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Anyone near Southampton want a very cheap ev?
I am going to sell my Nissan leaf but thought i would give stw the first chance.
It is a 2011 mk1 so I'd fairly knackered. It had a real world range of only 30-40 miles. The cheapest i can see on autotrader.co.uk is £2,000 for one with a completely dead battery and no warranty so i reckon something around that price. Pm me if you are interested.
er… it’s kinda whistly, TBH
I thought that might be the case. I’ll stick (sorry) with the Seasucker and only have it on when I need it in that case. I only ever have one bike up there anyway.
OK sucker....
DrP 😉
Just looked at my original review video and discovered I paid £5K for it, not £3K as I thought. I also looks at a load of other adverts so the price for mine has suddenly jumped to about £3,000 🙂
Here is the review when I got iit. I t is much the same but a bit dirtier with a slightly dented passenger side rear wing.
Paid £2250k more and got a new Superb Estate with a few option and 2 free services via Drivethe Deal.
@irc you got done.
Regarding fuel, I was simply pointing out that your £25k purchase fund isn’t the end of the story as you’d likely be spending a lot more on fuel if you bought a diesel.
Pop quiz. How much diesel does 14k buy if you buy the 11k 2 year old diesel.
How many 'bars' does the battery have now WCA? Out of curiousity
How much diesel does 14k buy if you buy the 11k 2 year old diesel.
That wasn't meant to be a post about how great EVs are. It was about car depreciation, the folly of buying a new car in general regardless of drivetrain.
I'm trying to point out that buying new isn't worth it.
wbo - 24 seconds into the video you get to see the gauge at pretty much max. 2 red bars and 5 white.
2 year old diesel isn’t so far away from big bills land.
4 or 5 years?
Unless you're doing mega miles, or driving to the corner shop three times a day.
[i]2 year old diesel isn’t so far away from big bills land.
4 or 5 years?
Unless you’re doing mega miles, or driving to the corner shop three times a day.[/i]
Are people still trying to use comparative costs of ownership as arguments for or against electric cars?
I thought it had been pretty much proven that for the 1st 3 years of ownership and electric car is generally ore expensive than a diesel or petrol. The argument for electric is only environmental and experiential. The cost savings come in at around 7 years of ownership from new when the lower running costs start to take effect.
The argument for electric is only environmental and experiential
The experiental argument is the most overlooked one I think.
Why wouldn’t anyone want a practical everyday car that accelerates like a Porsche, is quieter than a Rolls Royce, has a smoother transmission than any Mercedes but is cheaper to fuel than a Mini, requires minimal servicing and has zero road tax and defrosts itself on cold mornings?
Costs and the environment be damned.
I’m absolutely sold on the EV experience and believe the few compromises that brings are vastly outweighed by the benefits.
Watch my Nissan Leaf before saying it accelerates like a Porsche or is quieter than a Rolls 🙂
That accelerates like treacle and is as noisy as a car.
The Leaf is just a step in the evolution though.
It’s the original iphone compared to my iPhone 12.
Seems a bit shit in retrospect but was a game changer at the time.
Respect the Leaf.
Absolutely right. I am sure it is an sure firte classic and as such a great time to invest in such an appreciating asset.
You can collect mine from Southampton
I don’t have the range to get to Southampton.
😉
I’ll just have to respect it from afar.
FLy down and then drive back in 30 mile stages....
I’d only need 14 stops. A week should cover it.
On a serious note. I could theoretically do the 414 mile journey to Southampton in my own car with a single 20 minute-ish charging stop. Not that much of a compromise is it ?
I have a base model Nissan Leaf from 2019, possibly the cheapest EV on the market now and certainly the crappiest tech since the design is over a decade old. It's quieter and smoother than my high end luxury diesel from 2014, almost as quick, and much more responsive.
I thought it had been pretty much proven that for the 1st 3 years of ownership and electric car is generally ore expensive than a diesel or petrol.
Perhaps from new, yes, but even finding something to compare like for like is hard. But if you have a big enough chunk of cash, or are borrowing, you generally have the choice of expensive to run or cheap to run, you just adjust the car you buy to suit. As I said earlier, for £25k, you can either buy a nice diesel that costs 15p a mile to drive or you can buy an equally nice EV that costs 2p a mile to run.
Why wouldn’t anyone want a practical everyday car that accelerates like a Porsche, is quieter than a Rolls Royce, has a smoother transmission than any Mercedes but is cheaper to fuel than a Mini, requires minimal servicing and has zero road tax and defrosts itself on cold mornings?
spot and and sums it up for me.
Are people still trying to use comparative costs of ownership as arguments for or against electric cars?
Errrrr, no. Just pointing out that at 2 years you're still several years away from big bills with a diesel, or petrol.
And i have detailed (very detailed) breakdowns of cost of ownership.
Just been told to put an order in for my next company car. Merc EQB350 AMG.
The car itself (size/shape) goes against everything i like about cars tbh but i havent got a choice in the matter. Huge saving on tax for me over the 3 year period over my current Merc C300dEV AMG.
Not sure of the range i am going to get out of it but the salesman said the quoted 300+ is more like 250 but tbh i would come across town in an EV anyhow and thats 3 miles each way so i wont be too bothered. We have another car for longer journies where we cant build in charging etc.
Time to start embracing EV's properly i suppose. Thankfully i already have a home charger fitted (When we got the grants for fitting)
I had a go in an EQB. It was a lot smaller than I thought it was going to be.
Beautifully finished interior. Lovely car.
Why wouldn’t anyone want a practical everyday car that accelerates like a Porsche, is quieter than a Rolls Royce, has a smoother transmission than any Mercedes but is cheaper to fuel than a Mini, requires minimal servicing and has zero road tax and defrosts itself on cold mornings?
I'd want one, but for large vehicles, EV just isn't there for a reasonable price yet. Our current car is a zafira tourer - 7 seater but we could get away with a 5 seater if it had the same size boot. Which is ~800l in 5 seat mode. it also cost £4500 at 5 years old (mid-pandemic). There's nothing on the market. The berlingo\spacetourer\nv200 (and siblings) EVs have a useless range, the cheapest model x is £30k (I think other options start around the same price) - the £25k buys you more diesel than you can reasonably use
Promising to hear.
the salesman said the quoted 300+ is more like 250
The thing is with range is that WTLP includes a mix of low and high speed, and much of it is still at low speed. This does give a representative view of the average consumption, but it's a bit useless for EVs because you only care about maximum range when you're on a long trip where your speed is going to be higher than most of the WTLP test cycle.
We should be given the figures for 70mph driving, they would be are more useful as one tends not to drive 300 miles in urban driving in a day - unless you don't have home charging.
How do people find Octopus' EV tariff?
The 7.5p/kwh is a great headline, but does the sneaky +2p on every other kwh not eat into that?
How do people find Octopus’ EV tariff?
It's really good, my average per kwh price for last month was 13.5p.
It doesn't take much of your usual electric to be shifted into the cheap 11.30pm to 5.30am windowto make a significant reduction in your overall per kwh price.
Just setting the dishwasher and washing machine on a delay timer so they only run in the cheap window makes a big difference.
The 7.5p/kwh is a great headline, but does the sneaky +2p on every other kwh not eat into that?
The £10/15/20/25 day/week/month that you don't spend on petrol or diesel more than covers the extra 2p KW used outside the cheap hours. 🤔
EVs lose range in very cold weather. Known. But if you’re planning a trip to Norway this year’s Norwegian EV contest might be interesting. https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-hiphi-ev-range-crown/#intcid=_wired-verso-hp-trending_8e45e708-004b-4abc-8cfa-bad64b1b824d_popular4-1
Just setting the dishwasher and washing machine on a delay timer so they only run in the cheap window makes a big difference.
agree in principle but for us, with family sleeping, just not worth the fire risk.
We are on IO and use it for all the car charging and it saves us a heap compared to previous with 2 ICE cars.
I’m on IO and always force the 7.5p window to start earlier in the evening by asking for an unachievable charging demand.
The 7.5p/kwh is a great headline, but does the sneaky +2p on every other kwh not eat into that?
No, our average price is 14.68p. And our diesel bill is zero where it would have been about £80. The money we are saving is paying for half the price of the car.
agree in principle but for us, with family sleeping, just not worth the fire risk.
There are scare stories, but I really don't think the risk is very big. When was the last time you saw a house fire? Plus, our washing machine and dishwasher are in the kitchen surrounded by not very flammable things, and are not exactly highly flammable themselves so at worst we'd get a scorched kitchen like you see in the photos. And we have smoke alarms.
There are scare stories, but I really don’t think the risk is very big. When was the last time you saw a house fire?
lovely place close to us, house about 25 yrs old, burnt to a crisp, lucky nighttime escape for the family that were all sound asleep - about 18 months ago… source traced and reported as washer/dryer.
The insurance funded replacement is much nicer mind you !
I don't dry clothes at night, just wash them.
I'm on old Tracker V1 which still has a standing daily charge at pre 2020 rate of 18.96p/day (incl VAT). I've worked out that I'd maybe save something like £20pa on Go and maybe £90pa on IO (based on av. Tracker rates of last 3 months). So, for various reasons it would suit me to pay a bit more and just consume unrestricted. Also, can't shift washer/dryer to night time. I'm mulling over going full Agile in the hope of making that work, but seems to mean really dedicating yourself to half hourly price monitoring/shifting usage and I'm not sure I'd keep it up. Also, almost certainly no going back onto old Tracker V1 if it didn't work for me.
These are my estimates, if anyone cares to pull them apart
Current Tracker V1 Tariff
daily charge 365 0.1896 £69.20
house 2000 0.1666 £333.20
car 4000 0.1666 £666.40
£1068.80
ToD Intelligent Tariff
daily charge 365 0.5396 £196.95
house 1500 0.2956 £443.40
car/house 4500 0.075 £337.50
£977.85
ToD Go Tariff
daily charge 365 0.5396 £196.95
house 1500 0.2956 £443.40
car/house 4500 0.09 £405.00
£1045.35
Standard Tariff
daily charge 365 0.5396 £196.95
house 2000 0.2779 £555.80
car 4000 0.2779 £1111.60
£1864.35
There are scare stories, but I really don’t think the risk is very big. When was the last time you saw a house fire?
Brother has been called out to two this year in this area (Galloway), one a washer/dryer and the other a tumble dryer, both on cheap nighttime time tariffs, thankfully only a lot of smoke damage and well contained so no extensive fire damage, make sure smoke alarms are linked and working.
How do people find Octopus’ EV tariff?
Intelligent Octopus is marvellous but then I do have a Tesla Powerwall.
Brother has been called out to two this year in this area (Galloway), one a washer/dryer and the other a tumble dryer
Dryers are a lot more of a fire risk, clearly, so this still isn't too bad.
Dryers are a lot more of a fire risk, clearly, so this still isn’t too bad.
I'd not be surprised if it's the same sort of mentality that leads people to bring their charcoal grill inside to cook on because it's raining...
I don’t dry clothes at night, just wash them.
I have a few friends who are firemen and they have all warned me never to use a washing machine or dish washer at night or when I'm out. This is by far the biggest cause of fire they see. Based on their advice (which I totally trust), I would suggest you rethink washing your clothes at night.
I do have smoke alarms though, I can't see myself sleeping through a dishwasher fire.
molgrips
Plus, our washing machine and dishwasher are in the kitchen surrounded by not very flammable things, and are not exactly highly flammable themselves so at worst we’d get a scorched kitchen like you see in the photos. And we have smoke alarms.
Tell me you haven't experienced a housefire, without telling me you haven't experienced a housefire 😉
I had a very minor electrical housefire, and caught it very early as the smoke alarm was right above it. Even so, the smoke was so black and thick throughout the house that I could barely navigate and breathing was uncomfortable. Plus obviously in an electrical fire the power trips so at night it's dark in the house anyway.
Tip: do not allow people in your house to leave piles of shit on the stairs, you cannot see it through the smoke
Tip 2: put a glow in the dark keychain on a set of housekeys and attach a small torch. I actually knew exactly where my keys were, yet still couldn't find them!!
I like the tips - I do always leave my keys in the exact same place for that reason but a glow in the dark bit might be good. Torches also.