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The Airedale Hospital one is at the main Entrance (not A&E) it’s at a 10min short stay pickup/drop off area, in the corner. it sometimes gets blocked but often a person is sat in the car dropping off or picking up. There’s a little shop just inside the entrance as well.
There’s one in a car park in Silsden as well, but it’s yet to be connected. Keighley Leisure centre just off the main trunk road, Keighley Church Green(haven’t used that) and Bingley Train Station. There’s also Ilkley and Otley (I’ve used the Otley one a few times as my Mum lives there)
Cheers mate. Still planning on Octopus with your code!
Have a time based charge that progressively ramps up the longer they stay after recharge or 80%*?
I’ll stick with free and wait for a slot thanks.
We got a Hyundai Kona Eletric a couple of months ago.
It's been great so far! It's not the fastest EV but it's got a good punch in sport mode (far too much go for it's skinny tyres to cope with in the wet).
Can tell it's a petrol car that's been converted to EV though, for instance the boot has nowhere for you to put a charge cable, they give you a bag that floats around in the boot?! Also looks really good from the front but not so much from other angles haha.
But having had fast BMs for the last decade I'm a total convert to EV, but I think I'd try and get a purpose built EV next time.
P.s. does anyone know why an EV still has a standard 12v battery? or is that because of the petrol -> EV conversion?
The 12v battery runs all the lower voltage stuff, so lights, central locking, wipers etc. It is also always connected. The high voltage "traction" battery in an EV is normally physically disconnected by a breaker switch when it is turned off, so one job of the 12v is to re-connect the big battery when you "start" the car. That's why an EV won't start if the 12v runs flat, and will need jump starting similar to an ICE car.
(as I understand it anyway.)
Even Tesla have 12v and they're ground up EV.
hybrids won't start without a 12v but I'm not sure about pure EV. 🧐
you can camp in a tesla all night with the heaters and screen on, I assume the car has an onboard charger from HV to 12v as I think the screen is 12v.
Arent Electric cars a bit like cheating ? 😉 😛
a bit like cheating
You mean "sexy and much more fun than the tired old wreck that smells a bit"? 😉
I’ll stick with free and wait for a slot thanks.
Yeah just so you know when the time comes your opinions about as valid as toast.
Up here they did almost exactly as suggested by the previous poster in city centre free charge points to stop folk using then to park all day meaning those in need of charge couldn't get to them.
Looking to replace our yeti and I was going to lease a hybrid as approx 95% of our journeys would suit the crappy 20 mile range and the engine would be very handy for the 10 (or so) longer trips a year. Feels like I should really go all in and go EV.
So, 200 mile drive in a leaf. would you realistically be looking at a 30/40min rapid charge after 100 miles? Whats that cost? to charge up
Cost varies by provider and for some you pay a subscription. But say someone like Instavolt who just operate pay-as-you-go style contactless chargers with no membership etc, they charge 35p per kWh I believe. So a 30 minute charge on a standard 50kW rapid charger would give you 25kWh of charge which would be £8.75 assuming it charges at full whack. And say you do around 3.5 miles per KWh, that will have given you ~85 miles of added range.
(In reality as the battery gets fuller it slows down the charge, so you may not get a full 50kW rate for that time, especially on a Leaf which doesn't like rapid chargers that much due to lack of active battery cooling.)
cheers ace. just what i needed to know
Whats that cost? to charge up
Varies greatly - as mentioned above my local charger is provided by the council and is FREE to use. And that isn't as unusual as you'd think.
Just got the opportunity to get a Hyundai Kona on a mini lease. I thought it would be a good way of putting a toe in the e-mobility waters so I thought I'd give it a go. Car arrives next week. I intend to have a Pod Point 7kW home charger installed so once that's fitted I reckon 99% of all charging will be done at home. I've registered with Zap Map and as I'll be using the car for a few trips to Scotland I thought I'd get a Charge Scotland card (if England residents are allowed them). Anything else I should be doing like taking out a charging network subscription with any of the other providers or downloading their apps?
Same battery & drivetrain as my Soul uponthedowns. I've had zero need to do a long journey yet where i'm going to have to charge up to get back home.
Speaking to a work colleague yesterday and his 6 week old E Corsa has had to be picked up yesterday as it's making a very strange unsettling noise.He said it was driving fine but sounded like it was going to blow up 🙂
mini lease?
do tell me more.
mini lease?
do tell me more.
My company is switching between company car providers and employees like me who's vehicles needed replacing before we were set up with the new provider got put on so-called mini-leases with our old provider. Basically we get a new car until it has 10,000 miles or a year old then its replaced. Sounds great but I can't order a car to my spec and I have to take what they've got in their mini-lease fleet. Fortunately this time in addition to stuff like Skoda Octavia's, Golfs and Audi A4s they have a load of Hydundai Konas so I thought I'd give one a try. I was planning to get a plug in hybrid as my next permanent 4 year lease vehicle but if the Kona goes well I may well go for a BEV. Tesla Model Y would be ideal but I don't think they'll be in the country before I move to a new 4-year lease.
nice, let us know how you get on.
Doubt we'll see the Model Y before 2022 but sounds like the ID4 and Skoda Enyaq will be here early/mid next year. Hoping so and that they appear on our company car list.
The only BEVs on the list at the moment are the Model 3 (too small) and the XC4O Recharge. Again think that might be too small with 3 kids but 4WD and 400bhp sounds tempting. Unnecessary, but tempting.
Anything else I should be doing like taking out a charging network subscription with any of the other providers or downloading their apps?
If you are already on ZapMap then just have a look what providers are most common in the areas you'll be travelling.
ZapMap also have some useful stats on the market shares etc:
https://www.zap-map.com/statistics/#share
If anyone was thinking about the MG5 estate as a practical EV bike-lugger note that the permitted roof load is actually zero. Marketing info (which had showed a bike on the roof) have been changed. The roof rails on the higher spec one are apparently cosmetic only.
https://www.speakev.com/threads/no-roof-load.155387/
The roof rails on the higher spec one are apparently cosmetic only.
WTF???
That’s as daft as the BMW leccy we looked at where the salesperson casually mentioned that you couldn’t put anything heavy in the boot because the battery was under it. 😳
That’s why an EV won’t start if the 12v runs flat, and will need jump starting similar to an ICE car.
(as I understand it anyway.)
True. A significant amount of time is spent at work having to jump-start cars with flat batteries, and up until recently we had close on 3000 cars across our site and storage areas. It gets pretty tedious pretty quickly. The Teslas that come in are put on charge, as are any pure EV’s, (not that we get many of those yet) but hybrids just get put with everything else.
We did have a Toyota Mira in, but that went out on a transporter - they’re hydrogen fuel-cell tech, and it had 72 miles range left in the tank, and there’s no filling stations locally can handle that.
the XC4O Recharge.
Not a small car, we’ve got several, and the boss has one, I had to move one out of storage for a transporter on Monday, and they’re not dainty! Roughly the same length as an Octavia, at a guess, and a lot taller. Lovely to drive, I would guess an electric version would be pretty rapid, and quiet.
I read today that Toyota are bringing out a new EV with a solid-state battery - gives around 310 miles range, but can be charged in 10 minutes! Now that could be the game-changer.
@CountZero - how does the XC4O interior compare size wise to a Passat estate? Boot looks a bit pokey from the outside and also think the back seats likely to be smaller overall for three passengers. Need to get to a dealer for a look really
I'm still just amazed at GrahamS' Leaf at such a daft cheap price - insurance and servicing means the cost of that Leaf is maybe £70 a month?
Personally I’m still struggling with car choice. We wanted an SUV and the full electric Xc40 would be perfect but Crikey it’s not cheap. With now only 9 years until diesel is gone, throwing 20k on 2nd hand diesel GLC in the interim seems a waste and that we’d be throwing a Merc away in 2030.
it feels to me that running our Kuga as bangernomics for a couple more years until new electric cars at cheaper prices become available, albeit a new DPF is on the horizon. Feels environmentally counter intuitive to me.
With now only 9 years until diesel is gone, throwing 20k on 2nd hand diesel GLC in the interim seems a waste and that we’d be throwing a Merc away in 2030.
They're banned from sale, not from use.
That's right about pure EV needing the 12V lead acid to run, well it is for a Leaf anyway.
The 12v system is required to energise the HV system and run all the usual stuff like control units, radio, etc. Then when the car is in run mode the lithium battery keeps the 12V topped up.
I've had to jump start a Leaf several times even though the lithium battery had entry of charge.
Joined the club today
Well, I installed this today - it's 11kw 3 phase & replaces a 7.2kw single phase charger, users say it's 3.5 to 4 times faster to charge their cars.
Cost £1195 less 18% discount plus about £50 for some 16mm cable & a 40A MCB
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That makes no sense. How can an 11kw charger be 3-4 times faster?
My car has a 33kwh battery pack. On a 7kw charger this takes just under 5 hours from empty, with the car taking 7kw for 91% of the pack and then slowing to 5kw for the next 4% and 3kw for the remaining 5%. I can see that it would be 50% faster for 90% of the charge, but how could it possibly by 300-400% faster?
3-4 times faster than a three pin plug?
I think my 3 phase charge point is theoretically 3x a single. The limitation is in the car, for which 11kw is common. Mine's max is about 17kw which also isn't 3x faster, but it's not so far off.
It makes no difference for overnight charging but on accession has been handy.
But those chargers up there state 11kw.
My guess would be that when two cars were charging when it was on single phase that each was getting just over 3kw, whereas now, each car is getting the full 11kw. Which would be 3.5* faster.
For a single charge point it would only be 50% faster.
Is rapid charging at home something that's needed? I thought most would charge overnight when they're in bed so 3 or 7kw would be sufficient?
Is rapid charging at home something that’s needed? I thought most would charge overnight when they’re in bed so 3 or 7kw would be sufficient?
That^ looks like a commercial Rolec unit not a domestic, so could be for delivery vehicles or whatever.
Nice whip @bensales! The facelift M3 looks much better with the chrome delete and I think it also benefits from a heat pump that will help with range. Enjoy, they are absolutely silly fast! I still drive around laughing like a lunatic at the turn of pace on mine, 9 months in. Great cars
The facelift M3 looks much better with the chrome delete
They had them at Leeds at the end of November, I'm sure on black it looks good but I wasn't so taken with the black trim on white (which of course is the base colour now). With the ^Blue it looks better I think yes.
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Is rapid charging at home something that’s needed? I thought most would charge overnight when they’re in bed so 3 or 7kw would be sufficient?
Yeah, >7kw not really needed at home. It's really only once in a blue moon that an overnight 7kw wouldn't have done the job. More applicable for locations you might be at for a couple of hours or other applications like commercial maybe.
NB none of these is "rapid" as such. All basic AC speeds and charging over a few hours.
However slightly faster charging can be a "nice to have" and if you happen to have a 3 phase connection etc, I think it doesn't cost much more to install a 3 phase charge point over a single phase. Eg a Tesla wall connector is essentially the same hardware either way.
If you have a big battery car and are on Octopus Go tariff, you might want a faster than 7.2kw home charger to be able to charge within the 4hr cheap tariff window.
That new model 3 does look very smart @bensales. Hope it goes well for you.
I read somewhere that there have been lots of little improvements along the way already. Heat pump obvs but more besides I believe.
A lot seems to go into small efficiency gains in Tesla I think. My EV experience is all tesla then I test drove the MG estate EV the other day. All things considered I thought pretty good, but the energy consumption it was reporting was a bit higher than I expected, like same as my much bigger and heavier car would report and it was nearly all pretty slow driving.
Also I really hope there's a good engineering reason the regen braking doesn't go down to zero and it's not just an effort to make it feel like an old auto. When I go back from my EV to anything else that's what I miss the most. Much better to spend all of 5 minutes getting used to that change (which is mostly positive anyway, it seems to me) than design a whole car round avoiding it.
Anyway, reason for MG test drive was for my sister who needs an estate, ideally, or similar access and storage space, and doesn't really want an SUV. Seems there isn't much out there and we'll have to try some of the SUV EVs too.
She's also a user of hand controls for disability. Hard to judge how the shift to EV and that change in how pedals work will be advantageous/disadvantageous for that but my starting assumption is a genuine "one pedal driving" mode might be lovely for her, because no arm push required for deceleration to a standstill. Trouble is, can't really fit hand controls for a quick test drive.
I've got to place an order for a new company car.
I was looking at the hybrid Leon, as I currently have the petrol version, but I'm going to end up paying about £300 a month in BIK / personal contribution for a car which will spend quite a bit of time sat on the drive, even when we eventually return to a post COVID-19 world.
The current deal with my Leon is pretty much cost neutral so that £300 a month is going to put a big dent in my bike part purchasing fund / putting food on the table budget.
VW ID.3 works out to £30 a month.
I can't see the downside. Is there one?
Was looking forward to the ID3 being a good alternative to the Tesla 3 but been a bit underwhelmed with reviews tbh. Range not that good. No supercharger equivalent. Not big storage considering it’s a dedicated ev. Looks meh. So so to drive. Performance is average. Drum brakes on rear (! Didn’t we get told 30 yrs ago disks were far better?)
When I go back from my EV to anything else that’s what I miss the most.
I've got a petrol courtesy car at the moment and I think the main thing I'm missing (especially at this time of year) is the instant heater, or even having the car nice and warm before you get in it.
I can’t see the downside. Is there one?
Not for the price. My i3s is cheaper to lease than a fiesta due to the BIK reduction so it made the decision a no brainier.