64p.
Apologies, I am sure it's well recorded online but could I ask why you opted for agile over tracker and how you maximise that more frequent pricing please?
I'm on tracker and conscious that I'd want quite a saving for the extra "overhead" of thinking about things every hour.
The hybrid only needs 2.5 hours to fully charge on the wall charger so it's easy to pick a slot to optimise rates (usually around 02:30). In fact we sometimes charge twice a day and we even get surge pricing where we get paid to use electricity. Here are the cheapest 1/2 hourly periods today
12:00 - 12:30 5.93p/kWh
12:30 - 13:00 5.5p/kWh
13:00 - 13:30 4.95p/kWh
13:30 - 14:00 0.09p/kWh
14:00 - 14:30 1.36p/kWh
14:30 - 15:00 0.48p/kWh
In theory price can go way up to something like £2/kWh but very rare and we haven't had anything like that since we started in April.
I had my first failed fast DC CCS charge attempt today.
ChargePoint 150kw charger. Tried using my chargepoint card but it didn't work. Used my debit card and got to plug in charger then it failed.
2 pending £15 charges later, I called the helpline and had a nice chat with the operator.
They were able to reboot the charge point and they attempted to start the charge remotely.
The charging still failed.
The operator suggested other nearby chargers. Fortunately I was local and had '50' miles remaining.
Overall, helpful customer service.
Thankfully I had 25% battery left.
The gf suggested filling the car up with petrol and joked that hybrids were better.
We are just about to hit order on a Tesla Model Y through a salary sacrifice. Any warnings I should know about?For some reason the the Model Y comes out much cheaper than a Model 3. The only reason I can think of is that they are made in Germany.
LHD Model Y are indeed built at Giga Berlin but all the RHD Model Y come from Giga Shanghai.
Nothing to worry about, I have one myself. Its a great car. Enjoy.
For some reason the the Model Y comes out much cheaper than a Model 3. The only reason I can think of is that they are made in Germany.
I would imagine the Y is cheaper because it holds its value better, being an SUV.
As above , RHD Y made in China. I think it’s just the Perfomance version that comes out of Germany.
I would imagine the Y is cheaper because it holds its value better, being an SUV.
Yay crapitalism.
@Shinton. Thanks for that, really helpful. Christ, that's cheap, I had assumed it was largely similar to tracker rates with a little tickle down on the odd hour. Tracker today was near-as-damn-it 18p/Kw today (well, yesterday now).
We're the same (PHEV, charge twice a day most days) but I don't feel I readily control when we use our electricity (barring the odd wash, or the wife coming home at 5pm so I know we're unlikely to go out again).
"usually around 02:30". So, do you in this instance set the charger to delay until 02:30, go to bed and hope that this period is as cheap as is typically the case? I'd hate to wake up to find the rate has gone mental
“ usually around 02:30”. So, do you in this instance set the charger to delay until 02:30, go to bed and hope that this period is as cheap as is typically the case? I’d hate to wake up to find the rate has gone mental
They publish the next 24 hours rates at 4pm every day, so using an app like Octopus Compare, or the Octopus website, you can plan your charging that evening or the following day.
Yesterday afternoon was basically free to put 24kWh in the car, and there’s been a few weekends recently where the price has actually been negative, but that’s a rarity. Overall however, since I switched to Agile in April, I’ve been averaging about 15p per kWh for all use. It will obviously rise in the winter, at which point I’ll take a look at Tracker. I’d only use Intelligent or Go now if I needed to charge the car on a daily basis. That’s the only way to mitigate the high peak hours cost of those tariffs.
@bensales has it. Car gets plugged in on arrival. During the evening Mrs S checks the next days rates on the Octopus App then switches to the Hive App and sets the charger schedule for whatever time during the night is cheapest. However, the last update to the Hive App has been shambolic and it assumes you are on a smart tariff from British Gas and automatically schedules the charge for when British Gas rates are cheapest - WTF?
so using an app like Octopus Compare, or the Octopus website, you can plan your charging that evening or the following day.
Or you can use Octopus Go and it'll do it for you. Ok so it's more expensive, but still only 1.5p a mile for the car. I'll take that.
Or you can use Octopus Go and it’ll do it for you. Ok so it’s more expensive, but still only 1.5p a mile for the car. I’ll take that.
True, but being retired means we can also take advantage of cheaper rates during the day for washer, tumble dryer, charging up the ebike etc. We're not obsessive about it, so the dishwasher often goes on during the evening if it needs to but the bills have been surprisingly low since moving to Agile Octopus.
What are your total bills if you don't mind me asking?
@molgrips it varies by month. Obviously lots of solar and wind around over the last few months so costs have come down nicely e.g. last bill was £71.26 for 292 kWh.
The Model Y is cheaper because it is..... They are trying to shift a lot , and if you buy direct from Tesla the interest rate is ridiculously low for the first 3 years.
I have no answer to those who've suffered a kaput fast charger. My neighbour had his landrover on the back of a recovery truck a few weeks ago as his ICE engine had died. Again. Some you win, some you lose.
I have no answer to those who’ve suffered a kaput fast charger.
Mine is having the domestic plug charger in the car and a variety of apps on the phone. Even if there are no public chargers there are EV owners who sign up to an app and let other EV owners charge for a modest sum. There's always somewhere to charge rather than end up on the back of a breakdown truck, it might not be fast though.
@Edukator didn't you have an older Zoe? Are they worth considering for a cheap second car? I don't know much about how the batteries hold up.
I wouldn't buy one of the original Zoé 23kWh fast charge Continental motor Zoes. The 22kWh charge models held up better but I wouldn't buy one now unless the battery has been replaced with the 41kWh battery (in France at least a swap at a reasonable price was offered). Even the most recent 23kWh batteries will be around 10% down on capacity - short commutes only and expensive to own if it's still on a battery lease scheme.
The first of the Zoe 41 kWh are about six years old now and holding up very well. At an anecdotal level they lose very little capacity and are reliable, especially the most basic models. If you can find one with outright purchase and some guarantee left cheap enough then why not.
IMO the bargains are the three-year-old Zoe 50s that are on the second-hand market at present. In the UK they go for about £14000 with 5 years of battery guarantee left and maybe some of the optioanl 5 year guarantee too. In terms of cost of ownership going forward and price/mile that's the model I'd buy if I didn't already own one. 😉
The budget is about £6k. If I were spending £13-15k I'd have another Ioniq without hesitation.
Even the most recent 23kWh batteries will be around 10% down on capacity
Compared to a Leaf that isn't bad. But there is some confusion over the battery life reporting, because there are conflicting sources. On Leafs there's a battery health display on the dash that has 12 bars, so losing one bar doesn't seem too bad (which is what many have). If you plug in an OBD2 and read the health it reports anything up to 80% as 12 bars, but there's some suggestion that isn't the whole story as it doesn't seem to affect range by 80%. And other manufacturers aren't necessarily reporting in the same way.
The car would only be used for local commuting so range isn't important at all. So I'd rather have a 22kWh car with a healthy battery than a 41kWh with a less healthy battery, because of future longevity.
Is there a battery health display on the Zoe? Do they have active battery cooling? It sounds like they do.
The more recent 41kWh is far more likely to have a healthy battery because it is newer, has had lower charging stress as it only had a 22kW AC charger for a 41kWh battery and Renault have got better at making batteries with better battery management. They've always used high quality cells from LG IIRC for the period you are looking at.
The Continental 210 23kWh Zoe had a 43kW charger, that really wasn't a good idea, avoid.
The more recent 41kWh is far more likely to have a healthy battery
Not in budget though.
Not overly bothered about not being able to fast charge as it's extremely unlikely to ever need it.
Got the iX up to 2.9m/kwh this weekend. Yay.
I think I'd risk 2 trips to FoD in it on one charge providing I didn't do much other driving between.
@villageidiotdan
I'm on Tracker V1. Tracker is an average of Agile as far as I can tell, I guess Tracker might be better for families where you have to consume at peak times (and don't have an ev), Agile might be better if you can shift your usage to take advantage of cheaper hours. Agile might also be good, over say Octopus Go, if you have a car charger which can cherry pick the very cheapest 30 min segments thru a night, like the Ohme charger. so in the example it might charge 03.00-04.00 and 4.30-05.00
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Agile might also be good, over say Octopus Go, if you have a car charger which can cherry pick the very cheapest 30 min segments thru a night, like the Ohme charger
So you're saying do the same thing that Go does, but manually, and it will save cash.
If only I knew someone who knows about IT automation and can write software.
Sorry Don't know what you mean, Agile doesn't do the same thing as Go and the ohme charger cherry picking the cheapest times is not manual.
It seems to me that Go is a similar mechanic to Tracker in terms of guaranteed pricing, Agile is more of a gamble and to a greater degree relies on your input, if that's what you mean by 'manual'
Got the iX up to 2.9m/kwh this weekend. Yay.
My Corsa e seems to be averaging 4.4m/kWh, over 300+miles.
Around town nearer 5m/kWh.
Octopus are fitting an ohme charger tomorrow and the other half has chosen to go on the Intelligent octopus tariff. The 7.5p KW between 11:30 and 05:30 should be good enough.
Daytime cheap electricity isn't a high priority at the moment so it should be fine.
Oh I'm thinking of Go then. The charger picks when the electricity is cheapest for Octopus, but you pay a guaranteed price for any electricity that goes to the car.
Agile is more of a gamble and to a greater degree relies on your input, if that’s what you mean by ‘manual’
With these low prices on Agile Octopus I really should install a smart plug on the immersion heater then use IFTTT to integrate with Hive to heat the hot water. Gas boiler is normally a much cheaper way to heat water than electric but not recently. Apologies for drifting off topic.
Edit - no that won't work!