I thought autopilot was meant to be much more than just cruise control and lane keep?
I thought autopilot was meant to be much more than just cruise control and lane keep?
Nope, that’s all it is in the UK. Unless you paid £3500 for “enhanced autopilot” which will change lanes on a motorway if you indicate. If you paid £7000 for “full self drive”, it will supposedly navigate on the motorway as well, but given there’s virtually no navigation needed on UK motorways, it’s a complete swizz. It really only gives something more in the US.
The Polestar “Pilot Assist” is also better at its lanes changes than normal Tesla Autopilot. In the Tesla, you indicate which turns off auto steer, you move lanes, and then you need to manually re-engage auto steering. In the Polestar you indicate, it turns off auto steer, and then once you’re back in lane, it reengages by itself. Much slicker.
Fundamentally, the best bit was in 900 miles it didn’t shit itself and panic brake whenever it was overtaking a truck. Something that happened far too much in the Tesla.
Molgrips, I think Bensales is getting mixed up between lane keep assist (LKA) and lane follow assist (LFA). Tesla's are lane follow assist and by the sounds of it so are the polestar. I've experienced both in a number of cars and LFA is a country mile better. My id3 is lane keep and it's crap, mach-e is lane follow and worked well, Tesla was good apart from the phantom braking (I only had autopilot) as Bensales says FSD is a rip off I don't know why anyone would buy it.
Oh, yes, of course. Lane keeping is the one that just keeps pulls you back in lane if you doze off, not the one that steers for you. I mean the latter for both the Polestar and the Tesla. Not sure what Polestar marketing name is.
Interesting. I could or arguably should have got a Leaf with ProPilot which is apparently good. That said I never feel like driving a long way in it.
I'd be interested to see how the leaf propilot is too .
The Acenta has adaptive cruise control, and the tekna and n-connect have full lane steering...
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I was quite surprised what you could pick up a Jaguar ipace for these days. £22kish for a 3-4y old without intergalactic milage.
Fords blue cruise is currently the only road legal hands off / eyes on ADAS that I'm aware of in the uk. And it only works on uk motorways. All others incl Tesla are currently in legal terms just glorified cruise control. I might be wrong tho, possibly the polestar / Volvo ADAS system is also hands off/eyes on road legal, I'm not certain.
Polestar, in the 2 at least, isn’t hands-off. You need to maintain pressure on the wheel just like Tesla.
QQ for the leccy vehicle experts
Need to change my wife’s car, currently a late petrol mini countryman, most days mileage is local and under 30 total, but there are two days where mileage is circa 120, with no access to chargers where she travels to.
Is there an EV or hybrid secondhand that has a range of 200-250 or more ? in a mid size SUV for a budget of £15k ?
She is adamant not leasing, or pcp.
EV - I don’t think so. Nothing at £15k with 220mile+ range and a decent size. <br /><br />
Hybrid - there are a few which might fit the bill. Mitsubishi PHEV, BMW 330e, etc.
Thanks @Daffy
anything springs to mind that could be in budget with less total range?
Are hybrids the best of both worlds, or by having an ICE and battery that it’s just unnecessarily over complicating things and I’d be better off with an ICE or EV, but not both combined in one package ?
I had a Renault Captur PHEV before going full EV and it was a superb car. Average MPG was around 115 with a mixture of driving similar to what you quote your mrs will do.
I’d be interested to see how the leaf propilot is too
“Agricultural”, when I hired one in the USA last year.
QQ for the leccy vehicle experts
Need to change my wife’s car, currently a late petrol mini countryman, most days mileage is local and under 30 total, but there are two days where mileage is circa 120, with no access to chargers where she travels to.
Is there an EV or hybrid secondhand that has a range of 200-250 or more ? in a mid size SUV for a budget of £15k ?
She is adamant not leasing, or pcp.
I have been researching as well - Hyundai Kona with the bigger battery size and made in the last couple of years (with improvements) might match rage requirements. But budget probably matches an older one, amd maybe only with the smaller battery.
Might be worthwhile holding off buying for 12 to 18 months, as then as the improved ones become older they may come in to budget.
[That is what i have decided to do as the result of my electric car research]
Our Leaf does 120 miles in winter. Even if there are no charging facilities at your wife's destination there is probably one on the route somewhere just in case.
However I would recommend an Ioniq EV 39kWh over a Leaf because whilst ours had an official 190 mile range it would actually get that, and only dropped to 170 or so in winter. We regularly did 150 mile trips in it, with at least 20 miles left over, and it was a better car overall.
EDIT I see you said SUV - this is a foolish requirement if range matters, as you can't drive as far in the same battery, but you are looking at a Hyundai Kona or Kia e-Niro which has the same gear as the Ioniq.
Agricultural
You mean like, if you passed an open gate to a field it would turn in and drive up and down in neat rows?
I'd buy a Corsa e with all the trimmings to replace the countryman. Matrix headlights and heated seats etc etc. Probably get one for £14k 🤔
Have a pal with a kona with the bigger battery and it’s not far off my i4 on range. Think she gets 240 ish in this cold weather vs mine at about 280
I’d buy a Corsa e with all the trimmings to replace the countryman. Matrix headlights and heated seats etc etc. Probably get one for £14k
Or e-208 if you want the same car in a much more interesting package 😉 They could even go e-2008 if the small SUV thing is really a requirement *shudder*.
My neighbour has an e2008, absolutely rubbish range, she’s currently getting about 120 miles max
My neighbour has an e2008, absolutely rubbish range, she’s currently getting about 120 miles max
Yep, 130 is about what I'm getting at the moment in an e-208, but an e-Corsa would be exactly the same as it's the same car underneath (well, compared to the e-2008 I guess it's going to have a slight aerodynamic advantage) . The suggestions seem to have long drifted away from the posters specification of 200+ range.
Yeah, neighbour bought it cos she liked the look of it and had no idea about range and variety available. She has a daily round trip commute of about 60 miles and works shifts so it’s on charge at home daily and she hates it …
Corsa e and E208 aren’t mid size. Kona might be, but only the older ones fit the bill.
If you stretch the budget a bit, you might start to get standard range Tesla Model 3s.
Corsa e is bigger than a VW e-up and smaller than a bigger e-car. The boot is a nice size. Can't always have everything in life!
If the budget raises to above £30000 I'll suggest some SUV e-cars 😉🤔 with a 200 mile range downhill in winter 🥶
Thanks all
no way is the budget moving north to 30k 🙂
will look at the Hyundai Kona and hybrids - but may end up deferring like @timf as it doesn’t feel like budget and requirements align at the moment. Which is ok, always good to check.
You can get a 64kWh Kona now for £15k, Niro or Soul is a bit more than that, as is the MG ZS. Even in a year, don't think there's much else coming into budget with those requirements.
I have a 70 plate big battery Kona that I will be selling next month when I receive my salary sacrifice car. It's the top spec premium se model and will be very close to your budget.
If your not too fussy about spec/mileage/service history you can easily pick one up under budget
You mean like, if you passed an open gate to a field it would turn in and drive up and down in neat rows?
No, I mean it bounced down the road like a pinball between the lines.
Although I really liked the way it accelerated if you flicked the indicator on to change lane, which the bloody Tesla won’t do.
I reckon you could get a cheap 62kWh leaf for less than £15k... 210 mile range..
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I reckon you could get a cheap 62kWh leaf for less than £15k… 210 mile range..
You could, but don't. Unless you are looking under about £11k (at time of writing) don't get a Leaf.
I like the idea of an EV and our main car is getting to the point (125k miles) where I would normally be thinking of changing in the next year or two. I do around 25k miles per year and have a driveway, so an EV ought to make financial sense at least. Maybe not given the high price of new ones, but more so if I look at the 1-2 year old ex company cars that seem to be flooding the market at the moment.
However, driving in from my snowy Aberdeenshire village for a 7am start this morning I was reminded that my preference has always been for AWD drive cars that have at least enough clearance to cope with a few inches of snow. I know there are plenty of dual-motor EVs on the market, but most seem to be more about insane acceleration than extra traction and don't have the clearance I want. There is the Subaru Soltera (Nissan whatever) but the range is woeful. I guess anything with a dual-motor (heavier) and more clearance (worse aerodynamics) is going to take a range hit. But is there anything with dual-motor, a bit of extra clearance and a range of over 250 miles that wouldn't require me to sell a kidney?
Lots of EVs have an SUV type body with that bit of extra clearance. Nissan Ariya for example -they are still pretty new so not many used bargains, but they are surprisingly cheap on lease. Very nice inside.
That said, most things will cope with a few inches.
I reckon a basic EV, like a Corsa, with CrossClimates on it would get you most places tbh.
Junior has an ICE one, with Falcon versions of the above and it gets around snowy Lanarkshire just about as well as my Q5 did with the Michelin’s.
https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/brands/falken/euroall-season-as210
Yes, 2wd with winter tyres is better than a 4wd without, on snow.
Yes, we've had the old 2WD on winter tyres beats 4WD argument for many years and I don't disagree. But I had to dig my 4WD drive car on winter tyres out of a snow drift when I got (temporarily) stuck on my way to pick up my son last night so still prefer to have both 🙂
By the way, I've used those Falkens as they are what our local tyre place recommends as an all-season tyre and can confirm that they are pretty good. At least when new. They seem to lose a lot of traction on snow before they are technically worn out, but that's probably true for most M+S tyres.
Yes, 2wd with winter tyres is better than a 4wd without, on snow.
my post wasn’t as clear as it should have been. My Q5 was on CrossClimates (till I sold it for my current i4). Junior’s FWD petrol Corsa in on Falcon all season. Their snow grip driving is pretty similar, with the light weight of the Corsa offsetting the 4WD of the Audi.
Not such a valid point on EVs given they are all heavier than their ICE equivalent tho.
i'm picking my Polestar 2 up on wed..that's the dual motor jobbie..<br />normally I jsut stick Crossclimates on all my cars - kinda struggling to find CCs for the Polestar (many garages don't even list them)... can find the right size ones, but it seems teh rear wheels on a polestar are wider...
Odd..
anyone with a polestar had CC2s fitted?
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Anyone else struggling with frozen flaps? At work three cars yesterday could not open the charge ports and today the two cars that are in cannot get charged.
They are all the push and release type. Any tips would be appreciated 🙂
Oooh...so I picked up the Polstar yesterday.. it's a 202o that had come to the end of the lease, and got from a firm in Bedford that seems to deal with ex lease cars..
All in all was in grade A condition so really happy.
After i'd logged in (yup..gotta log in a user profile!) the drive home was sublime! The criuse control/auto steer makes motorway driving SOOOO relaxing.
I see what people say about it being 'claustrophobic' - it does feel the sides and roof are a bit closer than say, the Nissan LEAF, but it's not oppressive.<br />I love the infotainment, with the centre screen and a PROPER driver dash too.
Drives beautifully, vv powerful, and all in all really pleased.<br /><br />I jsut wish dealers wouldn't clean and prep cars for sale with the horrible shiny sticky stuff they use. Yeah, it looks shiny and new, but it's just messy and I'll need to give it a PROPER clean/detail this weekend!!
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Full MemberOooh…so I picked up the Polstar yesterday
Pics or it didn't happen 😁
Also are you going to pimp it up with some rims? 😎
Totally agree on the 'prep' thing, the tossers that prepped my current car apparently let a gorilla loose with a rotary polisher and hologrammed the paint 😥
Ha!
I'm not going to say I haven't been looking at matte black rims...but think i'll leave it stock for a bit.
Maybe. Hmm....!!
Here she is!
Like I say...It needs another clean and I'll ceramic coat it (myself). Paint is good, so doesn't need any machine polisher action.
New wiper blades will be fitted, and i'll Glaco the glass as (as expected) it's been cleaned witha bar of soap, so a bit smeery and squeeky!
I ALMOST got the CC out for this bad boi that was parked opposite.....
But, you know, the yellow callipers look gauche so didn't!
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What did you pay for it, DrP? My Tesla lease is up soon and I have no intention of funding Musk's rabid descent into insanity with another.
Anyone else struggling with frozen flaps?
*s****s*. In all seriousness, whacking it with the side of your fist works well on the door handles on my Model 3, and will probably do the same. You could also try activating the climate control remotely, which de-ices the charge door on some cars.
I ALMOST got the CC out for this bad boi that was parked opposite…..
We were at our local Porsche Centre yesterday and it's amazing just how many of those there are for sale used, while finding a 3yo Boxster for MrsSB is proving pretty difficult.
This morning she mentioned maybe a 'little SH electric car for doing short trips and use in the winter" (as well and something small with no roof!!)!!
🤦♂️
