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Has the ID.7 tourer been done yet?
Looks.... Great!
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/electric-and-hybrid/electric-cars/id7-tourer.html
However (and I didn’t realise this before) the charging curve is terrible, with a 10-80% time of 54 minutes.
the charging speed of my Ioniq seemed to significantly improve after a software update. Depending on mileage check that the ionic you look at has had the recall work done on the battery coolant system. There was an issue with the coolant crystallising and blocking the pump and pipe work. We managed to time the recall to the expensive coolant replacement service. Having this done also improved charge times, I suspect because the car could heat / cool the battery better.
Good to know, thanks.
Interesting, but that range estimate is complete and utter rubbish.
I drive a Passat estate and in theory this is the car to replace it
In practice, it's a massive (more than 50%) price increase over the Passat, and given how awful the ID4 is to drive, the absolutely garbage infotainment setup, the near unusable haptic controls and the ropey braking, I just can't see any reason for buying the ID7. They've lost me as a customer for sure.
given how awful the ID4 is to drive, the absolutely garbage infotainment setup, the near unusable haptic controls and the ropey braking
Have you driven an ID4 much? Just wondering, as I've been driving one for 3 years, including taking it on road trips over 1000 miles each way and it's definitely not conforming to that description. Yes it's an SUV, so probably not going to be comparable handling wise to a Golf but it's definitely not awful. The version 3 software was an improvement over V2 and improved range and charging curve.
If you're after an estate and an EV there still isn't much option, other than an ID.7. The MG5 has an surprisingly small boot so isn't as practical as I'd hoped. The i7 touring looks like £70k+ and I'd expect the e-tron A6 Avant to be similarly priced. Hopefully there'll be some others coming through, but SUVs seem to be more popular these days.
willrab
Have you driven an ID4 much?
Drove one for a week. Found it really crashy and uncomfortable over bumps (roads where i live are pretty crap), mainly just the weight of it I'd say, but just not nice to drive. The braking I found wildly inconsistent, sometimes it slowed you down, sometimes it didn't and you had to stamp on the brake. Turning regen all they way down helped somewhat, but really didn't like that inconsistency...and the lane assist resisting my steering is another thing I couldn't live with on rural roads, fair enough, you can turn that off. Aside from that, the steering wheel controls that either didn't work, or worked when you didn't want them were another standout - such a stupid, backward step compared to the same controls with normal buttons on the Passat. And then the infotainment screen/interface which is absolute garbage in every way. Stepping out of a Passat that's ten years older into an all new platform that's actually a step backwards - that shouldn't happen.
Fair enough if you like it, but for the price, I think it's an absolute dumpster fire of a car.
the absolutely garbage infotainment setup, the near unusable haptic controls
VW have admitted they got that very wrong so expect some major changes. I doubt that car will be released with the same setup.
Nearly got an ID5 rather than an Ioniq5. Reading some of the issues with the VW EV line up (here and elsewhere) I’m so glad I didn’t. Looks like VW need to find their way again. Hopefully the ID7 is the start of that: looks on paper like a good car (except the price!)
molgrips
VW have admitted they got that very wrong so expect some major changes. I doubt that car will be released with the same setup.
ID7 features the same awful steering wheel controls, and same awful interface. They did illuminate the buttons under the screen, the ones which were invisible at night in the ID4, but otherwise they haven't changed it much. And it is genuinely much, much worse than the generation of cars from 10 years before.
Got confirmation that the Enyaq should be with me in about 7 weeks...looking forward to it but also slightly worried I've ordered a lemon after reading all this stuff!
Off to find some waterproof seat covers for the front seats as I suspect those will be trashed quickly if I don't get them covered!
In practice, it’s a massive (more than 50%) price increase over the Passat
Not it’s not. ID7 tourer is going to be in the low £50,000s. A Passat estate of similar specification is knocking on 50 grand. ‘Similar specification’ being the important phrase, not starting price.
I wouldn't worry too much about the Enyaq, they've had some reasonably good long term reviews. They're the same MEB platform as the ID.4/5, but with slightly different software. If you're getting it in 7 weeks it should be the more efficient motor and updated infotainment system with larger screen and V4 software. The infotainment system is ok if you've got v3.X or higher, not necessarily the slickest computer interface in the work but the VW one works ok. A lot of the bad press was for V2, which was slower and clunkier and looked worse compared to cars like the Tesla.
I think there's the same two drive modes as the VW, which means D and B and no changing of regen modes. D has more coasting when you lift your foot, whereas B applies the brake when you lift off but not quite 1 pedal driving. The Skoda has a more traditional interior than the ID range, so has physical buttons from what I understand.
We are leasing an id.5. Can't adjust the regen, it works like above with 2 modes. The steering wheel buttons are fine, must hold the wheel different to everyone else. The UI is fine. I like the drive BUT I pootle about and am no car head. Lane assist is nowhere near as aggressive as some. The unlit shortcuts under the display is annoying. Other stuff about it _is_ shit: in particular the wider ecosystem away from the car, like the phone app and other online services and how well (or not) all those things work together; or the voice interface; or the cost to buy.
It's disappointing to read about these fairly fundamental user interface experiences with the VWs, on what is essentially a premium brand. You have to wonder how they got to the end user without enough testing to sort out these things 🙁 Not what we have probably come to expect from VAG..
I'm glad i opted for the i4, which i did largely on basis of the Tusker lease lead time, after cancelling a Q4 eTron order. I can honestly say there is nothing about the BMW driver experience that annoys me.., well maybe the lane assist, but as with most users I have set up the recommenced shortcut from the idrive knob or touchscreen.
iainc
It’s disappointing to read about these fairly fundamental user interface experiences with the VWs, on what is essentially a premium brand. You have to wonder how they got to the end user without enough testing to sort out these things 🙁 Not what we have probably come to expect from VAG..
They've said themselves they rushed it to market and made huge mistakes doing so. But are still selling the cars.
llama
We are leasing an id.5. Can’t adjust the regen, it works like above with 2 modes.
Changing between comfort/sport/whatever the drive modes are seems to change the braking behaviour to a more natural feel, that's what I was adjusting
Skoda seem to do an awful lot of things slightly better than VW lately. It’s almost worth paying the lower price.
Unfortunately by the time you go through to options it can sometimes come to the same as the VW equivalent. I've had Skodas and VWs in the past and don't really mind either. The Enyaq is something we've looked at as a next car as well.
The new Renault 5 looks fantastic
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https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=2065996
Good range for a small car, and a sensible 0-60 around 8s, it could be a winner.
I'm also quite excited to see what Alpine will be able to do with it.
It does look a great design. A hot version could be good, if they can keep the weight down.
I really like the look of that!!
Playing about with the new OTA performance upgrade on the school run today (LOLZ!)...
Luck would have it i was first in line at some traffic lights (on a national speed limit section), and it was the opinion of the 9 year old in the passenger seat that "daddy floor it"..
Not a bad takeoff speed up a slight incline!!
Gotta love the ease of EV driving..
DrP
The new Renault 5 looks fantastic
Looks awesome. Definitely is a big step up on the design front, but wouldn't say it's a game-changer spec-wise compared to what's already available (looks out window at small, French, funky designed, 50kW batteried , 150 bhp, ~7.5s 0-60, e208).
Sweden has a lot of new brands coming onto the market, predominantly Chinese origin. Some of them don't look too bad, but the concerning thing is the supportability and longevity of them. Sweden is harsh on vehicles.
Anyway, the latest entry is this: https://www.blocket.se/annons/1001057385
It has a central console that looks like a speedboat deck, but the name may put off some.
The new Renault 5 looks fantastic
It’d be even better with a sub 1200kg kerb weight and a 1.5 turbo/supercharged 250bhp+ engine would suit me fine, followed in a year or two with the Gordini version.
It’d be even better with a sub 1200kg kerb weight and a 1.5 turbo/supercharged 250bhp+
Those days are long gone.but the new r5 is one of the first good looking affordable evs
I agree. I think people who are nostalgic for an old fashioned hot hatch haven't really had a chance to rag an EV about the place. The way you can pick up speed in windy bits is astonishing, and you don't even need to go that fast at all to have a great dea of fun.
As I mentioned a few pages back I had the MG4 EV XPower for a couple of hours and took it on a run on very quiet Galloway roads I used to drive every day in my Mk2 Golf gti with 190bhp+, the MG was good fun and had acceleration that made me giggle but you can’t hide the weight nor the lack of driver involvement. The EV option for transport is very welcome and will be the obvious choice for many but not for all.
good looking affordable evs
Just to clarify before some smart gype comments "affordable my arse" I mean this in a "not a rimec" kind of way
EVs on the whole are still Ludacrisly nee prohibitively expensive.
you can’t hide the weight nor the lack of driver involvement.
That is a family car at the bottom of the EV market though, you can't really compare it to a classic hot hatch and apply that to all EVs.
The sodium-ion battery is here:
https://electrek.co/2023/12/27/volkswagen-backed-ev-maker-first-sodium-ion-battery-electric-car/
Can I also add a new MG4 Estate looks good:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/mg-4-spawn-estate-replace-ageing-mg-5
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What is the world coming to when your basic family general purpose estate comes in a version with 429bhp and it's not even that remarkable.
That Renault looks tremendous. More of this please!
That orange estate isn't doing anything for me .
It's almost as much of a tragedy as the zafira vxr.
Well I pick up my first electric car next week. A Cupra Born. Not sure if I am going to love it or hate it. The infotainment gets a hard time in reviews but it is a bit similar to what I have in my Ateca so I hope I find it OK. I reckon it will save me about €200/250 per month (in repayments and fuel) compared my current Ateca diesel. Getting a OHME home pro charger fitted next week too which allows me to charge for just 10cent per kw 2am-4am giving me enough of a daily top up for the majority of my daily driving. Looking forward to trying the EV experience.
Any top tips for a novice?
Is it a genuine thing? Just asking as I'm assuming the branding on the rear sill suggests it could be an imagined solution.
I thought mg5 was same age as mg4, but mg4 has had a recent styling change?
Can I also add a new MG4 Estate looks good
that's a render afaik
Any top tips for a novice?
Not really. Get in, start car, go. Plug in when you get home.
Only thing is probably don't leave it sit for days at 100%. So probably charge to 80 day to day - Ohme lets you schedule this. I have mine set to 80% every morning except 100% on Monday mornings so that the cells have a chance to balance.
matt_outandabout
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Can I also add a new MG4 Estate looks good:
It's strange, the mg4 looks superb in pics, but in person they look quite ordinary. Something about the proportions makes it look dumpy.
They're obviously selling well though, I'm seeing a lot about now. The blue colour looks better on them than in pics.
Any top tips for a novice?
don’t try and charge it like you would fuel an ICE / I.e. wait until it’s low then charge. Get ahead of the need and plan, so for short daily trips make sure you’ve charged enough go overnight to cover the days needs and then never have to charge away from home. For longer journeys plan a bit - work out how much extra charge you’ll need and figure out some convenient places to stop - again don’t wait until it’s empty. Also charge just enough to get back home (plus a comfort / safety buffer) as it’s expensive charging on the road. Look up the charging curve for your car to see where the optimal point is for a “fast” charge. For overnight trips or long stops see if you can use 7kW destination chargers as they’re often cheaper. Download zap map. S
the above all becomes second nature after a while and isn’t as arduous as it sounds. Enjoy !
“ so that the cells have a chance to balance.”
A what now? What’s this fresh new EV myth/madness. (Probably right though as you seem to be clued up.) glad mines on a lease so I don’t have to worry about this sort of bollocks!
A what now? What’s this fresh new EV myth/madness
Cell balancing, ensuring that each individual cell in the battery has the same voltage so you get the full capacity out of the cells , can only be done when the battery is at 100% charge, its all managed by the battery management system, so you dont need to do anything particular except to leave it charging until the BMS decides the battery is at 100%.
I dont think you need to do it as often as weekly either, we typically need the range of a 100% charged battery once a month so the battery only gets charged to 100% when we need it for a trip. I think an out of balance battery would only be a problem for those who very rarely let it charge to 100%, like once every few years level of rarely.