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If it's a work scheme there may not be a deposit (apologies if missed the point).
Currently pay 230/month for a Nissan Leaf including insurance, maintenance, tyres and breakdown. No deposit. Ridiculously cheap. Also means the petrol car gets filled once every other month or less now...
How much are we talking for a home charger?
Until the end of March anyone who owns or has ordered an EV can get a £350 government grant toward a charger. After that it will be limited to flats and rental properties. Mine was about £900 but there was a bit of digging to get the cable to it, and it's a Zappi, which has some clever ways to use my solar panels when they're producing enough.
If it’s a work scheme there may not be a deposit (apologies if missed the point).
No it was reference a personal rental on a 22 grand Vauxhall Corsa.....
No deposit mentioned.
Despite when looking at the carwow page on rental it wants 5grand up front to get 220 quid monthly.....
My last car wasn't much more than the deposit outright.....and was 3 years old with 5000 miles on the clock -was a full size family car and best of all....wasn't a Vauxhall
My work is now offering the salary sacrifice scheme.
Seriously looking at the MG ZS Trophy Connect. It has all the toys the more expensive cars have, claimed 276 miles range and a decent sized boot. Leaf is the only other affordable one but it’s a bit too small for my needs.
Anyone looked at the MG. Yes it’s a Chinese car essentially, but it’s made by a huge corporation, and on the scheme I need not worry about maintenance issues.
As you say, with maintenance included, reliability isn’t really an issue. They look decent enough - you see a few around.
and best of all….wasn’t a Vauxhall
Didn't you once declare love for a Frontera? 🤣
Didn’t you once declare love for a Frontera? 🤣
Also not a Vauxhall.... But by the by it was so good because it was so shit.
I also was very vocal about how out of line the pedals seat and steering wheel all were you practically had to be Mr squiggle to drive it.
Mean while. I was in an up! Today....an up! GTi but if the electric ones got a similar interior space it's a fair car for its size. Unlike the spring it's 4 adults and a couple of tooth brushes. The spring is a couple of adults and a couple of kids or toothbrushes....but not both ....the fake engine noise in the GTi was a bit much for me haha
an up! GTi but if the electric ones got a similar interior space it’s a fair car for its size
The dealer showed us an ICE Up! before we ordered the e-Up! as they didn't have an electric one on site. So far as I can tell the interior space is the same. I haven't actually found where the battery is yet. It's the only car I've ever driven where I don't need the driver's seat as far back as it will go (although there's not much space for somebody to sit behind me).
Work colleague has an E Corsa. Without really looking you wouldn't even know it was an e-car. He's really happy with his.
best of all….wasn’t a Vauxhall
But is now. Sort of 😉
A few of you have mentioned that you've taken the plunge on an Enyaq. How are you finding them?
We've just grown to a family of 4, so the leaf that we've had for the past 2 years isn't now going to cut it in terms of luggage space. Our requirements are now to have a car that will do 150 miles in the winter in one hit (Leaf struggles to do much more that 100 miles on the motorway in winter), option to put a towbar on for a bike rack and have a big enough boot for the family.
We drove the MG5 EV at the weekend and were suitably impressed, but no towing currently until the facelifted version arrives in Q3 of this year. So question is whether we wait for this or splash out on the Skoda as this will cost us a bit more.
Well our EV had a puncture this morning. I can't help thinking it's related to the fuel type. EVs are clearly rubbish.
Are the Skodas available in reasonable lead times though? Remember reading that VW ID3/4 have long lead times.
@Kryton57 you need to ask this question to about the EV6 and factor it in. I've got it's sister car, an Ioniq 5 on order since October and there's still no confirmed build/ship date just a hypothetical one that keeps sliding. I suspect that from the original estimate of Feb-Mar it's going to be six months plus before I get it. Not too critical (beyond the new car want frustration) as I'm privately selling the older car but would be if you were trying to time the return of another lease car.
My brother-in-law (who lives in LA where they are built) is just about to test drive a top spec one of these. Apparently they have a huge showroom with just the single vehicle in the middle of it LOL! Ohh, and you have to pay to take a test drive (refundable if you order one).
Nice!
Anyone looked at the MG. Yes it’s a Chinese car essentially, but it’s made by a huge corporation, and on the scheme I need not worry about maintenance issues.
I tried one the car quality was fine but there were a few niggles that put me off, they're personal so might not bother you. I found the centre console was obtrusive, I kept banging my arm on it when driving normally, the lane keep assist was overly sensitive and aggressive when driving on country lanes (it's a bit too digital), the efficiency was a bit disappointing, the boot is quite narrow and despite an adjustable boot floor there is a sizeable step when the rear seats are folded, and they don't fold down flat.
The biggest issue is that I think the MG5 is better in almost everything (as well as being cheaper) apart from the infotainment and the lack of app control which means you can't pre-heat the systems before you set off, both are supposed to be coming in the new 5 which means it's daft to buy the old one now without a decent discount.
I've been driving the original MG ZS EV for about 2 years now, my main issues have been winter charging rates on rapids, lots of creaks (mine is a very early build) and lack of charge and preheat timers. I've driven the new 77kWh version and it's a big improvement over mine, nicer dash, feels better put together, battery heater for winter, charger timer, pre-heat and app, not worth me changing but would be on my list to look at.
I've also driven the MG5 (old short range) much better put together, handles better than the ZS but was still slow to charge (less than 30kW at around 2C air temp), MG5 LR is due another face lift later this year where it'll gain a much nicer grill-less front end.
Why does nobody ever include the considerable deposits when talking about lease/PCP etc?
@trailrat - When I did my comparison, the deposit contribution for each (Pterol/EV) was 3months down, not £5k.
But like others have said, there's also no deposit required for a car through work.
Bye bye petrol and diesel passenger Berlingos:
The electric ones get a price cut though to stay under the grant threshold.
Moving passenger vans to electric only is a Stellantis-wide move, expect same for Peugeot and Vauxhall equivalents.
Are the Skodas available in reasonable lead times though?
Nope.
When I did my comparison, the deposit contribution for each (Pterol/EV) was 3months down, not £5k.
Still not seeing that for a Corsa.
It has come down but it's still 9down (2400) 260 a Month
But thats only for 5000 miles a year.......half the average usage.
A few of you have mentioned that you’ve taken the plunge on an Enyaq. How are you finding them?
I’ll tell you in 26 weeks! 😂 #Leadtimes
Leadtimes are shocking. We were initially looking at a hybrid Tiguan or Skoda Enyaq, but zero availability until Summer!
We settled on a Kia e-Niro 4+ and are really enjoying it. Having downsized from a Merc S213 estate, there’s little I’m missing, apart from badge snobbery! 😂
My company car Enyaq (with towbar, never had a towbar bike rack before!) will hopefully be delivered in a few weeks so can tell you after that. 6 month wait for mine but the lead times are more like a year now apparently. Skoda app is supposed to be shocking for what it's worth, pre-heating failing to operate sounds like the biggest problem which would be bloody annoying #firstworldproblems
Looking forward to it but can't quite shake the feeling that the timing isn't great with electricity prices going through the roof and the charging infrastructure not keeping up with rate of EV uptake. Still, it's not like fossil fuels are cheap I guess.
Skoda app is supposed to be shocking
I assume it's a rebadging of the VW app ("WeConnect"), in which case I agree.
But like others have said, there’s also no deposit required for a car through work.
Not everyone has that option (seems rather presumptuous to assume anything like the majority do) or is in a position where that would be in any way sensible though. I may be made redundant or change jobs during my lease (this isn't hypothetical, it's a very real possibility).
I assume it’s a rebadging of the VW app (“WeConnect”), in which case I agree.
Same as MyAudi too but they sacked the guy charge of it and it has improved in recent months.
I can only speak of my experience, but my co. / Tusker have protection built in for redundancy or reduced income (furlough etc.) i.e. if it happens you're not liable. If you are made redundant, I think you get to keep the car for 3 months whilst you sort another, but don't have to pay for the 3 months.
Not everyone has that option (seems rather presumptuous to assume anything like the majority do) or is in a position where that would be in any way sensible though.
And if you'd read the whole thing, you'd note that I didn't presume that everyone had that option.
As usual squirrelking, you're very quick to point out what can't be done and why it's not suitable for you and thus why EVs are bad. We get it, you don't like/want/can't_afford/don't_want_to_finance/doesn't_suit_your requirements/etc, but it seems rather presumptuous to assume anything like the majority" of people on this thread have entirely similar constraints.
I'm a scientist, but also a pragmatist - I prefer to think of what's possible, no matter how hard it might be to visualise and actualise, rather than to focus on very specific reasons why something can't be done. If I/we did that all the time, nothing would change for the better.
Not everyone can finance an EV or afford one now, but manufacturers know that. But enough people can and do to buy all the cars they are currently making (and then some, according to the anecdotes above). This will change in a few years' time because they will start making more and more cheaply.
First frosty morning in our car and the economy was down to 2.9m/kWh, on the same trip that used to give us 5.2 in the summer. I think it might be because it's a slow speed trip the whole way, which means there's little waste heat from the drivetrain and the heat pump (or just heater?) has to do it all.
As usual squirrelking, you’re very quick to point out what can’t be done and why it’s not suitable for you and thus why EVs are bad
And as usual you miss the mark completely and come to a conclusion based on opinion rather than fact. Tell me where I suggested EV's were bad? I never. I'm just agreeing with trail_rat that your figures are pish and cherry picked to suit your agenda. You're constantly shifting goal posts, the latest being that nobody talks about deposits because they can get them from work. I simply pointed out not all of us have or want that option and in a general discussion about EV's I don't see the problem. As a supposed pragmatist and scientist I'd frankly expect better, acknowledging other arguments without shouting them down for a start. Usual STW 'unable to think of any situation other than my own as being anything other than an edge case' mentality.
As for the Tusker redundancy protection, that's after an initial 3 month exclusion (presumably from delivery rather than order) which given the entirely unknown lead times could well result in a car being delivered at a bad time and you being on the hook for 6 months of charges to terminate. Sounds silly really, which is why company cars aren't for everyone, sounds pretty pragmatic to me yes?
What efficiencies are people with 64kwh e-niros seeing long term?
Currently weighing up between that and an EV6. Ranges look similar, but the e-niro does it from a smaller battery, EV6 charges considerably faster.
According to the app, our eNiro has average 6.48 km/kWh over the last month. That is in temperatures down to -20C and a mix of long distance driving (at 110km/h-ish) and town over approximately 2000km.
A question for the ID3 drivers if I may. My wife has an ID3 registered in July 21 (I think..) and the **** thing keeps yanking on the handbrake and kicking me out of drive/reverse during low speed manoeuvres and it's pissing me off (mainly from a safety perspective as we live on a main road and it has a habit of doing it, sometimes more than once!, as I'm reversing onto the drive).
I think I posted about this previously and after a bit of digging on various forums there seemed to be a consensus that in reverse if you look over your shoulder and unweight the drivers seat it thinks you're getting out of the car and jams the brakes on. This is not the case as the car is now doing the same stunt when going forwards! (and I've adjusted my reversing tekkers to not unweight the drivers seat as much and it still does it).
I think the issue is partly to do with the behaviour, and more specifically the lack of precision, of the throttle. Our driveway is slightly downhill so when pulling off the drive in the ID3 I'm very gentle on the throttle and the behaviour is thus: press pedal lightly>nothing>nothing>nothing>press a bit more>lurch forward towards path/road>lift off>car jams brakes on automatically.
I have absolutely none of this in my Model 3, where I can just meter out exactly how much power I want very precisely. Does anyone else get this behaviour in the ID3? I feel like VW need to sort the map (is it still a map in an EV?!) out on this car pronto! Thoughts/views on this most welcome.
Thanks
I've read/seen that the eNiro is more efficient than the EV6.
saying that the eNiro is not a dedicated EV, the EV6 is and it has better charging speeds.
We have an eNiro and its ace but I've be going for the EV6 this time around
The EV6/Ioniq5 are less efficient than the e-Niro/EKona, but they are much bigger vehicles. They do have bigger batteries so range is still better.
The new cars charge much faster on ultra fast Commercial chargers like Ionity and Gridserve, but the same on home chargers, meaning a full charge a5 home takes longer for the EV6/I5.
For clarity, I’m awaiting an Ioniq 5 AWD through my work Salary Sacrifice Tusker scheme.
Currently weighing up between that and an EV6
If the e-Niro is like a Hyundai Kona, then the EV6/Ioniq5 is a different class of car altogether - bigger, more premium, more advanced and more expensive.
lightly>nothing>nothing>nothing>press a bit more>lurch forward towards path/road>lift off>car jams brakes on automatically.
Something to do with the regen settings or one-pedal driving?
That’s correct - Kona/eNiro are sister cars on the same platform.
My Ev6 order (from May in the preorder windows) got delayed from October to January and is now June. So frustrating as the dealer is completely useless at communicating anything, I have to initiate everything. Also, it's not really the dealer's fault it's Kia manufacturing being delayed and not communicating that to dealers (presumably silicon chip shortages).
The carwow range test suggested that the EV6 can do 90% wltp range on the run they did ~ 3.7m/kWh. I could live with that, but the e-niro sounds like it should be better at the balance of lower charge rate.
As for the Tusker redundancy protection, that’s after an initial 3 month exclusion (presumably from delivery rather than order) which given the entirely unknown lead times could well result in a car being delivered at a bad time and you being on the hook for 6 months of charges to terminate. Sounds silly really, which is why company cars aren’t for everyone, sounds pretty pragmatic to me yes?
Er.... no. If you got made redundant whilst the car was on order you would walk away having not paid anything and not owing anything. The company would foot the bill to return to Tusker, not the individual - you would have left! (Presumably Tusker then put it into their "READY RIGHT NOW" pool of cars to sell out.") If there was an overlap, say the car arrives but you only have a month to work your redundancy notice, you'd pay 1 month, keep the car for an additional 3 months once employment terminated, but not pay for those three months. It's designed to leave you not in the absolute sh1t should the worst happen.
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A question for the ID3 drivers if I may. My wife has an ID3 registered in July 21 (I think..) and the **** thing keeps yanking on the handbrake and kicking me out of drive/reverse during low speed manoeuvres and it’s pissing me off (mainly from a safety perspective as we live on a main road and it has a habit of doing it, sometimes more than once!, as I’m reversing onto the drive).
@nickewen - simple answer, no, our iD3 has never done that, and we reverse on and off our drive regularly. It does sometimes put the normal brake on at very low manoeuvring speeds, I assume it's detected something it doesn't like. But never the parking brake.
lightly>nothing>nothing>nothing>press a bit more>lurch forward towards path/road>lift off>car jams brakes on automatically.
Something to do with the regen settings or one-pedal driving?
@molgrips - It seems to behave like this in both D and B (one pedal) mode when going forwards. It's almost as if they've tried to deliberately make it behave like an ICE auto.. rather than embracing what you can do with the characteristics of the driver controls with an electric drivetrain. The throttle behaviour is closer to my old M135i ZF auto than it is to the Tesla.. which is odd!
Thanks @tlr that's interesting. Does it kick you out of drive/reverse when it applies the normal brake? It's pretty aggressive when it happens in ours and will just stop you dead in your tracks..
Nope, never had to put it back 'in gear'.
We always drive in B mode, sport setting.