Pretty much every interview I've seen is like a Bird & Fortune skit.
I suppose Liz is like the local loon, fascinating to watch but useless for sage advice.
Sounds like something a member of the Underground Transgender Mafia would say.
https://twitter.com/PoliticoForYou/status/1840723236499137012
She is mentally ill. It is getting to the point where those who are continuing to put her on stage or give interviews knowing full well they are doing so for shits and giggles are guilty of abuse.
I really really really want to keep laughing at the idiocy, but I am also starting to feel a bit uneasy about the situation.
I’m all in for this absolute car crash of a leadership election. It all helps in the agenda of punting Conservatives to to the far back benches as the third party and a footnote of horrible history for a generation.
Who fills the vacuum?
That's the problem, Reform must be laughing their heads off at the moment, the Tories are in disarray, Labour seem to just be carrying on where the Tories left off by doing nothing for "normal working people" but in a slightly less corrupt way. Someone I know said Reform were running a stall at their local market and probably doing quite well from it because as misguided as it is they are about the only people claiming to offer something other than more of the same.
misguided as it is they are about the only people claiming to offer something other than more of the same
I'm not sure I agree, as the Greens and to a lesser extent the Libdems are offering something fundamentally different.
The only reason people are listening to Reform is because they are offering convenient scapegoats and even more importantly, offering up simple solutions to complex problems.
This is all easy to do when you are in no position to actually enact change. If Reform ever get into power the people that voted for them will be the same people that start accusing them of being just like Labour/ the Tories after a matter of months. Reform would soon find out that governing is actually pretty difficult as it happens when you have to actually enact promises made.
The Tories already tried to enact Reform policy, let's not forget. It doesn't work.
they are about the only people claiming to offer something other than more of the same
Yeah, it’s fine to say that nobody will pay tax on earnings under 20 grand when you’re just a joke party, so nobody is reading the small print about how that’s going to be paid for
When people find out it’s to be financed by privatising the entire health service and make everyone take out private medical insurance instead, they’ll probably be less keen
Farage and Co have no interest in being in power and actually enacting any of their policies anyway. Actually take responsibility and do some hard graft? No chance! Which makes the Tory’s present determination to ape them doubly stupid
Farage must be finding this whole leadership election absolutely hilarious as they all just unquestioningly parrot whatever nonsense he dreams up
Gullis ? what a weapons grade ****. There’s a joke there about the old adage of ‘Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach’.
He's actually thick enough not have sorted a retainer or non-exec directorship from a shadowy backer or two? I presume this means he was a Brexit true believer - aka a ****ing idiot. PMSL.
I’m not sure who the bigger nutter is: Badenock or Jenrick….
Badenoch. She's actually deranged enough to believe the drivel she spouts.
Jenrick was originally nicknamed 'Robert Generic' when he entered parliament as a centrist, remainer non-entity. Since the Brexit vote exposed a rich seam of bigotry, racism and xenophobia that could be tapped for personal advancement... He hasn't looked back.
There's more conviction and integrity in the reptile house at London Zoo - Jenrick is just a symptom.
Did anyone get a party membership in anticipation of this calamity? I mean, there's got to be at least some sleepers in the membership, surely?
Why bother? It’s going to be Honest Bob and Badanoch that get put to the membership, so whichever of those maniacs gets the poisoned chalice, this is the Tories ‘Corbyn Moment’
The ‘membership’ love both of them, but most voters will find both their views and their general demeanours utterly repellent
The ‘logic’ is breathtaking in its stupidity. Lose a couple of seats to Farage, soil yourself in blind panic, and go chasing after his voters.
Lose countless previously safe seats to the Lib Dems and say “well you lot can all **** off to the Lib Dems then! See if we care!”
I’m loving it! 😀
Why bother?
Fair
It’s difficult to keep track on the latest unhinged ramblings
https://Twitter.com/kevinaschofield/status/1841019518438514845?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
She is mentally ill. It is getting to the point where those who are continuing to put her on stage or give interviews knowing full well they are doing so for shits and giggles are guilty of abuse.
I really really really want to keep laughing at the idiocy, but I am also starting to feel a bit uneasy about the situation.
No she is not. She's just niched herself way too far in her pursuit of personal advancement. Now there is no going back and the seemingly unhinged bollocks has to get more extreme for her to keep getting paid by her backers.
If nothing else, she has £115k (ish) per year in perpetuity for 42 disastrous days in office.
**** her and her backers. In any case, if she ends up in a loony bin then it'll be a nice private one and not the run-down, de-funded, under-resourced, shite 'system' that an ordinary Joe would find themselves in.
and go chasing after his voters.
They have no choice. The Tories didn't loose to Labour, as so much that Labour won in Tory/Labour constituencies becasue the Tory votes was split between them and Reform. If they want to get to power again, they have to have those Reform votes back
They have no choice. The Tories didn’t loose to Labour, as so much that Labour won in Tory/Labour constituencies becasue the Tory votes was split between them and Reform. If they want to get to power again, they have to have those Reform votes back
They made themselves a hostage to their own promises really. By saying, "you don't need to vote for Reform, we'll implement all their policies so you can still vote for us!" they put themselves in the position of actually having to try to reject the mad stuff that Reform (hopefully) never have a chance to make work.
Did anyone get a party membership in anticipation of this calamity? I mean, there’s got to be at least some sleepers in the membership, surely?
I couldn't possibly comment.
I just read that honest Bob's daughter's middle name is Thatcher.
I mean , calling your cat Corbyn or Disraeli or Churchill fine.
But your daughter??
Next election is already set up...
Reform loose seats/votes
Tory gets seats/votes back possibly 250+ seats
Labour loose seats but not votes down to 250 seats
Lib Dems pickup new seats/votes possibly 100+
Hung parliament, Labour and lib dems coalition....
oldmanmtb2
Free Member
Next election is already set up…Reform loose seats/votes
Tory gets seats/votes back possibly 250+ seats
Labour loose seats but not votes down to 250 seats
Lib Dems pickup new seats/votes possibly 100+
Hung parliament, Labour and lib dems coalition….
Far from the worst outcome but not the best either.
In truth theres is just so much that can happen in the next few years I think it's impossible to predict. Traditional voting predictors have eroded, add in tactical voting and pretty much any party could win the next GE or be the power broker in a coalition deal.
Lib Dems are kicking at the heels of Tory. Might not look like traditional left/right Gov/opposition but why the hell not? If that is how people want to vote then great.
no that’s who you WANT to fill the vacuum but I’m guessing you were not a classic blue rosette wearer!
possibilities: Tories move to the right of Farage, Farage fills the vacuum, even as leader of the opposition that is a horendous thought.
with the tories moved significantly to the right Starmer becomes more right of centre and basically become a new Cameron, could the opposition then end up being left of the “Labour” government? Could a vacuum on centre right cause a party split?
This could kill the tories in Scotland again, Starmer may fail to deliver the dream and snp might work out what they are doing you could end up with a load of smaller parties on the opposition benches (to some extent we have) meaning there’s little opposition coordination and less meaningful scrutiny
or it might be the libdems moment - but unfortunately they are a rather unknown entity and I suspect 90% of the population would struggle to remember any of them except Ed Davy
I don't think the public in general cares about who the new conservative leader is. I certainly don't.
Let the party fight it out amongst themselves, they have a few years to get organised, but I doubt they will get organised enough to be a real contender in the next election.
IMHO Next conservative leaders a placeholder,all they can do is moan in pms questions and bang on on about wokery/the boats and hide when labour go for the covid fast track (to profits) there’s no daily flights in the hellicopter or trips on the fancy plane or golden wallpaper and the other freebies.
You don’t get your picture on the wall in number 10 either 🙂
I’t will be interesting to see how mad the Tory party go to out Reform, Reform.
They aren’t appealing to the younger people ,no maternity pay, free health and no minimum wage to people to people starting off in a world where two incomes struggle to buy a house is hardly a vote winner and they have a problem with the older voters shuffling of the mortal coil.
This is only the start of things Chemi Madenuff was trying to sell and this is early days.
They also have to get some fresh blood in that are on the telly/tiktok and media savvy and in the public eye and generally have some charisma.
anyonelse join the conservative party just to get a vote on leadership?
Maybe he likes rush based roofing?
Or cider.
Hung parliament, Labour and lib dems coalition….
Well here's hoping the LDs go with the right partner next time they are in that position. At the last debacle I was yelling at the telly "no you fools don't go with THEM".
anyonelse join the conservative party just to get a vote on leadership?
If I did I'd probably end up spoiling my paper so it's pointelss.
binners
Full Member
I caught some of it too. She sounded like an angry cabby shouting about all the things that they think is wrong with the world.
The thing I notice the most about her is the absolute and total self confidence/ arrogance that oozes out of every skin pore.
Id find her a little scary in opposition and absolutely horrific as PM!
relapsed_mandalorian
Full Member
I caught up on Jenricks ECHR angle this aft.
Question for everyone.
If3 it only me that has had chats with people/ family that are Brexity and want to leave the ECHR and been shocked that they don't realise or care that the ECHR also protects *our* rights too?
I find that bloody odd.
Ahh it’s mad how the whole rabbit hole of leaving the ECHR is still attempted to be going down.
frightening how this is 8 years old but still golden.
That went down well at work
I wonder if she realises who would have to enact all the mad policies she would like to bring in, if God forbid, she became PM?
Basically it's the same old divisive Tory bollocks, over and over again
dudeofdoom
Full Member
Ahh it’s mad how the whole rabbit hole of leaving the ECHR is still attempted to be going down.frightening how this is 8 years old but still golden.
That Patrick Stewart ECHR
That's very good, it's one of those occasions when humour gets the point across so well because the idea of leaving the ECHR is so bloody ludicrous.
Question for everyone.
If3 it only me that has had chats with people/ family that are Brexity and want to leave the ECHR and been shocked that they don’t realise or care that the ECHR also protects *our* rights too?
I find that bloody odd.
Even more so when I explain to curious work colleagues that the ECHR has little to no bearing on military operations.
The primary element of any targeting directive is UK Law...
...awks.
