on the negative side the range is shit (this is the larger capacity battery version).
but all battery cars have shit range.
Not sure where you are in the UK, but end of November is a tough time to take delivery of your first EV. You range will be significantly down on summer already (even with the heat pump that's in a 5 as standard) so you've not experienced the better summer range performance to compare. And you've at least 4 more challenging months before you can expect it to improve.
Different car (Kia Niro with heatpump) but my like for like for a journey that was getting an economy of 3.9MKw in July is now 2.9 in the subzero of the last week.
In reality though - if you are home changing and doing modest days it won't be an issue the vast majority of the time.
on the negative side the range is shit (this is the larger capacity battery version).
but all battery cars have shit range.
I drive my ioniq in eco mode 96% of the time. The range is reduced in winter due to colder weather. I might try a week in sports mode and see what I get out of the battery in winter but I reckon it'll be 110 miles instead of a summer 210 miles in eco. 🤔🚗
I've been working out charges for a trip to the Alps based on 50% more leccy being used than in Summer. It probably won't be that bad though, the heat generated by discharging and charging improves matters over long distances and it's not as bad as getting in a frozen car and doing just a few kms.
To answer the questions:
Q: Why wouldn't you go far in it?
A: Well I would certainly go as far as it can on a charge from house, out and back. Which now it's cold is realistically about 140 miles.
The public network just isn't that great up here. And yes it is improving but as with most things these days, it's becoming rather expensive. While Chargeplace Scotland points are usually around 40p/kWh they are not the fastest, definitely not reliable, and seem to be becoming fewer. The new charging stations that are slowly being installed are typically 89p/kWh and upwards - now my math isn't the best but it seems to be costing more than double what the old Lolvo derv costs... However, if charging from home then it is significantly less.
Q: Why did your Enyaq add 2hrs to your trip?
A: The trip was 730 miles. Not only do I have to stop and charge, but I also needed to drive at 60mph to squeeze more out of it, so the journey driving time is longer as well.
Q: Surely an Enyaq will do at least 200 motorway miles before charging? I'm certainly ready for a stop after driving for three hours.
A: Yes it would do 200 miles. But to do that 200 miles takes half an hour longer at 60mph then 70mph. I'm happy to stop for a quick pee and a stretch of the legs, but having to wait on a car to charge up is tedious when on a long journey.
Q:The big Enyaq has a theoretical range of 380 miles IIRC so even real life use you should get circa 300
Rapid charging should take you from 20% to 80% in under half an hour which should add at least 180 miles of range
2 hours of stops, half an hour of rapid charging, should cover about 720 miles of range
Unless your work trip was Lands End to John o'groats, you were either driving with your foot welded to the floor, not charging correctly or there was a defect with the car?
A: I had the Enyaqs for just over a year and even in so called perfect conditions not once did it every get even close to 380. It never even got 300. And that was under normal driving conditions, town and B roads, not hammering it, not with the foot down, but leisurely pace. Whilst better range than the 5 it is absolutely not worth the considerable expense for a so called 'long range' battery. Plus is it very ugly and boring.
Rapid charging - all good and well if available, I often found the speeds were somewhat variable.
Foot most certainly not welded to the floor - had to drive at 60 on the motorways in an attempt to squeeze more out of it.
And no defect with the car, I had 2 of them in that year, both exactly the same. It's just how they are.
All in all, the cars are alright, they drive quite nicely, and I quite like them. But the batteries whilst improved over the years are still rubbish - and they will be for some time to come. Sure you can get a longer range but at what cost?... It's not worth it.
Now the old Volvo - fill it up and it goes all the way down to site and back home and I still have some left. For work I'll keep using that.
I still really like the little 5, it's good fun and I have no regrets. But make no mistake, the range is not good. But we are lucky to have the option of the old derv so we can happily live with it.
Would I get another EV when it comes around to changing it? Probably, and the batteries I'm sure will have improved a bit by then.
Would I get rid of the old Volvo? Definitely not.
I'm amazed I've managed to survive so many years driving in shit battery cars in Norway which obviously is much warmer and smaller than Scotland. Probably because my everyday drive isn't driving a horsebox to Siberia every weekend
Nice car @Zedsdead and interesting to hear your thoughts on range. I've been meaning to post my own experiences with doing long trips in an EV for a while. They are somewhat different to yours, but that just goes to show that we are all different.
I've had my EV3 for five months now and it's done 10,500 miles in that time. That's a bit up on my normal mileage, but that's mainly because my wife keeps nicking it too 😀
I can post my own thoughts on the EV3 if anybody is interested, but want to focus for now on longer trips in an EV as that seems to be the sticking point for a lot of people.
On top of the usual commuting and errands I've done lots of day trips to the mountains etc but they tend to max out at 150 miles round trip so are well within the range of the car anyway. But we've now done three longer trips (from NE Scotland).
A trip to the lakes: 300 miles each way with a few days at a campsite and a few in a B&B
A trip to North Wales: 450 miles each way to stay with friends for a few days
Moving my daughters stuff to Norwich: 530 miles each way (there one day and back the next)
None of the trips gave access to any destination chargers. So charging was all done on public ultra-rapid chargers.
So far, I've never once had to stop because of the car. I simply stop when I want to and carry on my journey when I'm ready. I do stop in different places to the ones I might stop at in an ICE car, but so far charging the EV has been a total non-issue. The latest trip back up from Norwich took me 11 hours, compared with 12 hours last time we did that trip in an ICE car.
So, why am I finding it easy when some people are finding it a nightmare?
Part of it is down to how I drive, which has changed over the years. I rarely drive more than 150 miles without stopping and usually stop for at least 20 minutes for a drink, snack, toilet break and maybe even to stretch my legs for a bit. With that regime the car is always getting more juice than it needs while I'm stopped. If I go back 20 years to when I would be comfortable driving for much longer then things might be different. I said it took 12 hours to drive back from Norwich the last time we did it in the ICE car, which is true but I have done it in just under 10 hours (many years ago now). So the younger me might be moaning about the EV adding an hour to a journey while the current me finds the EV no slower overall.
The range of my car is sufficient for my needs, but I've always said that range isn't a number, it's binary. If you have enough then the number is irrelevant, but if my car couldn't comfortably do 150 miles on 70% of the battery (or took more than 30 minutes to get back up to 80%) then the car would start to dictate what I did, which would get annoying.
I don't care about the cost of public charging. When at least 90% of my charging is done at 7p/kwh it doesn't bother me whether the cost for the other 10% is higher than it would be in a petrol car. As long as it doesn't get totally stupid then it's irrelevant compared with the thousands that I save over the rest of the year.
I stop when I want but I do let the availability of chargers (plus other facilities) determine exactly where I stop. My car will tell me what the occupancy (and power) of the chargers along my route is at any time. If it didn't there are apps that will of course. It does look as though some EV drivers haven't adapted to this yet though and maybe tend to stop where they always do.
An example of this is Annandale water on the M74. We pass this going South on all of our long trips and it is always busy, even though the chargers charge 89p/kwh. Yet just down the road at Todhills there is a bank of (open to all) Tesla chargers and a bank of Gridserve chargers that were only charging 49p/kwh last time we visited. Yet they were pretty much unused.
Similarly, on the trip back from Norwich I started at 7am (as usual) and was ready to stop for some breakfast around 9:30. My car told me that the chargers at the closest motorway service station were quite busy, but that there was a bank of almost unused Ionity chargers round the back of a Holiday Inn. The Holiday Inn restaurant was also open to guests. So, while my car was a charging, a very cheerful waitress brought me a bacon role and my own bottle of ketchup, which I enjoyed along with some quite drinkable coffee in peaceful surroundings before using some of the fanciest toilets I've been in for a long while. I left refreshed (and with sweet smelling hand), ready for the next leg but would never have thought about stopping there had it not been for the car.
For the first long trip, I spent ages looking at all the charging options along the route in advance, so I had a plan and multiple backup plans. By the time of the most recent trip I'd abandoned all that and didn't even bother fully charging the car before leaving. I'm now happy just jumping in the car, driving until I fancy a stop and then seeing what the best option for charging looks like.
The charging network certainly isn't perfect. I've never failed to get a charger to work, but I have had to fight a few 😀 It will also be interesting to see how I get on when going back South for Christmas at the same time as the rest of the country (and with lower range due to lower temperatures).
Or maybe you have a smaller bladder?I'm amazed I've managed to survive so many years driving in shit battery cars in Norway which obviously is much warmer and smaller than Scotland. Probably because my everyday drive isn't driving a horsebox to Siberia every weekend
TBH, it just sounds like whining about EVs being different to me.
@roverpig - to be fair, I just accept the range is poor. Ultimately I chose the car because it’s fun 🙂
After driving the Enyak I knew the ranges given by manufacturers were nonsense so I just discounted battery range as a criteria and chose it for an enjoyable drive.
And that’s okay, I have no regrets with the choice. And it really is quite good fun. It’s no sports car or ‘hot hatch’ but it does what it does really well.
Ultimately the job dictates what is going to be the best tool for the job and we can make it work easily by using the old Volvo.
And regards the charging network - it’s disappointingly poor where we live but I suspect this may also be to do with the council etc. However like you we can charge at home almost all of the time so it’s very cheap for what we use it for.
Electric cars - great!
Batteries - not so much but getting better with time.
Public charging - needs improvement around where we are.
It’ll be interesting to see where it’s all at in 5 years time…
Yes it would do 200 miles. But to do that 200 miles takes half an hour longer at 60mph then 70mph.
I never do that. But 700 miles for a work trip without a few stops? Is that even legal? How many stops did you make? How long was each one? On my Scotland trip each stop was half an hour, and my car is far slower charging than an Enyaq. Were you topping up to 100%?
Teh total was 730 - that's not in one go! Jings! I'd have pished and soiled myself most likely at least once!
I've been running an EV for eight and a half years now and find nothing wrong with your logic, Zedsdead. Long distances have become a lot easier with faster more numerous charge points but it's still not easy and I'll admit that sitting in a car for 40 minutes in the pouring rain in the middle of nowhere at night with no shelter still happens, and isn't much fun. 89p/kWh can't be far off double the cost of diesel when you take into account charging losses. On long runs I mainly use Tesla chargers and to hell with the Musk factor, I'd rather the money went to him than oil companies - there are lots of them, they work, they're faff free and relatively cheap.
What is good to hear is that you're enjoying the 5 even even you only use it for journeys within its range. Even if two-car families start with only one EV while the infrastructure issues put them off going fully EV it's progress.
Which now it's cold is realistically about 140 miles.
An Enyaq 85? How fast do you drive?
I think I've reached the same sort of time of life that, yeah 200 miles (nearly 3 hours at 70) is as close to the range of my bladder or desire to drive non-stop.
Acceptance, like so many other things seems to be the key. Car full of 'are we nearly there yet?' Kids and, nah... but my kids never moan about the time we take in the services, it's a job to get them back in the car.
Which now it's cold is realistically about 140 miles.
An Enyaq 85? How fast do you drive?
haha! No, the Renault 5 is doing about 140 in the cold.
Did another Leeds and back from SUssex over the weekend, and we had a bit of mare on the way up as Applegreens at Newport Pagnell not working, got some slow Gridserve while we grabbed a wee and something to eat. Decided to top up again a bit further north on a fast gridserve to get us all the way with some buffer but something just wasn't clicking on the only available gridserve so we bailed. Then as Roverpig found, we were able to get straight onto a fast charger at the Leicester/Derby holiday inn at just 60p/kw. And the loos smelt nicer than Roadchef. We've tended to plan trips on the M1 based on Gridserve, but the empty Holiday Inns mean we'll probs use those in future. Electroverse seems to have a lot of those kind of just off the motorway chargers
@roverpig - to be fair, I just accept the range is poor. Ultimately I chose the car because it’s fun 🙂
Yes, I think that whether an EV works for someone does depend so much on their personal circumstances. For some people it can work all of the time, for some it will work some of the time and for some it may not suit them at all. Each to their own.
I wanted to put on record that long journeys haven't been an issue for me so far as I know that's what puts a lot of people off even trying an EV. But it doesn't mean long journeys wouldn't be a pain for somebody else, or even me at different points in my life and I dare say I'll have a nightmare journey at some point. Mind you, I've had a few of those in ICE cars over the years too 😀
After driving EV I can't wait to get rid of the diesel because I hate the thought of all that pollution. I guess no-one else cares...
I guess no-one else cares...
I'm really impressed by the number of STWers who do care. You only have to read through the thread to see that people are slowly getting on board. Eight years ago it was a real challenge to cross France in an EV, if a charge point wasn't working it could mean a night in a campsite or hotel to charge up again with the granny charger. Now things mostly work fine and there's at least one reliable network, Tesla. One day
something just wasn't clicking on the only available gridserve so we bailed
will be no more common than a closed petrol station. I still have that "here we go again" sinking feeling when plugging in to anything but a Tesla charger.
I still have that "here we go again" sinking feeling when plugging in to anything but a Tesla charger.
The Sainsburys ones are always my go to as they're a bit cheaper and I've never had a dud one.
The ones at Sainsbury's outside Ludlow have always been great for us - 60p on Electroverse, 150kW and they work pretty well with the app. I had start it twice last time as it randomly stopped, but it worked subsequently. There are 6 at Sainsbury's and 4 Instavolts at the adjacent Costa so it's a pretty good place to stop if you are going that way.
Posted this in the budget thread but thought i'd put here too:
Consultation on how the ev stuff will work.
The TLDR is that each year you'll be asked to estimate your milage, and then they'll add that onto your VED. You then confirm if this was over / under at the next VED renewal and they refund you / bill you the difference. They use the MOT milage as a check to verify you're not under reporting (the MOT milage basically acts as a floor for what you can report). Obviously cars under 3 years don't have an MOT so they're proposing you go and have a mileage check once a year at a garage (which they'll pay garages for).
If you sell your car, the miles you've paid for stay with the car, so you'd effectively be selling it with pre-paid milage. They'll allow dealers to bundle cars with say 5k milage paid in advance. Miles abroad count.
Seems a bit under thought through, but I guess that's why they're consulting on it.
i predict a growth sector in milage correction services for high milage users ..... its always been there but now its two fold gains for them - win on resale and win on tax.
i predict a growth sector in milage correction services for high milage users ..... its always been there but now its two fold gains for them - win on resale and win on tax.
It'll barely be worth it for tax. Picked at random, these guys say prices 'start at' £150. So let's say it's typically £200 a pop.
The average car does about 6500 miles per year. If you claim you did 0 miles in a year (which of course would not be credible) you'd only save £195 in tax anyway.
Knocking 10k off would put you in the green by £100, but only if you valued your time at zero. I doubt people will bother
I guess that your link wouldn't encompass the high milage users i referred to .
I have mates in B2B sales and onsite tech support that don't think much of doing 40/50k in a year
The TLDR is that each year you'll be asked to estimate your milage, and then they'll add that onto your VED. You then confirm if this was over / under at the next VED renewal and they refund you / bill you the difference. They use the MOT milage as a check to verify you're not under reporting (the MOT milage basically acts as a floor for what you can report). Obviously cars under 3 years don't have an MOT so they're proposing you go and have a mileage check once a year at a garage (which they'll pay garages for).
sounds closely modelled on the NZ RUC - some might even say a cut and a paste.
I have mates in B2B sales and onsite tech support that don't think much of doing 40/50k in a year
You have to be compensated for your work related expenses (by law, I think) and this tax would be an expense therefore you'd get it back. We already have options in our expense tool for claiming back various types of tax (usually overseas related ones) so I expect this would be no different.
will be no more common than a closed petrol station
Petrol stations are rarely closed, although it happens, but they are out of diesel much more often.
The main issue I see here with the budget and EV tax is that the majority of the public don't read past a headline.
EV's are very much hated by the masses already (for numerous bizarre reasons) and I think this will only make matters worse.
At a point where I think the EV thing is at a stage where it could really get going with the general population this is something that will only hinder the cause. A shame because I'm certain that most who hate EV's have never driven one, and if they did they would like it I am sure...
The main issue I see here with the budget and EV tax is that the majority of the public don't read past a headline.
That’s my worry too. I don’t mind paying the tax. It’s less than I was paying with my previous petrol car (for now) and I didn’t by an EV because it was cheaper. For me it is just better; smoother, quieter, better acceleration, no fumes and never have to visit a garage. But the timing and psychology of this is terrible.
It won’t come in for three years but announcing it now gives lots of people who were skeptical anyway another reason not to buy an EV. Making you pay a lump sum also seems to raise a lot more antibodies than a pay as you go tax (like fuel duty).
Even the government’s (ok OBR’s) own numbers predict that it will result in close to half a million fewer EVs (and therefore half a million more ICE cars) on the road by the end of the decade.
Has anyone got or had experience of the Polestar 4? Reliability and actual real world range are the key things.
My company BMW i4 is coming up for renewal in May, I need more space in the rear seats for the kids so another i4 sadly isn't really an option. The new IX3 looks good albeit seriously ugly (in my opinion) but most importantly isn't on the company car list yet - whether that's because it's too new or there is a supply constraint (I hear most dealer allocations are already full) I don't know,.so it might or might not appear in time.
Hence the PS4 looks good right now. It's effectively a practical hatchback.
Has anyone got or had experience of the Polestar 4?
Only from 2 test drives. It is roomy inside front and back. Frunk is only good for a cable or pair of small sneakers. Boot is fairly-sized. There’s a removable baffle behind the rear head rests that you need to remove before, manually(!), unlatching the seats to lay them flat.
Seemed sturdy in its build and the dual motor one was OK to drive. I expect it’ll do >200 miles on an 80% charge which makes it practical. I think its reported range was 350+ miles?
expensive given its origin and features and some folks claim it is too big. Seemed a reasonable size to me. Like you describe, it is a hatchback but a bit higher than a ‘regular’ car but not CUV or SUV high. Would have gotten one but SO preferred new Model Y and even on test drives I found the Polestar software a bit complicated/glitchy. As a company car I’d go for it.
My company BMW i4 is coming up for renewal in May, I need more space in the rear seats for the kids so another i4 sadly isn't really an option
when I left my last job in the summer I had the option to buy my 2yr old i4 and very nearly did, as it was in great condition with low mileage, all done by me. Tusker were wanting 28k for it. Instead I bought a brand new pre registered Kia EV3 for a bit more, as planning on keeping for 5 yrs plus, so the 7yr warranty important.
I thought I’d miss the i4, but I really don’t. The EV4 is more comfortable, bigger and more flexible inside, can get a gravel bike inside without removing front wheel. The Kia tech is smarter and it has more toys.
it doesn’t have the explosive acceleration that the i4 had, nor the status.
Has anyone got or had experience of the Polestar 4? Reliability and actual real world range are the key things.
I've had a PS4 for 6 weeks after 4 years in an Audi e-Tron. It's a decent place to be. The Google-based tech is decent enough and I've only had a couple of glitches which were soon sorted - lost all sound and then the map showing the car in the wrong place.
There are a few horror stories on the Facebook groups, but honestly mine's been great.
Real world range - I have the long range dual motor with an advertised range of 370 miles or so. It's currently about 5 degrees outside where I am and showing 195 mile range on 72% charge (270 miles at 100%). I've seen it just over 300 miles a couple of times, but it's the wrong time of year to expect anything near the published range. The range is much better than the e-Tron (55 spec) and isn't an issue at all as it charges quickly and is actually quite conservative ie it goes further than it says it will.
Quality wise, it's not in the same league as the Audi IMHO. Some of the materials are cheaper (dashboard and seats) but it does have all the toys.
Would I recommend it? Yeah, sort of, but I'd also look very closely at a Hyundai Ioniq 5 in the AWD form.
I'm late to the party on this but just ordered my first EV (24 plate Hyundai Kona 160kW N-Line 65kWh)
I'm going to have 6 weeks or so gap between getting the car and charger being installed so will be reliant on public charging network until them. Do I need apps / accounts / cards for this or are most of them now tap and pay using debit card?
My oher question is around battery capacity. Kona says its best to charge battery to only 80%. If plugging in at home overnight, how do you stop it charging at 80%? Is this managed by a car settings or charger settings? If the latter, do I need to specify a particular charger or is this routine functionality?
For public charging, I've found the Electroverse card useful at a couple of fairly remote locations (Scotland & Cornwall) and the Gridserve app for motorway services.
Most chargers will use contactless but seem to reserve a chunk of cash and then balance the books after, whereas the apps seem to charge you for what you use, so its worth using the app for your local charger if you can. Also look for the higher speed chargers as there are some around that are the 7Kw you'l get at home. The sat nav in the car should, or apps like electroverse will definitely, tell you the capacity of chargers in the area, and which ones are available to make this easy.
The car should limit it to 80%, and some chargers are intelligent enough to do this, and then the EV electricity suppliers' apps should also let you limit it. So you should be OK not going over 80% unless you need to. The grid serve app gives me a polite message that I've hit 80% and should move the car to free the space for others when charging at the services, so its fairly standard for EV infrastructure to limit to 80%
There are two kinds of charger - AC and DC. The AC ones are 7, 11 or sometimes 22kW and most cars can only take 7 or 11 which means charging takes hours. These usually are app driven and there are hundreds of two-bit companies doing it so it's a right pain. But IMO there are not many instances where they're useful.
DC chargers are >50kW and I think they all take contactless payment as well as apps and RFID cards but beware that sometimes the sensor for their own proprietary RFID card is different to the one that takes debit/credit cards, so keep your eyes open. If you are relying on public chargers, I recommend finding the ones near your house (since you are most likely to use these) and seeing if there's a subscription available. For example Ionity (like most) are usually 80p per kWh but you can get this for 43p if you pay £10 a month. Clearly if you are only charging there you'll save a load of money. And I think it's a rolling contract so you can cancel, but don't quote me.
Don't worry too much about the 80% thing for battery health. If you have an NMC battery then it is true that being above 80% causes battery degradation but it's very slight and all you really need to do is avoid letting it sit over 80% for weeks. If you're charging at home then you might as well limit it if your mileage is low enough, but if you are relying on rapids you might want to brim it so that you can go another day without visiting the charger. The only issue is that it slows down over 80% but this may not be an issue depending on your situation. Some cars take forever to get to 100%, some it's only an extra 15 mins so it's up to you (just checked and charging speed falls off a cliff on the Kona after about 90% if this is right). The exceptions to that are a) if it's busy because other people who need to charge get really pissed off if your car is parked up trickling (but this might not be an issue if it's a local garage late in the evening with few customers) and b) if you're on a road trip it's actually quicker to stop charging at a certain point and keep driving, because more of your charging is done at a higher speed. Unless it's not busy and you are having lunch or whatever.
f plugging in at home overnight, how do you stop it charging at 80%? Is this managed by a car settings or charger settings?
Hyundai lets you set it in the car or via the app, but if you have a compatible smart charger and a suitable tariff the charger can do it. The benefit of this is that the energy company can manage how fast you charge and when, to maximise CO2 savings and minimise cost to them - this is passed on to you with a tariff saving.
I'm going to have 6 weeks or so gap between getting the car and charger being installed
3 pin granny charger could work for the short period? Unless you are covering huge miles everyday?
If plugging in at home overnight, how do you stop it charging at 80%?
Just adding to what Molgrips has said, the Bluelink app that you use for the Kona allows you to set the charge limit independently for AC (Slow chargers - typically home) and DC (Fast chargers). I have ours set to 80% for the AC and 100% for the DC. It's pretty intuitive.
Same. And yes, granny is a good option - obvious really since you are getting a charger you have a driveway. You'll get one with the car. A granny charger I mean not an actual granny.
Oh, but if you need an extension lead don't leave it coiled up otherwise it'll catch fire. 13A sockets are only rated for 10A continuously, unless you fit an EV rated one (there's a British Standard for EV charging sockets if you want one) but the Hyundai charger lets you select the current and I think it maxes out at 10A anyway.
I run my granny at 10 amp. Via a tapo 110 smart plug. No issues yet 🔥🔥⚡
The 13A 'granny charger' is actually pretty good.
I was going to have a proper charger installed but in the end decided just to stick with the 13A plug in one.
Installation was looking to be around £1400 for the basic set up. We are with Ovo for utilities and they ended up just being a pain in the arse always asking for more info. 'Can you send us a copy of your house deeds' was the last one (our house has it's own parking space joined to it), and I just couldn't be arsed with them anymore.
Figured that it's 21.7p per kWh and our car is 52kW battery, and we don't need to charge it much - once a week is enough it seems.
Even at 21.7p it's significantly cheaper than the public charging network, and it's here at the house. And I don't need a faster set up, overnight is plenty good enough for us.
To make the installation be financially sensible it will take something like 4 years before it's worth it and paid for itself with savings. By which time I'll have handed the car back and I don't know if I'll go with another electric.
If we were doing a lot more miles with it then it would be a different story of course...
I'm not sure about the Pony and the Grandeur. More Renault 4 than 5, but you have to aplaud the ambition.
So if you had 23k to buy a used electric car - what would you buy.
I know what i want .... but that doesnt make it best
looking at a facelift (24-25 plate) e-rifter GT. We are looking at replacing my 108 city car - ill assume the wife's current Peugeot partner as its worth about £1.95 so we will have a car for long trips as I'm aware of the e-rifters limitations.
Looking at covering the wife's 15k a year ferrying the kids around between nursery/swimming lessons/rainbows etc. - hence I'm keen to keep my sliding doors - realistically i have another 8 years of the kids benefiting from the sliding doors and the large boot space as we are still at pram stage.
Longest trip we are likely to use it for is 110 miles round trip.
Anyone got a recent model heatpump equipmed EMP2 platform car - how's it been?
any better thought?
If you want the sliding doors and that form factor then options are limited.
If you can consider other forms then it comes down to how much longer you're going to need boot space for a pram.
I suspect a Hyundai isn't going to work for you, but I would at least go and have a look at a couple. £23k gets you into a 24 plate Ioniq 5.
If I had 23k to spend I’d get a Genesis GV60.
If I still had little kids / prams and was doing short trips and low mileage I’d be tempted by a massive, luxurious but inefficient monster like an Audi e-tron or a Jaguar i- pace.
Probably the best option would be a Tesla Model Y but they’re just not for me.